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Hey guys,

I always look out for a nice spot for sunsets but I found myself having the interesting part of the sky with the dramatic colours always in the distance. Never close like in some good sunset pictures.

What am I doing wrong? Do I simply have the wrong location or do I need to wait for the sun to be in a particular place?

Thanks.
 
Not sure what you're referring to with distance - maybe post an example?
 
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I've seen similar pictures where the clouds above are effected alot more by the sun. Maybe its just me, but it seems that the sunset is in the distance too much.
 
I get you. You'l probably find a lot of those type shots have been PP'd a bit, but every now and then you do get sunrises/sets where the sky literally is on fire, and if you're lucky enough to be somewhere to make full use of it you will be hrd pushed to get a bad shot from it.

Have a peek at my little series in the personal challenges section - all sunsets over the same location just to show how much they vary. None of them have had artificial colours added.

This:



Was a sunrise I was very lucky to catch on my way to work. I hung around as long as I could, but it kept on getting better as the sun came up, by the time I got to work the whole sky was red, but I couldn't take it's picture! (shot at f2.8 with guesstimated focus on an Olympus E520 as I couldn't see naff all through that pathetic excuse of a viewfinder, hence the softness).

keep your eye on the sky, you tend to get around half an hours indication of whether there's going to be any nice colour or not at sunset.
 
Not every sunset is spectacular, some are better than others. It's a matter of patience, practice.. and being there on the right day. Location makes a difference as well, some locations are just better suited to sunsets. As Peter has suggested, water in the foreground reflects the colour of the sky.

About a fortnight ago I saw what I regarded as the first decent sunset of the year, but no camera available and it was quite high in the sky - it's all down to where the clouds are to catch the light.
 
On the other hand, this was at 17mm. With a telephoto lens it wouldn't have been so good.

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There are probably less than 50 decent sunsets in the UK per year. Each one is different, and each one requires a 'perfect' location. The location has to be pretty special on its own in some way to become a part of a striking picture. Naturally, it is best on the coast.
 
As you mention the interesting area of the sky is often small and a telephoto is needed.
Occasionally the conditions are just right and the whole sky lights up !
It's a case of being out there with the camera to capture it when it does happen as the window to get the best image is just a few minutes.
I have a couple of locations that are near by and easy to get to and I'll often pop out when the conditions are promising.
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Yup, there's no hard and fast rule as to which focal length is ideal for sunsets. This was 22mm

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And this was 420mm

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Edit: Actually, looking at the two shots, then going back to some other sunsets - it seems that the correct focal length depends on getting something interesting in the foreground at a reasonable size.
 
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Note: I obviously have the benefit of a nice location. Depending on where you are there may well be nothing like this. However, as others have said location does matter, so spending some time trying to find any places locally with a decent view in the right direction could be time well spent.

I find it difficult to get shots I like when the sun is clearly visible, and so before the sun has set I seem to get much better opportunities when the sun is more or less obscured by clouds. You are using a better camera than me (I am using a tiny sensor bridge camera) which may handle this situation better, and your visual tastes may differ, so I don't know how much this might be an issue for you.


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(The sky was actually pretty unpromising that day, mainly empty of clouds, with only a fairly featureless cloud bank along the horizon, but I stuck around anyway, and in came this other cloud at just the right time. Some days are definitely more promising than others as far as the clouds go, but as to what will actually turn up on any particular day - there seems to be a large element of randomness/luck, for me at least. Moral? Keep trying, be there, and ready, but don't be put off when nothing much turns up. When things do work out, it can be absolute magic.)

I have found that quite often the best (to my eye) sunset opportunities arise in the 10-20 minutes (-ish, I've not really timed it consciously) after the sun has set. Sometimes there are great colours for a few (it can be very few) minutes, for example on days when the clouds higher in the sky turn pink. This can happen when the sun has gone down beneath the horizon, or when it has gone behind a low cloud bank, as in this example.


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And sometimes what I see seems to be rather deceptive - light levels and contrast drop fast once the sun has set, and quite quickly it can look as though there is nothing worth photographing. However, even with my camera settings set at or near their minimum values, the camera quite often seems to "make more of" the post-sunset skyscape than my eyes do, in terms of both colour and contrast. And a little PP can sometimes help in this respect too (without needing to go over the top, and FWIW the more sunsets I photograph the less I seem to do to them by way of PP).

BTW, be aware that colours may go haywire for sunsets. For example, I often get yellows in the images that are not there in reality, and on the other hand there is sometimes a beautiful turquoise colour in the sky that I have rarely if ever been able to capture. I think the yellows are to do with overloading the sensor. Here too, your camera may handle this side of things better than mine.

On the subject of dull (low contrast and pallid colour) post-sunset skies - I have found it best not to leave the scene too quickly, as the sky can sometimes go through a very dull ("it's all over") period before colouring up very briefly. For example, this is how the sky looked about 10 days ago not long after the sun had dropped behind the distant clouds (and the real world light level, contrast and colours were I think significantly duller than you would think from looking at this).


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And this is what it looked like 11 minutes later.


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Also bear in mind that sometimes there are things going on in the sky on a pretty large scale, large enough that you may not capture them even with a very wide angle lens. In any case, I use a bridge camera and don't have the option of using a really wide lens, so I use panos a lot for sunsets (and non-sunset skyscapes). Depending on how the clouds are arranged, I go up to 360 degrees horizontally and up to 90 degrees (perhaps more) vertically (which means using more than one row of images). Here is an example of one of these larger-scale structures in the sky. This image covers about 270 degrees horizontally. I'm not sure about the vertical dimension, but it used three rows so it was quite tall.


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I also find it pays to keep looking all around the sky, as sometimes there are smaller things happening (also sometimes very brief) that catch my eye as the shapes and lighting change. Here is an example.


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