The Amazing Sony A1/A7/A9/APS-C & Anything else welcome Mega Thread!

[snerkler]

That Betty made a right mess of that grass lol

That's just the weather this time

 

[snerkler]

So to give an example of the corners of the 24-70mm f4 here's a shot out of my upstairs window, 24 mm f8 (not the best on here as TP softens massively). Wasn't paying attention so still had it on my wildlife setting so ISO was 1600 "facepalm"

Screenshot 2021-02-21 at 13.29.09 by TDG-77, on Flickr



And 100% crop top left corner
Screenshot 2021-02-21 at 13.29.25 by TDG-77, on Flickr

What do these colours look like to everyone? They look spot on on my Mac (colour calibrated) but on my iPad Pro and iPhone Pro there's definitely more of a green cast. I've found this is true in general and I've always gone by the Mac as it's calibrated but I know that the later iPads and iPhones are supposed to have good colour accuracy and so I'm wondering if my images always have a slight green cast?

FYI I turn the true tone off on my iPad and iPhone as this makes it look different every time you look at them.

 

[dcash29]

So aside from internal lens corrections that we know the camera will make, you've not allowed for different transmission levels (t stop rather than f stop) and colours that lenses produce.



Just ragging on you really, but as presented it's impossible to tell anything other than gross differences.

They are both the same

 

[wookie6262]

What do these colours look like to everyone? They look spot on on my Mac (colour calibrated) but on my iPad Pro and iPhone Pro there's definitely more of a green cast. I've found this is true in general and I've always gone by the Mac as it's calibrated but I know that the later iPads and iPhones are supposed to have good colour accuracy and so I'm wondering if my images always have a slight green cast?

FYI I turn the true tone off on my iPad and iPhone as this makes it look different every time you look at them.

Colours look fine to me

 

[snerkler]

Colours look fine to me

Thanks, this is an example of what I mean. On the top is the image processed to look right on my Macbook (using Color Fidelity as recommended by @dancook), and on the bottom is how I have to process it to look right on my iphone (i.e. to look the same as the top looks on Macbook). On my Macbook the bottom looks far too magenta, but on my iPhone the top looks too green

FYI the bricks in real life are more of an orangey red.



A9_00387 by TDG-77, on Flickr

A9_00387 iphone by TDG-77, on Flickr

 

[nandbytes]

With all this colours talk I wonder if people are obsessing too much or looking too much into it to the detriment of their own photography.

I don't think anyone will have looked at a half-decent photograph and gone "if only you shot with brand X the colours would be right" or "did you use Y colour profile because it looks a bit magenta".

I accept that Sony is not perfect (probably never will be) but neither are all the other brands (apparently Hasselblad and Leica have got It right but I am not spending £10K on a camera to find out). Regardless I could equally poke holes in pretty much all the RAWs I have right now from Sony, Nikon and Panasonic.

 

[snerkler]

With all this colours talk I wonder if people are obsessing too much or looking too much into it to the detriment of their own photography.

I don't think anyone will have looked at a half-decent photograph and gone "if only you shot with brand X the colours would be right" or "did you use Y colour profile because it looks a bit magenta",

TBH I don't edit images for others and so don't usually worry if what they are seeing isn't quite what I am, however I've spent a lot of time (and money if you factor in the monitor calibrator and colour profile) trying to get colours as accurate as possible and thought that I had, however they look different on different devices so am trying to get a feel of which looks right to most so that I can calibrate accordingly if necessary, therefore I am asking for advice in this situation. I hope that makes sense?

On the example above if I hold the computer up and look out of my window the top picture looks just like the colours in real life, but if I do the same with my phone the bottom image looks just how they do in real life. I'd like to know which device is accurate and which isn't.

 

[ancient_mariner]

Thanks, this is an example of what I mean. On the top is the image processed to look right on my Macbook (using Color Fidelity as recommended by @dancook), and on the bottom is how I have to process it to look right on my iphone (i.e. to look the same as the top looks on Macbook). On my Macbook the bottom looks far too magenta, but on my iPhone the top looks too green

FYI the bricks in real life are more of an orangey red.



A9_00387 by TDG-77, on Flickr

A9_00387 iphone by TDG-77, on Flickr

Both look acceptable to me, though the upper image does have a hint of green in the paving, while the lower image is warmer with more prominent reds.

 

[snerkler]

Both look acceptable to me, though the upper image does have a hint of green in the paving, while the lower image is warmer with more prominent reds.

Thanks, and that’s what I’m seeing too. The trouble is, as mentioned above, I don’t know which is closest to real life due to the differences in my screens

Maybe I’ll just have to go for somewhere in between

 

[wookie6262]

The top image looks better to me but I'm on my laptop not my main PC. The bottom one looks fine too though so it is probably getting towards the splitting hairs stage. If I had only seen the bottom one I would have thought it looked fine. Keep editing to your tastes

 

[rob-nikon]

TBH I don't edit images for others and so don't usually worry if what they are seeing isn't quite what I am, however I've spent a lot of time (and money if you factor in the monitor calibrator and colour profile) trying to get colours as accurate as possible and thought that I had, however they look different on different devices so am trying to get a feel of which looks right to most so that I can calibrate accordingly if necessary, therefore I am asking for advice in this situation. I hope that makes sense?

On the example above if I hold the computer up and look out of my window the top picture looks just like the colours in real life, but if I do the same with my phone the bottom image looks just how they do in real life. I'd like to know which device is accurate and which isn't.

If your Mac is properly calibrated it would be best to go with the Mac screen. Tablets, phones and even people computer screens won’t all be perfectly colour calibration. As long as your screen is calibrated it’s best to stick with that and not worry about what others see as it’s not within your control.

 

[snerkler]

The top image looks better to me but I'm on my laptop not my main PC. The bottom one looks fine too though so it is probably getting towards the splitting hairs stage. If I had only seen the bottom one I would have thought it looked fine. Keep editing to your tastes

Thanks. That’s what I am doing but it’s just a bit frustrating when I do that but then go to my phone or iPad and go “oh, that’s not as nice as it was”. Clearly a first world problem and not something I’ll lose sleep over, but in the boredom of lockdown I wondered if I could solve it

If your Mac is properly calibrated it would be best to go with the Mac screen. Tablets, phones and even people computer screens won’t all be perfectly colour calibration. As long as your screen is calibrated it’s best to stick with that and not worry about what others see as it’s not within your control.

Thanks. As above, it’s all for my own pleasure, I just wish I could get consistency when I go from one platform to the other.

I’ll just stick to using my MacBook as the point of reference

 

[ancient_mariner]

OK, I've had to dig a bit to find anything that's going to make a useful comparator. When I shoot at 24mm then very often the foreground running close to the camera goes beyond the plane of focus, and that's of no help at all. These were shot at f11 or f10, basically to deal with that very issue, so f8 might give a touch more sharpness in the right situation.

Original f11


Bottom right 100%. NB the shadow recovery has been pushed hard, hence the noise.


Example 2, f10 - SOOC whole image


Central crop 100%


LH bottom edge crop 100%

 

[ancient_mariner]

Thanks, and that’s what I’m seeing too. The trouble is, as mentioned above, I don’t know which is closest to real life due to the differences in my screens

Maybe I’ll just have to go for somewhere in between

Aesthetically the bottom one is more pleasing, but going in between would be pretty much ideal I'd think.

 

[snerkler]

OK, I've had to dig a bit to find anything that's going to make a useful comparator. When I shoot at 24mm then very often the foreground running close to the camera goes beyond the plane of focus, and that's of no help at all. These were shot at f11 or f10, basically to deal with that very issue, so f8 might give a touch more sharpness in the right situation.

Original f11
View attachment 309739

Bottom right 100%. NB the shadow recovery has been pushed hard, hence the noise.
View attachment 309740

Example 2, f10 - SOOC whole image
View attachment 309741

Central crop 100%
View attachment 309742

LH bottom edge crop 100%
View attachment 309743

These look pretty good in the corners on my phone, will look at them on the computer tomorrow.

Really like the first pic.

You forgot to mention which lens this is?

 

[ancient_mariner]

These look pretty good in the corners on my phone, will look at them on the computer tomorrow.

Really like the first pic.

You forgot to mention which lens this is?

Sorry 24-105 f4. Forgot exif might not make it.

 

[snerkler]

Sorry 24-105 f4. Forgot exif might not make it.

Just checked on the computer, corners look very good.

 

[snerkler]

OK so to put my colour 'issues' to bed, I've looked at a selection of the images I've faved on flickr and on the whole prefer how they look on my Mac rather than the phone so am definitely going to use my Mac as the reference

 

[nandbytes]

TBH I don't edit images for others and so don't usually worry if what they are seeing isn't quite what I am, however I've spent a lot of time (and money if you factor in the monitor calibrator and colour profile) trying to get colours as accurate as possible and thought that I had, however they look different on different devices so am trying to get a feel of which looks right to most so that I can calibrate accordingly if necessary, therefore I am asking for advice in this situation. I hope that makes sense?

On the example above if I hold the computer up and look out of my window the top picture looks just like the colours in real life, but if I do the same with my phone the bottom image looks just how they do in real life. I'd like to know which device is accurate and which isn't.

I wasn't picking on you in particular, I understand what you are trying to get at.
Just making a general observation on the forums (and not just this one either).

 

[Stephen L]

Both look acceptable to me, though the upper image does have a hint of green in the paving, while the lower image is warmer with more prominent reds.

That’s what I see on my iPad

 

[Fuji Dave]

That’s what I see on my iPad

Same for me here using my Imac, and Ipad and Iphone 12 Pro.

 

[robj20]

OK so to put my colour 'issues' to bed, I've looked at a selection of the images I've faved on flickr and on the whole prefer how they look on my Mac rather than the phone so am definitely going to use my Mac as the reference

Doesn't your phone allow for changing the colour gamut.

 

[snerkler]

That’s what I see on my iPad

Thanks, that’s definitely the difference. To my eyes the top one is more natural, while the bottom one is arguably more pleasing to the eye (although a tad too magenta for me).

 

[nandbytes]

A1 bird eyeAF

View: https://youtu.be/kwzVy75W1-0

 

[snerkler]

A1 bird eyeAF

View: https://youtu.be/kwzVy75W1-0

You’re really slow these days

 

[woof woof]

But I thought the Northfrumps proved it was crap?

 

[snerkler]

OK, I've had to dig a bit to find anything that's going to make a useful comparator. When I shoot at 24mm then very often the foreground running close to the camera goes beyond the plane of focus, and that's of no help at all. These were shot at f11 or f10, basically to deal with that very issue, so f8 might give a touch more sharpness in the right situation.

Original f11
View attachment 309739

Bottom right 100%. NB the shadow recovery has been pushed hard, hence the noise.
View attachment 309740

Example 2, f10 - SOOC whole image
View attachment 309741

Central crop 100%
View attachment 309742

LH bottom edge crop 100%
View attachment 309743

I really wish you’d not posted these, I think I’m going to have to swap my 24-70mm for the 24-105mm in the future

 

[snerkler]

But I thought the Northfrumps proved it was they are crap?

Fixed that for you

 

[nandbytes]

You’re really slow these days

did you post that too week ago?
yeah not on top of latest and greatest news I'm afraid (been rather busy), may be i should stop posting for now.

 

[snerkler]

did you post that too week ago?
yeah not on top of latest and greatest news I'm afraid (been rather busy), may be i should stop posting for now.

bobsyouruncle posted it just over a week ago

I was only pulling your leg though, if you’ve missed it I’m sure others will have too so never a problem to post twice

 

[Stephen L]

Sometimes I miss a day and am 4 or 5 pages behind!

 

[woof woof]

Just came across this... Enjoy

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwzVy75W1-0&feature=emb_logo

 

[woof woof]

did you post that too week ago?
yeah not on top of latest and greatest news I'm afraid (been rather busy), may be i should stop posting for now.

Well, there's no Jeremy Kyle these days but Loose Women might be on.

Seconds thoughts, best keep posting

 

[snerkler]

Sometimes I miss a day and am 4 or 5 pages behind!

It’s usually just waffle anyway

 

[Stephen L]

It’s usually just waffle anyway

Or birds eyes

 

[Barrysprout]

Or birds eyes

Which to be fair with a bit of practice you can nail even with manual focus.

 

[Stephen L]

Which to be fair with a bit of practice you can nail even with manual focus.

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Not sure that beard is the right colour ...

 

[nandbytes]

Not sure that beard is the right colour ...

and not enough micro-contrast.

if only he shot it with the Leica.

 

[ancient_mariner]

You certainly are!
Obviously somethings rattled your cage this today. You either see a difference or you don't.

I owe you an apology. When you posted your pair of images a second time, they appeared smaller than the first set and it *looked like* you were on a p***-take. I had not realised that they were linked to Flickr with larger images behind them, hence my reaction. The mistake was mine, and I'm sorry I misunderstood what you'd done.

 

[rob-nikon]

Which to be fair with a bit of practice you can nail even with manual focus.

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Reminds me of the time of mates dad played for our football team years ago when we had about 4 games in a week at the end of the season. My mates dad was very fit running ultra marathons etc and had a big white beard. He never took prisoners on the pitch and always surprised a few with an early crunching tackle they weren’t expecting! One game the oppositions 20 year striker wasn’t happy about being taken out by ‘Captain Birdseye’ as he called him.