The Amazing Sony A1/A7/A9/APS-C & Anything else welcome Mega Thread!

LeeRatters said:
Something must have happened while I was away on holiday..... I had just over a week free of Internet pretty much lol

He was certainly strong willed with his thoughts and opinions that's for sure. Sometimes on the offensive side too for some people. I did occasionally put him on and off or ignore from time to time :ROFLMAO: Saying that though, he did contribute some great knowledge and experience to things.
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Pretty sure it was something in hot topics which got a bit too hot too often
 
Anyway. Just to get back on to photography and as I don't think we've had a picture today...

Whitby was my last trip out and I became obsessed with the stones and tried to feature them in some pictures. I wanted the pier pretty central and wanted to include all the sticky up structures and the bridge to the little pier on the right. A7III and 24mm G. I'm going to try and use this 24mm more.

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A7cII and 40mm. Lights on the water.

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I don't know why but I think for the first time in my life I felt a bit nervous taking pictures at the unguarded edge. Maybe I'm getting a bit of sense at last.
 
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I’m not sure if some retailers know about new camera prices?

Out of interest I’ve done a quote with Ffordes and CVP for the equipment.

Ffordes offered £1750 for the A7R6, 24 1.4GM, 70-350 and Samyang 85 1.4.

CVP offered £2041.

I can only imagine they think I’m trading the older A7Riv maybe..
 
Kieran_89 said:
I’m not sure if some retailers know about new camera prices?

Out of interest I’ve done a quote with Ffordes and CVP for the equipment.

Ffordes offered £1750 for the A7R6, 24 1.4GM, 70-350 and Samyang 85 1.4.

CVP offered £2041.

I can only imagine they think I’m trading the older A7Riv maybe..
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They vary wildly depending from camera store to camera store, often related to stock levels. Camera Jungle offered me just under £700 more than anywhere else for my A1, and whilst they did knock the price down for trivial things (they said the lens mount was heavily scratched which is wasn’t, there was the odd light scratch) they still gave me just under £400 more than anywhere else.
 
snerkler said:
They vary wildly depending from camera store to camera store, often related to stock levels. Camera Jungle offered me just under £700 more than anywhere else for my A1, and whilst they did knock the price down for trivial things (they said the lens mount was heavily scratched which is wasn’t, there was the odd light scratch) they still gave me just under £400 more than anywhere else.
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Ffordes have corrected themselves now, it now says based on commission I can make between £3800-£4100 or part exchange they can offer £3500.

Camera jungle can’t quote me on the A7Rvi as it doesn’t show up in the list of cameras to sell.
 
Kieran_89 said:
Ffordes have corrected themselves now, it now says based on commission I can make between £3800-£4100 or part exchange they can offer £3500.

Camera jungle can’t quote me on the A7Rvi as it doesn’t show up in the list of cameras to sell.
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Am I right in saying Camera Jungle is part of Jessops? If so, ‘nuff said.
 
Kieran_89 said:
Ffordes have corrected themselves now, it now says based on commission I can make between £3800-£4100 or part exchange they can offer £3500.

Camera jungle can’t quote me on the A7Rvi as it doesn’t show up in the list of cameras to sell.
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MPB have like new ones for £4089 so I'd be very surprised if you'd get £4100.
 
Langcliffe is a pretty little village outside Settle. It has no shops, no pubs, and very many picturesque cottages. The majority of which are now holiday lets .... Including this, the Old Post Office. A7Cii, Viltrox 26mm.

The Old Post Office, Langcliffe by Stephen Lee, on Flickr
 
Sony loses a bit of market share...

Nikkei reports Sony has lost 3,9% of the camera market share | sonyalpharumors

Nikkei Inc. has released " Nikkei Industry Map 2027, " which includes a ranking of digital camera shipments (market share) by manufacturer in the global camera market. First let's check the data: 2025 – Camera Shipment Ranking Canon – 4.5 million units (45.7%, +2.5%) Sony – 2.42 million units...
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I was surprised to see Canon so far ahead but then I remembered they sell a lot of lower end/entry level stuff. I can't see a single Canon camera I want at the moment although I did have their DSLR's for longer than I've had Sony and I still have a little Ixus which sits unused.
 
trevorbray said:
Ok. I’ll ask. Is that lens distortion on the left.?
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I saw that. Wait for an answer from Stephen but my CS2026 has no profile for the 26mm yet but there are embedded corrections, sort of like with MFT I suppose. I've no idea how to enable them though or if they are just automatically applied. Fred Miranda has suggested some corrections to use until Adobe corrections appear.
 
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woof woof said:
Sony loses a bit of market share...

Nikkei reports Sony has lost 3,9% of the camera market share | sonyalpharumors

Nikkei Inc. has released " Nikkei Industry Map 2027, " which includes a ranking of digital camera shipments (market share) by manufacturer in the global camera market. First let's check the data: 2025 – Camera Shipment Ranking Canon – 4.5 million units (45.7%, +2.5%) Sony – 2.42 million units...
www.sonyalpharumors.com www.sonyalpharumors.com

I was surprised to see Canon so far ahead but then I remembered they sell a lot of lower end/entry level stuff. I can't see a single Canon camera I want at the moment although I did have their DSLR's for longer than I've had Sony and I still have a little Ixus which sits unused.
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Not surprising
They were simply not competitive with R5 series bodies, even now they are not
 
nandbytes said:
Not surprising
They were simply not competitive with R5 series bodies, even now they are not
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Maybe but Googling suggests it's due to more lower end sales at the mo.

Do you think the Canons R5's are better cameras or is it the price?

I think if starting again today I'd still go Sony for the smaller bodies and lenses but I still have no brand loyalty here but that could be a part of it I suppose and even today we arguably see it in some threads.
 
woof woof said:
Have you seen any embedded corrections being applied?

I remember being able to avoid them with MFT by using a different package.
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Tell the truth I've not been looking. I just concentrate on the end result, perhaps naively.
 
Stephen L said:
Tell the truth I've not been looking. I just concentrate on the end result, perhaps naively.
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I used to like embedded correction until I bought a Panasonic G100 and discovered it was the first MFT camera I'd had that didn't read them and I saw how much distortion was there with my Oly 17mm f1.8. I think it's an idea to have some sort of independent or manual corrections available so that if ways of doing it fail because a new camera doesn't read them or the software isn't available they can still be applied another way.

One way of doing it without too much effort if embedded or Adobe profiles aren't available is to scoll through the list of what can be applied and see what works best.
 
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woof woof said:
Maybe but Googling suggests it's due to more lower end sales at the mo.

Do you think the Canons R5's are better cameras or is it the price?

I think if starting again today I'd still go Sony for the smaller bodies and lenses but I still have no brand loyalty here but that could be a part of it I suppose and even today we arguably see it in some threads.
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It's the capabilities it offers for the price
The closest on Sony is still the A1 series which is £2k more
A1 series do have other benefits over R5 but most people i imagine would have the price over those extra "quality-of-life" features

I certainly prefer Sony myself for the lenses support and size benefits. But I can imagine others preferring R5 series.

Could well be more lower end sales, Sony's lower end is mostly dead at this point.
I remember once up on a time A6000 was Sony's best selling body. But if you want APS-C fuji and even canon have nicer bodies. Sony has access to some nice lenses but now 3rd APS-C lenses are available on both canon APS-C and fuji too.
 
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woof woof said:
Sony loses a bit of market share...

Nikkei reports Sony has lost 3,9% of the camera market share | sonyalpharumors

Nikkei Inc. has released " Nikkei Industry Map 2027, " which includes a ranking of digital camera shipments (market share) by manufacturer in the global camera market. First let's check the data: 2025 – Camera Shipment Ranking Canon – 4.5 million units (45.7%, +2.5%) Sony – 2.42 million units...
www.sonyalpharumors.com www.sonyalpharumors.com

I was surprised to see Canon so far ahead but then I remembered they sell a lot of lower end/entry level stuff. I can't see a single Canon camera I want at the moment although I did have their DSLR's for longer than I've had Sony and I still have a little Ixus which sits unused.
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It doesn’t surprise me one bit, the majority of the general public still think Canon are the best. It’s not based on anything, just general perception.

I can’t tell you how many of my friends and patients have asked what I shoot with, and when I say Sony it usually gets the response “oh, I thought Canon were the best”. Occasionally they say Nikon but by far and away the majority it’s Canon.

That ‘myth’ is also ‘confirmed’ by social media, including photography forums, you see it all over the place, especially when talking colours. The latter point I must be against the majority as in blind tests I’ve tended to choose Sony and Nikon.
 
snerkler said:
It doesn’t surprise me one bit, the majority of the general public still think Canon are the best. It’s not based on anything, just general perception.

I can’t tell you how many of my friends and patients have asked what I shoot with, and when I say Sony it usually gets the response “oh, I thought Canon were the best”. Occasionally they say Nikon but by far and away the majority it’s Canon.

That ‘myth’ is also ‘confirmed’ by social media, including photography forums, you see it all over the place, especially when talking colours. The latter point I must be against the majority as in blind tests I’ve tended to choose Sony and Nikon.
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This plus a lot is also brand loyalty and recognition, they have always been the largest market share and while many of us switched systems you would be surprised how many still shoot dslr’s and continue to buy them and those upgrading will stick to what they use.
While not as good as an Rf lens they also offer the best lens conversion and performance for EF lens.

While the r5 might be the best overall buy price wise there would likely be little difference once you account in lens prices, canon seem noticeably more expensive for lenses
 
pmac said:
This plus a lot is also brand loyalty and recognition, they have always been the largest market share and while many of us switched systems you would be surprised how many still shoot dslr’s and continue to buy them and those upgrading will stick to what they use.
While not as good as an Rf lens they also offer the best lens conversion and performance for EF lens.

While the r5 might be the best overall buy price wise there would likely be little difference once you account in lens prices, canon seem noticeably more expensive for lenses
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None of my lenses even exist of canon!
And even the alternatives are many times more expensive as you said. For me it's actually just cheaper to buy the A1ii instead
But not everyone is in the same situation i guess
 
snerkler said:
It doesn’t surprise me one bit, the majority of the general public still think Canon are the best. It’s not based on anything, just general perception.

I can’t tell you how many of my friends and patients have asked what I shoot with, and when I say Sony it usually gets the response “oh, I thought Canon were the best”. Occasionally they say Nikon but by far and away the majority it’s Canon.

That ‘myth’ is also ‘confirmed’ by social media, including photography forums, you see it all over the place, especially when talking colours. The latter point I must be against the majority as in blind tests I’ve tended to choose Sony and Nikon.
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It's interesting how Canon have gained and maintained their status. In the early years of SLRs and even when I got my first SLR Nikon were thought to be the leaders. I suppose Canon got the top spot when they dropped FD and went eos. In recent years I'm surprised there's brand loyalty to the older brands as photography with cameras is a bit niche now and companies like Sony, Panasonic and Samsung arguably have bigger and more recognisable names to younger people who weren't alive when FD or even eos were about and as the older crowd die off. I suppose what shops stock had an influence but many don't shop in physical shops now.

I remember the colour tests over at Luminous Landscape years ago, bias was definitely a thing and people preferred different pictures when they didn't know what camera took what picture. I also remember years ago on some forums people thought Sony should stick to making game consoles which I always found odd as they'd have been upset if Canon stuck to making printers.

I'm a bit too invested in Sony to change now and since I got the A7cII I'm not really interested in adding something like an X100 (again) as IMO the A7cII is vastly better with no significant size or weight penalty. I can see myself selling everything if some do it all came along but the X100 range isn't it for me. I suppose the nearest is the RX1, something along those lines could get me to sell just about everything I have if the specs and price were better for me.
 
woof woof said:
It's interesting how Canon have gained and maintained their status. In the early years of SLRs and even when I got my first SLR Nikon were thought to be the leaders. I suppose Canon got the top spot when they dropped FD and went eos. In recent years I'm surprised there's brand loyalty to the older brands as photography with cameras is a bit niche now and companies like Sony, Panasonic and Samsung arguably have bigger and more recognisable names to younger people who weren't alive when FD or even eos were about and as the older crowd die off. I suppose what shops stock had an influence but many don't shop in physical shops now.

I remember the colour tests over at Luminous Landscape years ago, bias was definitely a thing and people preferred different pictures when they didn't know what camera took what picture. I also remember years ago on some forums people thought Sony should stick to making game consoles which I always found odd as they'd have been upset if Canon stuck to making printers.

I'm a bit too invested in Sony to change now and since I got the A7cII I'm not really interested in adding something like an X100 (again) as IMO the A7cII is vastly better with no significant size or weight penalty. I can see myself selling everything if some do it all came along but the X100 range isn't it for me. I suppose the nearest is the RX1, something along those lines could get me to sell just about everything I have if the specs and price were better for me.
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I believe pros switches from Nikon to Canon due to the Canon’s implementation of their autofocus system in the early AF days, before that the market was dominated by Nikon.

Ever since then Canon have had the lion’s share and they’ll continue to do so. FF mirrorless disrupted things for a while but the draw to mirrorless wasn’t as strong as the autofocus differences back in the day, as a result Sony took a small portion from Canon but not enough to stop Canon having the lion’s share and securing the belief that Canon are best.

In forums like this there’s many that will consider the system and buy the brand accordingly, like Anand said Canon don’t have the lenses he wants so Canon makes no sense. However, a lot of people will just buy Canon and then buy whatever Canon have to offer.

With regards to “Sony should stick to making games consoles”, I don’t think people realise Sony cameras are an evolution of Konica Minolta.
 
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snerkler said:
I believe pros switches from Nikon to Canon due to the Canon’s implementation of their autofocus system in the early AF days, before that the market was dominated by Nikon
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Even before AF, canon were innovating with the T90. They released an AF camera - the T80 - to market just a couple of months before the Minolta 7000, which was arguably the first practical AF system in a camera (the T80 was remarkably poor) but then bounced back quickly with the EOS 650.

By comparison Nikon had nothing to compete with either, and their early AF offerings were feeble. They have always been playing catch-up with the other companies and trading on their name. Not that they made bad cameras, but they were always trailing, never leading except possibly with high resolution bodies like the D800/810.
 
snerkler said:
With regards to “Sony should stick to making games consoles”, I don’t think people realise Sony cameras are an evolution of Konica Minolta.
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The saying I used to hear was that Canon to stick to making photocopiers! lol
 
nandbytes said:
It's the capabilities it offers for the price
The closest on Sony is still the A1 series which is £2k more
A1 series do have other benefits over R5 but most people i imagine would have the price over those extra "quality-of-life" features

I certainly prefer Sony myself for the lenses support and size benefits. But I can imagine others preferring R5 series.

Could well be more lower end sales, Sony's lower end is mostly dead at this point.
I remember once up on a time A6000 was Sony's best selling body. But if you want APS-C fuji and even canon have nicer bodies. Sony has access to some nice lenses but now 3rd APS-C lenses are available on both canon APS-C and fuji too.
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I never really looked all that closely at the R5, but it does seem like a lot for the money.

Even the Mk2 seems to be well priced when looking at Sony stuff. Would the Nikon Z8 by somewhat comparable?
 
gman said:
I never really looked all that closely at the R5, but it does seem like a lot for the money.

Even the Mk2 seems to be well priced when looking at Sony stuff. Would the Nikon Z8 by somewhat comparable?
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The R5 II and Z8 are two of the best bang for buck modern cameras available imo.
 
gman said:
I never really looked all that closely at the R5, but it does seem like a lot for the money.

Even the Mk2 seems to be well priced when looking at Sony stuff. Would the Nikon Z8 by somewhat comparable?
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Nikon Z8 is kinda comparable, well some people think it is and some like me don't...
Z8 EVF is fair bit lower res, their pre-capture is jpg only, unnecessarily massive body, 5 stops IBIS vs. 8 stops etc

So not really something I'd consider buying instead of the R5ii or A1ii or even the original A1 for that matter.
 
woof woof said:
I fixed Canon copiers for a few months, I wasn't impressed.
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We had one once but the paper kept jamming. Ended up having to get a cassette heater unit to solve it. Never had to do that with Xerox, although it had its own issues. Kyocera have been epic.
 
I've got a Canon Pixma Pro, and whilst the prints are stunning the inks are a PITA and dry up ridiculously quickly, I'd only recommend a printer like this if you are printing several times/week and not several times/year ;)
 
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