The Amazing Sony A1/A7/A9/APS-C & Anything else welcome Mega Thread!

nandbytes said:
I swapped my 200-600mm for the Sigma 500mm. Haven't use it a huge lot but definitely a lot nicer to carry around and use in general. The 500mm is also a fair bit sharper especially noticeable on the A7RV.
I needed larger bags for the 200-600mm, the 500mm actually even fits in the PD sling 10l even if it's a tight fit.
Don't think I'd go back to 200-600mm or a lens that size but still interested in the 300GM if I can eventually find one at a good price.
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Still £4500 grey so I think it’s going to be quite some time before it’s a “good price” :oops: :$
 
snerkler said:
Still £4500 grey so I think it’s going to be quite some time before it’s a “good price” :oops: :$
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they were actually £4200-4300-ish grey few months back. not sure why they have gone up in value again.

a "good" condition one in MPB at £4179, I can get 5% off with student discount which brings it to just under £4K which is pretty temping.
Still slightly over budget at the moment (recovering from remortgaging!)
 
I'm extremely close to pulling the trigger on a A7CR II with the Tamron 17-28 and 28-200 lenses (28-200 as my primary do anything lens). Before I commit - any gotchas I should know about other than handling (I'm coming from the Panasonic G9 with the PanLeica 12-60 as my primary lens so I know the body will be smaller and slightly less ergonomic, but the overall weight of the package will be about the same.)
 
CR or CII?

Anyways, had my CII since May, and not discovered any gotchas or anything unexpected.

Actually one thing, I ended up getting a baseplate that gives me an Arca Swiss mount and slight extension to the grip - helps with larger lenses. The 28-200 would be big enough to make me want it on (I have the newer plate, modded with a dremel to fit my QR tripod head that takes peak design style short Arca plates). When I’m travelling compact or say running with the 35/2.8 on I take it off to get the camera in a jacket pocket more easily.
 
BennyBoo said:
After a long gap in taking photos, I beleive im gradually coming back..

Long standing Canon user, I purchased a Sony A7C ii a few months ago and slowly building up some lenses.

Here's one taken on a Sigma 20mm F1.4, purchased on this site.

Hopefully i'll keep this setup for a little longer and continue with the Sony..

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i've had my A7Cii since July, when I migrated after using Fuji since 2016. Love the camera more each time I go out with it!
 
Shugpug said:
I'm extremely close to pulling the trigger on a A7CR II with the Tamron 17-28 and 28-200 lenses (28-200 as my primary do anything lens). Before I commit - any gotchas I should know about other than handling (I'm coming from the Panasonic G9 with the PanLeica 12-60 as my primary lens so I know the body will be smaller and slightly less ergonomic, but the overall weight of the package will be about the same.)
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The VF's not easy to see through if you're a left eye shooter.
 
Shugpug said:
I'm extremely close to pulling the trigger on a A7CR II with the Tamron 17-28 and 28-200 lenses (28-200 as my primary do anything lens). Before I commit - any gotchas I should know about other than handling (I'm coming from the Panasonic G9 with the PanLeica 12-60 as my primary lens so I know the body will be smaller and slightly less ergonomic, but the overall weight of the package will be about the same.)
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With those lenses I would skip the A7CR and get the A7R5 or the A1 if you want a hi-res body. A7C series is best suited to small prime lenses in my opinion. Ergonomics even with normal size primes isn’t great.
 
Shugpug said:
Before I commit - any gotchas
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1/4000 max shutter speed, single control wheel and a viewfinder that doesn't work for dominant left eye users. Those are all the key weaknesses. With those zooms the max shutter speed won't matter, and if you use an automated mode much of the time then neither will the control wheel.
 
Just a heads up guys, I’ll be putting an ad in the classifieds tomorrow, selling my OG a9, 70-200mm f4 Mkii, 200-600mm, 90mm macro and 1.4 t/c.
 
the_accidental said:
You get two wheels on the Cii or CR, and to clarify that max is on the mechanical shutter not the electronic but you do need to manually switch to it.
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Electronic shutter is only good for static subjects.
 
snerkler said:
Electronic shutter is only good for static subjects.
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Err I disagree there.

I don’t think I have ever even used the mech shutter on my A7CII and I mostly use it for photos of the dogs and cars and both move at a fair aul pace.
 
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f/2.8 said:
Err I disagree there.

I don’t think I have ever even used the mech shutter on my A7CII and I mostly use it for photos of the dogs and cars and both move at a fair aul pace.
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Pretty surprised you’ve not had some sort of distortion, there’s only been the A9’s and A1 that I’ve been happy to use with electronic shutter.

The A7c II’s readout speed is 1/15s so distortion is going to be apparent with anything moving even slightly fast.
 
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Pretty surprised you’ve not had some sort of distortion, there’s only been the A9’s and A1 that I’ve been happy to use with electronic shutter.
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Hardly ever happens when I have used the electronic shutter on my other non A9 bodies, although for some reason the A7IV’s are particularly bad.. Genuinely can’t think of one frame where I have seen it on the A7CII as yet.

To be fair though I haven’t tried shooting any helicopters. :D
 
f/2.8 said:
Hardly ever happens when I have used the electronic shutter on my other non A9 bodies, although for some reason the A7IV’s are particularly bad.. Genuinely can’t think of one frame where I have seen it on the A7CII as yet.
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I used to even see it with my EM1 mark II which has a readout of 1/60. If you burst shot and flicked from one frame to the next you could see the subject ‘wobble’, although in isolation it wasn’t enough to render a shot unusable most of the time, the subject might just look fatter than it should be :lol:
 
snerkler said:
I used to even see it with my EM1 mark II which has a readout of 1/60. If you burst shot and flicked from one frame to the next you could see the subject ‘wobble’, although in isolation it wasn’t enough to render a shot unusable most of the time, the subject might just look fatter than it should be :LOL:
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Not a set up for photos of the wife running around then :D
 
the_accidental said:
CR or CII?
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Oops - brain fart... CR. Ergonomics and baseplate noted - you get a grip extension with the CR, but I've got my eye on the smallrig baseplate. Which one is it you use?
snerkler said:
The VF's not easy to see through if you're a left eye shooter.
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Right eyed here so all good but ty.
f/2.8 said:
With those lenses I would skip the A7CR and get the A7R5 or the A1 if you want a hi-res body. A7C series is best suited to small prime lenses in my opinion. Ergonomics even with normal size primes isn’t great.
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In due course I'm aiming to expand to small primes too but looking at the ultra zoom whilst the kids are small and impatient... My hands are by no means massive and are still piano dexterous - I've had a play with both C and Sony's "full size" bodies and am content that I can get on with the C size.
ancient_mariner said:
1/4000 max shutter speed, single control wheel and a viewfinder that doesn't work for dominant left eye users. Those are all the key weaknesses. With those zooms the max shutter speed won't matter, and if you use an automated mode much of the time then neither will the control wheel.
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the_accidental said:
You get two wheels on the Cii or CR, and to clarify that max is on the mechanical shutter not the electronic but you do need to manually switch to it.
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As I understand it the 1/4000 is for ECFS mechanical? I may revert to the same trick I use on my film cameras with HP5 on s bright day - variable ND filter!
snerkler said:
Electronic shutter is only good for static subjects.
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f/2.8 said:
Err I disagree there.

I don’t think I have ever even used the mech shutter on my A7CII and I mostly use it for photos of the dogs and cars and both move at a fair aul pace.
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Definitely good to know! My kids are not known for staying still... Was that with full electronic or ECFS?

Thanks all!
 
As I understand it the 1/4000 is for ECFS mechanical?
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Yes.

looking at the ultra zoom whilst the kids are small and impatient..
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I have those too - the impatient small kid and an ultra zoom! Samyang 35-150 in my case. Way bigger than the lenses you’re talking about but the handling is fine for me (I’m big though, 6’4”, my wife doesn’t like using that lens much).

I’ve not had motion blur problems from the e-shutter with small child sort of speeds, but I do mostly shoot mechanical. Though not entirely.

I have the Neewer plate than also comes in an L - though I just have the baseplate. My choice was driven by the one with the best shape to dremel to fit a the quick release head for PD style clips though.
 
Shugpug said:
In due course I'm aiming to expand to small primes too but looking at the ultra zoom whilst the kids are small and impatient... My hands are by no means massive and are still piano dexterous - I've had a play with both C and Sony's "full size" bodies and am content that I can get on with the C size.
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Shugpug said:
As I understand it the 1/4000 is for ECFS mechanical? I may revert to the same trick I use on my film cameras with HP5 on s bright day - variable ND filter!
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Shugpug said:
Definitely good to know! My kids are not known for staying still... Was that with full electronic or ECFS?
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Depends on what you are used to I guess I find the ergonomics of the A7CII make me avoid using anything but the smallest prime lenses with it. I don't even use my 24 and 35 G.M's with it because it feels so awkward to use. For my A7CII set up I have the Samyang 18mm f/2.8, Viltrox 20MM f/2.8, Sigma 35mm f/2, Samyang 45mm f/1.8 and the Samyang 75mm f/1.8. If I need to use a lens bigger than those I much prefer using my other bodies.

Unlikely you will be needing any faster than 1/4000 with those zoom lenses anyway.

I only ever use the electronic shutter with my A7CII, to be fair though I have never used it indoors were I would definitely be using the mech shutter or another body due to banding.
 
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snerkler said:
New car day :banana: (company car)


A1_06869-Edit by Toby Gunnee, on Flickr

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Best of luck with the new battery mate.

Everyone has their own tastes and preferences, For me this would be the worst of the worst.

It’s an SUV :hungover:
It’s a battery on wheels :hungover:
It’s an auto :hungover:
For me it’s quite fugly :hungover:

As long as you like it though that’s all that matters.
 
f/2.8 said:
Best of luck with the new battery mate.

Everyone has their own tastes and preferences, For me this would be the worst of the worst.

It’s an SUV :hungover:
It’s a battery on wheels :hungover:
It’s an auto :hungover:
For me it’s quite fugly :hungover:

As long as you like it though that’s all that matters.
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Thanks, very nice of you to say ;)
 
I had a lift in an electric beemer saloon recently. It was really quite pleasant, and so different from a Tesla which feels like it's made from airfix kit parts.
 
ancient_mariner said:
I had a lift in an electric beemer saloon recently. It was really quite pleasant, and so different from a Tesla which feels like it's made from airfix kit parts.
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I've never wanted to go electric but with the current tax perks it makes sense as it's saving both myself and the business money. I have to say though it's a lovely car, rides very well and of course is full of all the latest tech, it's definitely a step up from my X5. You can easily foget you're driving a battery powered car, until of course you plant your foot :eek: The stats are crazy, 0-60 in 3.2s in something that weighs 2.5 tonnes. The 1015Nm torque will have something to do with that ;)
 
f/2.8 said:
To be honest I don’t. :oops: :$

It’s not my vehicle though. Each to their own and all that.
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I appreciate we all have different tastes, I'm just interested why you choose to pass comment if there's nothing positive to say?

I'm thick skinned so it doesn't bother me, I'm happy with my choice and have my reasons for it. Of course, I'd have preferred a RRS SVR but it's not a finacially viable option ;) But the iX is a lovely car, it's certainly a lot more of a drivers car than other EV's I've driven, and I would go so far as to say it's a fun drive. The power is certainly addictive, I've never driven anything with power delivery like this.

My point is though, what if I wasn't thick skinned? What if this was my pride and joy, what if it was something that I'd been saving a long time to be able to afford etc etc? I could have quite easily been upset by your comments and well and truly had my bubble burst.
 
snerkler said:
I appreciate we all have different tastes, I'm just interested why you choose to pass comment if there's nothing positive to say?

I'm thick skinned so it doesn't bother me, I'm happy with my choice and have my reasons for it. Of course, I'd have preferred a RRS SVR but it's not a finacially viable option ;) But the iX is a lovely car, it's certainly a lot more of a drivers car than other EV's I've driven, and I would go so far as to say it's a fun drive. The power is certainly addictive, I've never driven anything with power delivery like this.

My point is though, what if I wasn't thick skinned? What if this was my pride and joy, what if it was something that I'd been saving a long time to be able to afford etc etc? I could have quite easily been upset by your comments and well and truly had my bubble burst.
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I was just breaking your balls. I didn’t expect you to get but hurt.

Honestly can’t see how anyone would describe an E.V as their pride and joy it’s not a car it’s an electric vehicle, completely soulless regardless of 0-60 times.

Each to their own like I said, I have a pet hate of E.V’s as the whole idea of them is basically destroying my hobby. They are all the same to me just a battery on wheels.

Am sure it has nice tech they all do but it doesn’t look anywhere as good as an X5. The rear end for an E.V isn’t too bad but the front end and the wheels are definitely not to my taste. Just my opinion though. If you didn’t want anyone to express a genuine opinion on it maybe you should not have posted it. This is an Internet forum not Facebook.
 
f/2.8 said:
I was just breaking your balls. I didn’t expect you to get but hurt.

Honestly can’t see how anyone would describe an E.V as their pride and joy it’s not a car it’s an electric vehicle, completely soulless regardless of 0-60 times.

Each to their own like I said, I have a pet hate of E.V’s as the whole idea of them is basically destroying my hobby. They are all the same to me just a battery on wheels.

Am sure it has nice tech they all do but it doesn’t look anywhere as good as an X5. The rear end for an E.V isn’t too bad but the front end and the wheels are definitely not to my taste. Just my opinion though. If you didn’t want anyone to express a genuine opinion on it maybe you should not have posted it. This is an Internet forum not Facebook.
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I’ve felt the same way about EV’s tbh, I’m a petrolhead at heart and the idea has always left me cold. It’s like when we went to Goodwood FOS the other year, we heard all the wonderful V8’s, V12’s, boxer engines etc etc and then you get an electric ‘whoosh’ go past, they just don’t stir any emotion.

All that being said, since deciding to take the plunge (for reasons mentioned above) and having driven a variety of EV’s now I can assure you they’re definitely not all the same, and some are much better than I’d previously thought. In typical BMW fashion it’s a better drivers car than the Audi SQ6 and Merc EQE imo.

Admittedly though my days of ‘drivers’ cars are long gone. Age, the state of the roads and the amount of cars on the road has pretty much wiped out the chance of driving for pleasure so it’s been more about practicality and luxury for some time now. I’ve got my motorbike of if I want fun, and I can look back very fondly and gratefully at the cars I’ve had in the past.

I wasn’t a fan of the iX styling to say the least when I first saw it, but like most Beemers the styling’s grown on me. The wheels are my favourite part, really like those (photos don't do them justice). I actually think it’s starting to make the X5 look a tad dated now, although I still love the X5, and I still think it’s prettier than the iX.

In terms of critique, there are areas on this forum for that :p
 
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snerkler said:
I’ve felt the same way about EV’s tbh, I’m a petrolhead at heart and the idea has always left me cold. It’s like when we went to Goodwood FOS the other year, we heard all the wonderful V8’s, V12’s, boxer engines etc etc and then you get an electric ‘whoosh’ go past, they just don’t stir any emotion.

All that being said, since deciding to take the plunge (for reasons mentioned above) and having driven a variety of EV’s now I can assure you they’re definitely not all the same, and some are much better than I’d previously thought. In typical BMW fashion it’s a better drivers car than the Audi SQ6 and Merc EQE imo.

Admittedly though my days of ‘drivers’ cars are long gone. Age, the state of the roads and the amount of cars on the road has pretty much wiped out the chance of driving for pleasure so it’s been more about practicality and luxury for some time now. I’ve got my motorbike of if I want fun, and I can look back very fondly and gratefully at the cars I’ve had in the past.

I wasn’t a fan of the iX styling to say the least when I first saw it, but like most Beemers the styling’s grown on me. I actually think it’s starting to make the X5 look a tad dated now, although I still love the X5, and I still think it’s prettier than the iX.

In terms of critique, there are areas on this forum for that :p
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My wee brothers mate has a Tesla Model S Plaid not 100% sure if he is right or not but he said it’s the fastest E.V you can buy. I have drove it twice and while it is insanely quick it wouldn’t replace a car for me.

I am still holding out hope that Hydrogen and Ethanol will become more of a thing and replace the battery powered vehicles and hopefully feel and sound more like a car.
 
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My wee brothers mate has a Tesla Model S Plaid not 100% sure if he is right or not but he said it’s the fastest E.V you can buy. I have drove it twice and while it is insanely quick it wouldn’t replace a car for me.

I am still holding out hope that Hydrogen and Ethanol will become more of a thing and replace the battery powered vehicles and hopefully feel and sound more like a car.
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Yeah they're insanely fast, 0-60 in around 2s I believe. Teslas don't do it for me, quick and the SUV's are pretty practical but they're certainly not drivers cars and the interior quality doesn't reflect the price. I'm also not a fan of such heavy reliance on the touchscreen to control everything. I'm not sure how modern cars (not just EVs) are getting away with this in all honesty, I think they're pretty dangerous as you have to take your eyes off the road.

I don't understand why there's not been a bigger push for synthetic fuel, at face value it seems the obvious choice. I know it's pricey at the moment, but the more people that get on board then surely the cheaper it will become. This way we're not depleting an energy source, I believe it's carbon neutral, and the infrastructure's in place already so there's no increase in carbon footprint to put an infrastructure in place.

I'm yet to see a study that shows that EVs are better for the environment. Sure local polution is better, but globally I've not seen evidence that they're greener. Most of the electricity certainly isn't green, and as mentioned the carbon footprint to put an infrastructure in place must be pretty large. It also sounds like the national grid will not be able to cope with the number of EVs forecast for the future. I'm not convinced EVs are the long term solution.

The wheels, look great in real life (IMO)

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Yeah they're insanely fast, 0-60 in around 2s I believe. Teslas don't do it for me, quick and the SUV's are pretty practical but they're certainly not drivers cars and the interior quality doesn't reflect the price. I'm also not a fan of such heavy reliance on the touchscreen to control everything. I'm not sure how modern cars (not just EVs) are getting away with this in all honesty, I think they're pretty dangerous as you have to take your eyes off the road.

I don't understand why there's not been a bigger push for synthetic fuel, at face value it seems the obvious choice. I know it's pricey at the moment, but the more people that get on board then surely the cheaper it will become. This way we're not depleting an energy source, I believe it's carbon neutral, and the infrastructure's in place already so there's no increase in carbon footprint to put an infrastructure in place.

I'm yet to see a study that shows that EVs are better for the environment. Sure local polution is better, but globally I've not seen evidence that they're greener. Most of the electricity certainly isn't green, and as mentioned the carbon footprint to put an infrastructure in place must be pretty large. It also sounds like the national grid will not be able to cope with the number of EVs forecast for the future. I'm not convinced EVs are the long term solution.

The wheels, look great in real life (IMO)

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To be fair the wheels aren't just as bad looking close up but they aren't as nice as pretty much every set of wheels you would find on a BMW car. Have yet to see an E.V with a nice set of wheels.

I am not usually someone who falls into the trap of believing in lunatic conspiracy theories but when it comes to E.V's for me it's very obvious that the E.V agenda has nothing at all to do with the environment. From everything I have read there is a strong argument for for saying that E.V production and use will have a more damaging impact on the environment than cars.

At the risk of sounding like a conspiracy nut I personally believe that the whole E.V agenda has been pushed by the Chinese government. There is not a significant sized political party in Europe that has not received a huge amount of funding from companies owned by the Chinese government over the last 10-15 years, While there are some that believe that is because the Chinese can remote control the car remotely, making them extremely useful in event of a war which is true, I think it comes more down to money. Pretty much every single traditional car manufacturer are in massive financial trouble as they can't compete with China's E.V's. It is very likely that over the next few years a lot of traditional car manufacturers will shut up shop for good. Even right now the VAG Group, Ford, Honda and BMW just to name a few are in massive trouble and nobody seems to be that concerned. about the jobs and skills that will be lost. For the Chinese not only does this allow them to completely dominate the car industry, it has huge financial implications for Europe and the rest of the world.

I also think that governments around the world have other reasons for pushing an E.V agenda than the environment. E.V's do not have the lifespan of a car, that mean's that eventually it takes a lot of older car's of the road. The guy who has a car worth a couple of grand won't be able to have a car any more and there is reasons for doing that. In the U.K alone with population growth and immigration being so high we are already massively struggling with road infrastructure. On the news today there was a few stories running about the housing crisis, they expect over 5 million immigrants to arrive into the U.K over the next 5 years and they expect 1.5 million new homes to be built over the same period, there already isn't enough houses for the people who are here now add population growth to that and it is a mess. The same thing applies to the roads as well, for the government the less people that have access to their own vehicle the better.

Most people don't realise how little money a lot of people have. I am in the lucky position that I could nip down to my local car dealership and pay for a decent new car outright or get something high end on a lease etc. It was really brought home to me recently though how people even locally to me are struggling for basic necessities. My wife works part time for a housing association, a couple of weeks ago one of her tenants asked could she give her a lift as her friend couldn't and her wee Micra was off the road as it needs a new starter. It turned out she needed a lift to the local food bank, she hadn't had anything to eat for 3 days, she hasn't been able to afford gas to heat her home since November. The next day another tenant approached her having spoke to the first one, asked her for the same lift to the foodbank, she has 3 kids and to make sure her kids got fed she had basically been starving herself to the point she had become ill. Both of these ladies work, but in low paid jobs. People in that situation will never have the option to buy an E.V. Even if they could, they could never afford the cost of a replacement battery when it dies. My wife tells me that a lot of her tenants are in a similar situation.

While E.V's are only a small part of the overall problem they don't help. The government wants to make having your own vehicle unavailable to many people which will lead to more people being unable to work and making the current situation even worse. In N.I anyway public transport is atrocious and has been for decades, if you don't have your own form of transport, it would be extremely difficult to work or even do simple things like get to the doctors or the nearest shop.

I have strong feelings about E.V's affecting cars which is my hobby, but I also have strong moral concerns about how E.V's will impact on the country long term. Even just for myself if an E.V was the only option available I could have one, my wife could probably have one, but last year my daughter passed her test and we were able to buy her a small cheap car, we probably couldn't have afforded to get her an E.V especially if we both had one. My daughter has to have her own vehicle to be able to get to her part time job and next year she will need it to get to university. With no suitable public transport available if she doesn't have her own car she can't work even part time and she wouldn't be able to go to university.
 
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To be fair the wheels aren't just as bad looking close up but they aren't as nice as pretty much every set of wheels you would find on a BMW car. Have yet to see an E.V with a nice set of wheels.

I am not usually someone who falls into the trap of believing in lunatic conspiracy theories but when it comes to E.V's for me it's very obvious that the E.V agenda has nothing at all to do with the environment. From everything I have read there is a strong argument for for saying that E.V production and use will have a more damaging impact on the environment than cars.

At the risk of sounding like a conspiracy nut I personally believe that the whole E.V agenda has been pushed by the Chinese government. There is not a significant sized political party in Europe that has not received a huge amount of funding from companies owned by the Chinese government over the last 10-15 years, While there are some that believe that is because the Chinese can remote control the car remotely, making them extremely useful in event of a war which is true, I think it comes more down to money. Pretty much every single traditional car manufacturer are in massive financial trouble as they can't compete with China's E.V's. It is very likely that over the next few years a lot of traditional car manufacturers will shut up shop for good. Even right now the VAG Group, Ford, Honda and BMW just to name a few are in massive trouble and nobody seems to be that concerned. about the jobs and skills that will be lost. For the Chinese not only does this allow them to completely dominate the car industry, it has huge financial implications for Europe and the rest of the world.

I also think that governments around the world have other reasons for pushing an E.V agenda than the environment. E.V's do not have the lifespan of a car, that mean's that eventually it takes a lot of older car's of the road. The guy who has a car worth a couple of grand won't be able to have a car any more and there is reasons for doing that. In the U.K alone with population growth and immigration being so high we are already massively struggling with road infrastructure. On the news today there was a few stories running about the housing crisis, they expect over 5 million immigrants to arrive into the U.K over the next 5 years and they expect 1.5 million new homes to be built over the same period, there already isn't enough houses for the people who are here now add population growth to that and it is a mess. The same thing applies to the roads as well, for the government the less people that have access to their own vehicle the better.

Most people don't realise how little money a lot of people have. I am in the lucky position that I could nip down to my local car dealership and pay for a decent new car outright or get something high end on a lease etc. It was really brought home to me recently though how people even locally to me are struggling for basic necessities. My wife works part time for a housing association, a couple of weeks ago one of her tenants asked could she give her a lift as her friend couldn't and her wee Micra was off the road as it needs a new starter. It turned out she needed a lift to the local food bank, she hadn't had anything to eat for 3 days, she hasn't been able to afford gas to heat her home since November. The next day another tenant approached her having spoke to the first one, asked her for the same lift to the foodbank, she has 3 kids and to make sure her kids got fed she had basically been starving herself to the point she had become ill. Both of these ladies work, but in low paid jobs. People in that situation will never have the option to buy an E.V. Even if they could, they could never afford the cost of a replacement battery when it dies. My wife tells me that a lot of her tenants are in a similar situation.

While E.V's are only a small part of the overall problem they don't help. The government wants to make having your own vehicle unavailable to many people which will lead to more people being unable to work and making the current situation even worse. In N.I anyway public transport is atrocious and has been for decades, if you don't have your own form of transport, it would be extremely difficult to work or even do simple things like get to the doctors or the nearest shop.

I have strong feelings about E.V's affecting cars which is my hobby, but I also have strong moral concerns about how E.V's will impact on the country long term. Even just for myself if an E.V was the only option available I could have one, my wife could probably have one, but last year my daughter passed her test and we were able to buy her a small cheap car, we probably couldn't have afforded to get her an E.V especially if we both had one. My daughter has to have her own vehicle to be able to get to her part time job and next year she will need it to get to university. With no suitable public transport available if she doesn't have her own car she can't work even part time and she wouldn't be able to go to university.
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You conspiracy nut :LOL:

I don't know enough about the politics to be able to have an opinion on this, but I do believe EV's are possibly a bandaid solution. I think they'll get better, and if they can figure out a way to make electricity regeneration much more efficient so that they are more or less self charging then there may be some legs in it. Of course, batteries would need to have a longer lifespan, disposal is a big issue, there's only a finite amount of lithium, and of course there's the enormous cost for a new battery. I guess a lot of EVs will be 'written off' as soon as the battery needs replacing.

With regards to people on low income and poverty unfortunately I am all too aware of this, and it does seem to be a growing problem. This is one of the reasons I don't understand the world we live in, how can footballers earn £250k + per week kicking a bag of wind around for 90 minutes yet we still have poverty in our country let alone the rest of the world, it just doesn't make sense. I am a big footy fan, but the wages are indefensible to me. And it's not just footy, it's a lot of sports, American Footy, Basketball, F1 etc.

With regards to wheels, these ones are some of my favourites I've seen, EV or non EV.
 
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You conspiracy nut :LOL:

I don't know enough about the politics to be able to have an opinion on this, but I do believe EV's are possibly a bandaid solution. I think they'll get better, and if they can figure out a way to make electricity regeneration much more efficient so that they are more or less self charging then there may be some legs in it. Of course, batteries would need to have a longer lifespan, disposal is a big issue, there's only a finite amount of lithium, and of course there's the enormous cost for a new battery. I guess a lot of EVs will be 'written off' as soon as the battery needs replacing.

With regards to people on low income and poverty unfortunately I am all too aware of this, and it does seem to be a growing problem. This is one of the reasons I don't understand the world we live in, how can footballers earn £250k + per week kicking a bag of wind around for 90 minutes yet we still have poverty in our country let alone the rest of the world, it just doesn't make sense. I am a big footy fan, but the wages are indefensible to me. And it's not just footy, it's a lot of sports, American Footy, Basketball, F1 etc.

With regards to wheels, these ones are some of my favourites I've seen, EV or non EV.
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My cousin owns a company that recylces E.V's. He used to have a car salvage business but moved to E.V's because financially the difference is huge. They write off E.V's for very small problems. My cousins business went from turning over 500k and employing 2 people to turning over 12 million and employing 16 people when he switched to E.V only salvage and recycling.

Just one example my cousin had an MG4 in a few weeks ago, was pretty much a brand new car with under 3k miles that had been in a minor accident, literally a very minor bump on the bumper. However due to concerns about battery safety the insurance company wrote the car of and the car was salvaged and scrapped. This happens a lot he has had Tesla’s with less than 1k miles.

Another example a couple of months back there was a flood and he got in 12 x Citroen Dispatches from a fleet all written off by the insurer for battery safety concerns. There was no obvious water damage to any of them and they all worked perfectly. All were very new vehicles.

When it comes to footballers I am caught in two minds of course they get paid an obscene amount of money but then their employers are using them to make an obscene amount of money as well. I have really fallen out of love with football over the last few years and it not just because United are crap. I have went less and less over the last lot of years as in all honesty at the risk of sounding like an old man it just is not as good as it used to be. The football itself is much less exciting, all of the players are extreme athletes and the skill and entertainment factor is fairly low, football has become overly tactical to the point of being boring. The whole match day experience isn't as good as it was either, with tickets being so expensive it has changed the crowd dynamics dramatically, hardly see any of the United guys we used to see all the time any more even in the pub pre-game.

It is really expensive for me to go, by the time I pay for flights, hotel, ticket and the rest a match ends up costing me around £800 usually, away games in England usually cost me around £1200 and away games in Europe a lot more. Its pretty rare I have anytime of work at the weekends these days well. When my Dad was still alive we used to do about 20 or so matches a season but I just couldn't justify doing that now. In the last few years I have only done about 4/5 games a season.

In saying all of that my brother has just been given a long term contract with the B.B.C to be a presenter on some documentaries so he moved to Manchester a couple of months ago so he could be close to Media City. I am heading over tomorrow for the weekend to see his new place etc. and we are going to the Palace game on Sunday. Have already booked another 5 trips before the end of the season as I can stay with him making it a bit less expensive.
 
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My cousin owns a company that recylces E.V's. He used to have a car salvage business but moved to E.V's because financially the difference is huge. They write off E.V's for very small problems. My cousins business went from turning over 500k and employing 2 people to turning over 12 million and employing 16 people when he switched to E.V only salvage and recycling.

Just one example my cousin had an MG4 in a few weeks ago, was pretty much a brand new car with under 3k miles that had been in a minor accident, literally a very minor bump on the bumper. However due to concerns about battery safety the insurance company wrote the car of and the car was salvaged and scrapped. This happens a lot he has had Tesla’s with less than 1k miles.

Another example a couple of months back there was a flood and he got in 12 x Citroen Dispatches from a fleet all written off by the insurer for battery safety concerns. There was no obvious water damage to any of them and they all worked perfectly. All were very new vehicles.

When it comes to footballers I am caught in two minds of course they get paid an obscene amount of money but then their employers are using them to make an obscene amount of money as well. I have really fallen out of love with football over the last few years and it not just because United are crap. I have went less and less over the last lot of years as in all honesty at the risk of sounding like an old man it just is not as good as it used to be. The football itself is much less exciting, all of the players are extreme athletes and the skill and entertainment factor is fairly low, football has become overly tactical to the point of being boring. The whole match day experience isn't as good as it was either, with tickets being so expensive it has changed the crowd dynamics dramatically, hardly see any of the United guys we used to see all the time any more even in the pub pre-game.

It is really expensive for me to go, by the time I pay for flights, hotel, ticket and the rest a match ends up costing me around £800 usually, away games in England usually cost me around £1200 and away games in Europe a lot more. Its pretty rare I have anytime of work at the weekends these days well. When my Dad was still alive we used to do about 20 or so matches a season but I just couldn't justify doing that now. In the last few years I have only done about 4/5 games a season.

In saying all of that my brother has just been given a long term contract with the B.B.C to be a presenter on some documentaries so he moved to Manchester a couple of months ago so he could be close to Media City. I am heading over tomorrow for the weekend to see his new place etc. and we are going to the Palace game on Sunday. Have already booked another 5 trips before the end of the season as I can stay with him making it a bit less expensive.
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I’m sure all this car chat is fascinating, but I’m also sure there plenty of forums dedicated to the topic. This thread is already the broadest topic going (2586 pages are testament to that), so can we keep it at least vaguely photography - and Sony - related?
 
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