The Amazing Sony A1/A7/A9/APS-C & Anything else welcome Mega Thread!

woof woof said:
Maybe aiming for those who bought the 24-50mm f2.8.
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Yeah, that would be the obvious market but I just can't help thing they're trying to fill a gap that doesn't need filling. The traditional 24-70mm and 70-200mm is obviously a much wider range. I get that they're heavier (and more expensive) but if you want the same range in the other format it means 3 lenses. Also I'm not sure who would choose the 24-50mm and 50-105mm combo over the 24-105mm. Yes you're losing a stop of light, but f2.8's not exactly that wide for portraiture etc.

I guess they've done their research and they believe there's a market, but if you look around the general consensus there's been plenty of people bemoaning Sony's lack of tele options, yet I can't say I've seen anywhere someone saying "I wish sony would make a 50-105mm" :thinking:
 
I don't know the physical side of things, but seeing as the 24-50/2.8 covers a handful of popular prime lenses (which is good imo) maybe something that covers longer primes might have been an idea....? Like an 85-135mm type of lens?

In film era prime lens talk, there's always been a 50mm - 85mm gap hasn't there?

I think there are still a lot of people though who would rather have a full zoom range covered.
 
LeeRatters said:
Well, I know that, you know that..... but a lot of people seem happy with f/2.8 though :ROFLMAO:
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I don't know about now but at one time some people were happy with f4 zooms and actually there was a market for f4 primes at one time... them being smaller, lighter and cheaper than the wider aperture ones.
 
woof woof said:
I don't know about now but at one time some people were happy with f4 zooms and actually there was a market for f4 primes at one time... them being smaller, lighter and cheaper than the wider aperture ones.
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Don't see many f/4 primes now and for good reason.

My personal opinion is that f/2.8 primes under 400mm are a waste of time as well.
 
f/2.8 said:
Don't see many f/4 primes now and for good reason.

My personal opinion is that f/2.8 primes under 400mm are a waste of time as well.
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The 300 f/2.8 seems pretty well regarded (and expensive).

At 200 and under I'd agree - I can't see a sub 200mm f/2.8 prime selling in sufficient quantity to make it viable (unless it's a specialist, such as 1:1 Macro), as we have a choice of f/2.8 zooms that cover that range.
 
f/2.8 said:
Don't see many f/4 primes now and for good reason.
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The only reason I can think of, and not a good one, is that some people confuse maximum aperture with the ability of a given lens to present a useful image to the sensor. One of the most useful long focus lenses I ever owned was the Leica Elmar 90mm f/4, for both the 39mm screw mount and the M series bayonet mount.

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f/2.8 said:
My personal opinion is that f/2.8 primes under 400mm are a waste of time as well.
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Many alternative opinions are, of course, available.
 
f/2.8 said:
Don't see many f/4 primes now and for good reason.

My personal opinion is that f/2.8 primes under 400mm are a waste of time as well.
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Hence why I said "at one time."

And no, f2.8 primes are not a waste of time but I'll agree with you if you can find a f2.8 zoom of any focal range the size of a Sony 35mm f2.8.
 
woof woof said:
Hence why I said "at one time."

And no, f2.8 primes are not a waste of time but I'll agree with you if you can find a f2.8 zoom of any focal range the size of a Sony 35mm f2.8.
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I don't need you to agree with me. In my personal opinion only a lunatic carry's around multiple f/2.8 primes at wide to normal focal lengths when they are covered with a mid range f/2.8 zoom.

The reason the 35mm f/2.8 is no longer popular is because it is only f/2.8. Am sure it was great back donkeys years ago when it was launched and there was no real alternatives available. The 35 f/1.8 Sony and Samyang are very light weight and small as well, makes more sense to take one of those if you want a small 35mm and don't need to take anything else as f/2.8 is very limiting unless your donkeys years old yourself and stuck in your ways shooting everything at f/8. Might as well use a milk bottle.
 
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f/2.8 said:
I don't need you to agree with me. In my personal opinion only a lunatic carry's around multiple f/2.8 primes at wide to normal focal lengths when they are covered with a mid range f/2.8 zoom.

The reason the 35mm f/2.8 is no longer popular is because it is only f/2.8. Am sure it was great back donkeys years ago when it was launched and there was no real alternatives available. The 35 f/1.8 Sony and Samyang are very light weight and small as well, makes more sense to take one of those if you want a small 35mm and don't need to take anything else as f/2.8 is very limiting unless your donkeys years old yourself and stuck in your ways shooting everything at f/8. Might as well use a milk bottle.
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It's all opinion and in my opinion there is a market for more compact kit and no, the f1.8 is not a replacement for the same reason. The mini G's are. On the zoom side there is the collapsible kit lens and it is lovely and compact but it's more limited aperture wise.

Your other comments. You should keep your mild personal slights to yourself or aim them at someone who gives a flying what you think but then you do tent to run off at the mouth a bit and come out with OTT drivel too often. IMO of course. I don't want to have to waste my time replying to garbage like this from you. Here's a bit of advice... Try and be funny instead of just funny.

A7 with 35mm f2.8 v 24-50mm f2.8 which I thought might be one of the smaller f2.8 zooms.

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That could make a difference on a day out or holiday and I think Sony see a market for smaller kit as they have some small primes and the A7c range which I think is selling well for them.

I can see how some wont mind about extra bulk and weight and I can see how some might not want to be limited to a f2.5/f2.8 prime but I also have small f2 and even a f1.4 prime. I am happiest with primes. On the general point of bulk and weight even someone who tends to suffer from verbal incontinence might be able to at least perceive that some people might light compact and light kit. I hope so.
 
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I certainly see your line of thinking. I recently bought a Fuji XF10 compact camera with a 28mm equivalent F2.8 lens as a pocket camera, I'm feeling I've made an error and thinking I should have gone for an e-mount body with the flexibility of either the 16mm F2.8 or 20mm F2.8 lenses since I could carry the body with either one and have the option of changing if needed. Ideally something a little smaller than the A7C with a couple of small F2.8 primes although perhaps unrealistic, I'd like something as a replacement for my very old RX1R.
 
woof woof said:
It's all opinion and in my opinion there is a market for more compact kit and no, the f1.8 is not a replacement for the same reason. The mini G's are. On the zoom side there is the collapsible kit lens and it is lovely and compact but it's more limited aperture wise.

Your other comments. You should keep your mild personal slights to yourself or aim them at someone who gives a flying what you think but then you do tent to run off at the mouth a bit and come out with OTT drivel too often. IMO of course. I don't want to have to waste my time replying to garbage like this from you. Here's a bit of advice... Try and be funny instead of just funny.

A7 with 35mm f2.8 v 24-50mm f2.8 which I thought might be one of the smaller f2.8 zooms.

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That could make a difference on a day out or holiday and I think Sony see a market for smaller kit as they have some small primes and the A7c range which I think is selling well for them.

I can see how some wont mind about extra bulk and weight and I can see how some might not want to be limited to a f2.5/f2.8 prime but I also have small f2 and even a f1.4 prime. I am happiest with primes. On the general point of bulk and weight even someone who tends to suffer from verbal incontinence might be able to at least perceive that some people might light compact and light kit. I hope so.
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Are you okay? You seem to be having some sort of hissy fit? Maybe save that nonsense for Facebook.

I didn’t make any personal comments about you, are you having a bad mental health day or something?

Feel free to put me on ignore.
 
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f/2.8 said:
Are you okay? You seem to be having some sort of hissy fit? Maybe save that nonsense for Facebook.

I didn’t make any personal comments about you, are you having a bad mental health day or something?

Feel free to put me on ignore.
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I think everyone can calm down, we're too friendly a community for this nastiness. And after all, it's Friday!
 
f/2.8 said:
Are you okay? You seem to be having some sort of hissy fit? Maybe save that nonsense for Facebook.

I didn’t make any personal comments about you, are you having a bad mental health day or something?

Feel free to put me on ignore.
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Not really a hissy fit. It's just today I got a bit irritated with you. I've often thought you go needlessly over the top way too often with your rhetoric and rants and I usually just chuckle, but not today.

Mental health isn't really something to joke about or make fun over and I've been honest about my issues (stress and depression). The fact that you'd make a comment like this does actually make me feel better as it just reinforces my belief that on my worst day I'm a better man than you.

How about you just grow up a bit and then I wont have to ignore you.
 
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Tricky01 said:
I think everyone can calm down, we're too friendly a community for this nastiness. And after all, it's Friday!
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Point taken but on the other hand... Just sometimes a little friction can take the heat out of an issue. I'm not sure I need to calm down but I'll have a cuppa. That's my commitment. Hopefully f2.8 can commit to turning the bombast dial down from 10 to 8 and being the better man.
 
So pleased to see this working again. But it was shut last time I went.

A7 and TTArtisan 50mm f2. Dull flat day.

My ticket.

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My carriage.

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PS.
It was a windy day. See the waves and the little water fall running off the cliff in the distance?
 
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One of my favourites but lost out on the title in another thread.

A7 and Voigtlander 40mm f1.2 which I sold. Silly me.

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She's home on Tuesday. She went to Thailand for 6 months to look after her mam, 6 months turned into 9 for unforeseen reasons. I couldn't go due to ongoing legal issues with family. Really like this following one but someone in the room seems to have a touch of OCD. Can't imagine who.

A7 and Sony 35mm f2.8.

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"Aren't you ready yet?"
"Shut up."

Last one A7 and TTArtisan 50mm f2.

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woof woof said:
One of my favourites but lost out on the title in another thread.

A7 and Voigtlander 40mm f1.2 which I sold. Silly me.

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She's home on Tuesday. She went to Thailand for 6 months to look after her mam, 6 months turned into 9 for unforeseen reasons. I couldn't go due to ongoing legal issues with family.
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Bet you both can't wait! Are you taking her out for food or something? Or is she going to give you some DIY to do around the house? :) :ROFLMAO:

My shots above were with the 40/1.2 :)
 
woof woof said:
Not really a hissy fit. It's just today I got a bit irritated with you. I've often thought you go needlessly over the top way too often with your rhetoric and rants and I usually just chuckle, but not today.

Mental health isn't really something to joke about or make fun over and I've been honest about my issues (stress and depression). The fact that you'd make a comment like this does actually make me feel better as it just reinforces my belief that on my worst day I'm a better man than you.

How about you just grow up a bit and then I wont have to ignore you.
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Honestly what a load of self entitled nonsense.

You’re right, I don’t like your internet persona, but I never personally attacked you although you have done that to me.

You’re being extremely childish but then it’s not exactly the first time.
 
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LeeRatters said:
Bet you both can't wait! Are you taking her out for food or something? Or is she going to give you some DIY to do around the house? :) :ROFLMAO:

My shots above were with the 40/1.2 :)
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DIY? All done. You don't marry an obsessive to wait for DIY to get done. First couple of days she'll be too tired as it's a loooong flight and you're lucky to get any sleep. After that we have to have a talk and make our wills as neither of us has one and recent family troubles have convinced us that we need them and we do go out a lot as a couple so if anything happens it could happen to us both. After that we'll have some nice days out and there's an ever growing list of people to take out for a meal or to have round for a meal. People who've been really good in difficult times.

I'll think about the 40mm but I'm sure you know what I'm like. I'll end up buying it and keeping the 35 and 50.
 
f/2.8 said:
Honestly what a load of self entitled nonsense.

You’re right, I don’t like your internet persona, but I never personally attacked you although you have done that to me.

You’re being extremely childish but then it’s not exactly the first time.
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Self entitled. Look in the mirror.

Look. We're not in a pub we're on a forum and if you and I carry on one or both of us is getting banned. It's up to you. I don't like how you post at times but usually I live with it. Recently much less so. Just keep your comments to yourself where I'm concerned and we can coexist without either of us getting banned.
 
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@f/2.8 @woof woof - time to cool down guys. Put each other on ignore if you don't enjoy each others comments (yes, there have been plenty of RTMs).
 
I’ve just posted a wanted ad for an A7C II if anyone is looking to part with one.

I’d also consider the original A7C or even the A7CR if the price was tempting.
 
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