The Amazing Sony A1/A7/A9/APS-C & Anything else welcome Mega Thread!

trevorbray said:
But. You’d have the decisive frame.
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Not if it was at the time or after initially pressing the shutter. Precapture is not there to get the decisive frame per se, it's a fail safe in case you were too slow ;)
pmac said:
Yeah it does feel this way.
I don’t know if they are behind or they are just the new canon and love crippling cameras so they don’t encroach on the tier above.
As much as I’ve had GAS for the a7V it does seem like they picked some bad/strange choices.
30fps for 1 sec( only native glass too)
Video choices were way behind(needed or not, it’s not a great look)
Same EVF
Though if they had offered these improvements there be zero need for an a1.

I thought u Cant get the full 30fps when using an SD card. The way Jared explained it was you need to have no redundancy if you want 30fps.
But I may be wrong
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I guess at the end of the day Sony have a business plan and know the market, they've been successful doing what they've been doing so far so who am I to question it? We all want that holy grail but these companies are businesses and so I guess it's in their interest to do as little as possible but make the product desirable enough that it'll still sell well. The only camera I can think of that they threw the kichen sink at it was the A1, I do feel that it was as good as you could do at the time. However, the A1 II seems to go back to the ethos of just doing enough. It does surprise me that it's still only compressed raw at 30fps though.

30fps for 1 second isn't great, but as I said I'd be choosing compressed raw anyway for this type of shooting in which case you get 3 seconds of shooting. I'm not sure why you'd need more than a 3 second burst. With regards to the using 30fps with SD cards, I'm pretty sure I can with the A1, and I would see no reason why not when using the A7V as it will use the buffer, it's only when this is full and writing to the card(s) that it will slow the frame rate. At least that's how I understand it.

I actually think the A7V looks a great camera, and is certainly one of the better updates imo.
 
snerkler said:
Not if it was at the time or after initially pressing the shutter. Precapture is not there to get the decisive frame per se, it's a fail safe in case you were too slow
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Not the way I read it. Holding the shutter down and waiting for the moment means filling the buffer, potentially missing the required frame. A fail safe is the way to go.
 
trevorbray said:
Not the way I read it. Holding the shutter down and waiting for the moment means filling the buffer, potentially missing the required frame. A fail safe is the way to go.
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OM Systems have Pro capture (same thing) but as long as you hold the shutter half way down it keeps so many frames in the buffer. If the buffer fills up the oldest frames get deleted so you'll not miss the shot.

Same as on my EM1X.
 
snerkler said:
Not if it was at the time or after initially pressing the shutter. Precapture is not there to get the decisive frame per se, it's a fail safe in case you were too slow ;)

I guess at the end of the day Sony have a business plan and know the market, they've been successful doing what they've been doing so far so who am I to question it? We all want that holy grail but these companies are businesses and so I guess it's in their interest to do as little as possible but make the product desirable enough that it'll still sell well. The only camera I can think of that they threw the kichen sink at it was the A1, I do feel that it was as good as you could do at the time. However, the A1 II seems to go back to the ethos of just doing enough. It does surprise me that it's still only compressed raw at 30fps though.

30fps for 1 second isn't great, but as I said I'd be choosing compressed raw anyway for this type of shooting in which case you get 3 seconds of shooting. I'm not sure why you'd need more than a 3 second burst. With regards to the using 30fps with SD cards, I'm pretty sure I can with the A1, and I would see no reason why not when using the A7V as it will use the buffer, it's only when this is full and writing to the card(s) that it will slow the frame rate. At least that's how I understand it.

I actually think the A7V looks a great camera, and is certainly one of the better updates imo.
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With was the a7V can potentially do.. will find out once raw support and real in hand usage.
The tech could really push top end next gen
GreenNinja67 said:
OM Systems have Pro capture (same thing) but as long as you hold the shutter half way down it keeps so many frames in the buffer. If the buffer fills up the oldest frames get deleted so you'll not miss the shot.

Same as on my EM1X.
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Yeah it’s the same from what I read as soon it’s full it dumps the buffer and re fills doing this constantly until you take a shot.
 
GreenNinja67 said:
OM Systems have Pro capture (same thing) but as long as you hold the shutter half way down it keeps so many frames in the buffer. If the buffer fills up the oldest frames get deleted so you'll not miss the shot.

Same as on my EM1X.
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Yeah. I have the OM-1. Toby is familiar with Olympus.
 
GreenNinja67 said:
OM Systems have Pro capture (same thing) but as long as you hold the shutter half way down it keeps so many frames in the buffer. If the buffer fills up the oldest frames get deleted so you'll not miss the shot.

Same as on my EM1X.
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Yeah exactly, so in the case of the A7V with a 1s precapture and 30fps lossless raw the buffer will always be full, just replacing one frame at a time, so the moment you fully press the shutter the buffer will be full.
 
pmac said:
Yeah it’s the same from what I read as soon it’s full it dumps the buffer and re fills doing this constantly until you take a shot.
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As I understand it it doesn’t dump all of the buffer, just one photo at a time, I.e the oldest one.
 
trevorbray said:
Not the way I read it. Holding the shutter down and waiting for the moment means filling the buffer, potentially missing the required frame. A fail safe is the way to go.
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I’m not sure we’re talking about the same thing :thinking: :LOL:
 
snerkler said:
I actually think the A7V looks a great camera, and is certainly one of the better updates imo.
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I have to agree. If I was in the market for a mini SLR style camera and if this can indeed be found grey for under £2k I'd have one for the do it all back screen, the increased DR and the blackout free shooting.
 
snerkler said:
As I understand things it only keeps them in the buffer, they're not written to the card until you press the shutter which means that at 30fps lossless compressed the buffer would already be full at the time of pressing the shutter :thinking:
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Surely no-one has reactions so slow. I find 0.3 seconds is fine. 0.4 is possibly overkill. If you need a full second then I hope you arent driving
 
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wookie6262 said:
Sirely noone has reactions so slow. I find 0.3 seconds is fine. 0.4 is possibly overkill. If you need a full second then I hope you arent driving
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Well I wouldn’t have it set at 1s, but I bet there’s people that will especially the more elderly who’s reflexes have started to slow. But at the end of the day Sony have made it capable of doing so so it’s there to be used if you want it (y)
 
snerkler said:
Well I wouldn’t have it set at 1s, but I bet there’s people that will especially the more elderly who’s reflexes have started to slow. But at the end of the day Sony have made it capable of doing so so it’s there to be used if you want it (y)
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I'm coming up 58 years old and my reactions are around 0.25 seconds according to the online tests. Even average 80 year olds will be around 0.5 seconds for the simple choice of reacting to movement from a bird or a big tackle coming in etc. To be fair to Sony you can use the full buffer with Pre-Capture albiet nothing will record at 30fps thereafter. It will likely just shoot at a slower shutter speed though.
 
wookie6262 said:
I'm coming up 58 years old and my reactions are around 0.25 seconds according to the online tests. Even average 80 year olds will be around 0.5 seconds for the simple choice of reacting to movement from a bird or a big tackle coming in etc. To be fair to Sony you can use the full buffer with Pre-Capture albiet nothing will record at 30fps thereafter. It will likely just shoot at a slower shutter speed though.
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I don’t know the stats, however regardless of whether or not they feel they have the reaction time my guess is that there’ll be plenty of people who set it to 1s, just like there’s the people that machine gun everything in the hope that one shot will turn out decent ;)
 
BacktotheFuji said:
£2800 of an A7 V! When did cameras get so expensive?

I picked up a used a7s for £260 which is more my level ;) Going to shoot my old Praktica PB lenses on it.
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Original A7 was £1700 at release in 2013, adjusted for inflation that's about £2500 in today's money

They have added IBIS and there was increases in prices when GBP tanked post Brexit vote. Probably accounts for the extra £300.
 
nandbytes said:
Original A7 was £1700 at release in 2013, adjusted for inflation that's about £2500 in today's money

They have added IBIS and there was increases in prices when GBP tanked post Brexit vote. Probably accounts for the extra £300.
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I remember two hikes since 2013, I can't remember the reason but they were pre-brexit and I don't think it was down to the value of the pound but I can't remember why. However I've got a feeling at least one was due to the rise in smartphones and the subsequent reduction in number of camera sales.

The average sale price has certainly gone up dramatically since the introduction of smart phones as there's been a large shift towards high end models. I don't think Sony do a truly budget camera anymore, even the A6700 is over £1k.
 
snerkler said:
I remember two hikes since 2013, I can't remember the reason but they were pre-brexit and I don't think it was down to the value of the pound but I can't remember why. However I've got a feeling at least one was due to the rise in smartphones and the subsequent reduction in number of camera sales.

The average sale price has certainly gone up dramatically since the introduction of smart phones as there's been a large shift towards high end models. I don't think Sony do a truly budget camera anymore, even the A6700 is over £1k.
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Only one I remember is the Brexit one

I know this clearly because I got A7RIII as wedding present... got engaged pre-Brexit the price was ~£2.5K, got married post Brexit, the price was ~£3K

the price went up roughly 15%, taking inflation into account increase £2500 by 15% gives you basically £2900 which is the price of A7V.
So basically its the same price as A7 was at release if you take inflation and GBP devaluation into account.

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p.s. not defending Sony's pricing. IMO electronics should get cheaper over time, which it hasn't....
 
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Some more from Thailand. All taken with A7cII and Sony 40mm.

When we were at Mrs WW's family home we went jogging around the village every morning starting before dawn.

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The locals seemed a bit surprised at the cheery "Good morning" greetings from a farang but after the initial shock they started to respond rather than looking terrified. I'd heard "farang" before but wasn't sure what it meant. Mrs WW thinks it came from the Thai's not being able to pronounce "French" and of course as all foreign white people look the same they must be all French and farang. So she says.

This was just a special moment but there were so many. This was in a little restaurant in Pattaya near our hotel when we went to see the Sanctuary of Truth.

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The food was very good.

Long exposure Pattaya street scene taken from the hotel balcony.

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Same again next year.
 
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nandbytes said:
Only one I remember is the Brexit one

I know this clearly because I got A7RIII as wedding present... got engaged pre-Brexit the price was ~£2.5K, got married post Brexit, the price was ~£3K

the price went up roughly 15%, taking inflation into account increase £2500 by 15% gives you basically £2900 which is the price of A7V.
So basically its the same price as A7 was at release if you take inflation and GBP devaluation into account.

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p.s. not defending Sony's pricing. IMO electronics should get cheaper over time, which it hasn't....
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Similar here, bought kit from Panamoz on Brexit voting day and a day or two later price had gone up £200+
 
nandbytes said:
Only one I remember is the Brexit one

I know this clearly because I got A7RIII as wedding present... got engaged pre-Brexit the price was ~£2.5K, got married post Brexit, the price was ~£3K

the price went up roughly 15%, taking inflation into account increase £2500 by 15% gives you basically £2900 which is the price of A7V.
So basically its the same price as A7 was at release if you take inflation and GBP devaluation into account.

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p.s. not defending Sony's pricing. IMO electronics should get cheaper over time, which it hasn't....
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I remember one time was when I was looking at buying the Nikon 70-200mm f2.8, and then another time. Both were mentioned on various blogs etc.
 
Not that I want this thread to descend into politics... but as a Brexit voter I don't believe that all economic ills are necessarily the fault of Brexit per se and could well be caused more by the reaction and resistance of the forces opposed to Brexit. I would argue that those forces are still at play and that we've never really got Brexit as our uniparty and establishment just don't want it let alone any effort to make it actually work. At the time my then GF was a rather good economist. I think she was rather good as people paid her vast amounts plus expenses to fly around the world compiling reports, she was rather meh on Brexit opining that any short term ills shouldn't be long lasting and the EC was anyway in decline.

My time with her abroad was a massive culture shock and convinced me that Europe was indeed in decline in relation to other parts of the world, the UK and my part of it even more so. Mrs WW refers to my home town as The Third World. I don't blame Brexit for that, I blame the uniparty and decades of indifference, incompetence and mismanagement.
 
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I've had it confirmed from Sony that as we thought, if you use a 1s precatpure at 30fps lossless compressed the buffer will be full at time of fully pressing the shutter and so the frame rate will be considerably less than 30fps. Not ideal, however as I've mentioned previously I'd be shooting in compressed raw at 30fps, and I'd have precatpure at 0.5s not 1s.
 
A PS to the above. I think I like this pano more than the single shot.

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PPS.
Did I not mention the ladyboys? Some are disturbingly convincing and nothing short of convincing and more... beautiful but some not so much. Mrs WW seems to think it's hilarious to point them out.
 
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snerkler said:
I remember one time was when I was looking at buying the Nikon 70-200mm f2.8, and then another time. Both were mentioned on various blogs etc.
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I think Nikon have raised prices more times than Sony or canon.

Sony may have well raised it too but personally not aware.

woof woof said:
Not that I want this thread to descend into politics... but as a Brexit voter I don't believe that all economic ills are necessarily the fault of Brexit per se and could well be caused more by the reaction and resistance of the forces opposed to Brexit. I would argue that those forces are still at play and that we've never really got Brexit as our uniparty and establishment just don't want it let alone any effort to make it actually work. At the time my then GF was a rather good economist. I think she was rather good as people paid her vast amounts plus expenses to fly around the world compiling reports, she was rather meh on Brexit opining that any short term ills shouldn't be long lasting and the EC was anyway in decline.

My time with her abroad was a massive culture shock and convinced me that Europe was indeed in decline in relation to other parts of the world, the UK and my part of it even more so. Mrs WW refers to my home town as The Third World. I don't blame Brexit for that, I blame the uniparty and decades of indifference, incompetence and mismanagement.
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Erm.... ok. Totally wasn't intending on debating merits and demerits of Brexit.

Simply stating facts as they happened pertaining to camera prices.
Post Brexit vote GBP tanked which is a fact. And because of GBP losing value many camera manufacturers increased prices inc. Sony which is also something well discussed.

Similarly recent Trump tariffs in US have hiked camera prices in the US which is also well documented now. Not debating whether that was right or wrong.

No other ulterior motives.
 
snerkler said:
I've had it confirmed from Sony that as we thought, if you use a 1s precatpure at 30fps lossless compressed the buffer will be full at time of fully pressing the shutter and so the frame rate will be considerably less than 30fps. Not ideal, however as I've mentioned previously I'd be shooting in compressed raw at 30fps, and I'd have precatpure at 0.5s not 1s.
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Somewhat disappointing to be honest.
At the same time not something that's necessarily impact my shooting. I'm normally shooting 10-15fp which is plenty. And now my lenses are all mostly capped at 15fps

But from a wider consideration I wish the buffer was deeper....
 
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nandbytes said:
No other ulterior motives.
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Good. I just get tired of Brexit being dragged into thread after thread when arguably thanks to mucho resistance we still haven't had it and likely never will unless we ever get real change in govt.
 
nandbytes said:
Somewhat disappointing to be honest.
At the same time not something that's necessarily impact my shooting. I'm normally shooting 10-15fp which is plenty. And now my lenses are all mostly capped at 15fps

But from a wider consideration I wish the buffer was deeper....
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Yeah it's a strange one considering what we've uncovered, however I bet most people don't even realise ;)
 
woof woof said:
Good. I just get tired of Brexit being dragged into thread after thread when arguably thanks to mucho resistance we still haven't had it and likely never will unless we ever get real change in govt.
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It's any government.

When you only have to keep the populace quiet for a maximum of 5 years there's no incentive to bring about real change.
 
Seem to be in peoples hands already. But still no raw support

Third party lens seem fine for the few people I saw that tested on Reddit.

Also just watched Tony’s video review, he seems convinced that the DR claim is a lie and is infact worse than the IV .. which he expected as all these partially stacked sensors seem to loose DR not improve.
 
pmac said:
Seem to be in peoples hands already. But still no raw support

Third party lens seem fine for the few people I saw that tested on Reddit.

Also just watched Tony’s video review, he seems convinced that the DR claim is a lie and is infact worse than the IV .. which he expected as all these partially stacked sensors seem to loose DR not improve.
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I'd be surprised if it's a lie, surely no company is stupid enough to make false claims like this? As we know though, there are many different ways people test DR.
 
pmac said:
Agreed, I did see some comments saying they state that it’s with mechanical shutter only. I didn’t notice that in the specs
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It's there on the reference points (y) I think DR is always reduced when using the fully ES. I always forget and any landscpaes I've done with the A1 have been with the ES, I've still found them to have plenty of DR and scope for editing.

Unfortunately only a very limited number of cameras have been tested to show the DR with both mechanical and electronic shutter on photons to photos, I don't think DXO specify MS or ES.

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I personally don't think it's much to worry about if this is anything to go by. Here you can see the difference (or lack of) between MS, EFCS and ES

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Canon see a significant drop with ES though :thinking:

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snerkler said:
Canon see a significant drop with ES though :thinking:

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As I mentioned in one of my previous posts, canon drops the bit rate and/or dynamic range in favour of FPS and fast readout.
Basically with normal sensor you cannot readout all the data quick enough to avoid rolling shutter and shoot at higher frame rate, so they just read less of it :D

This is less of an issue with a stacked sensor in R5ii but on a non-stacked sensor like R6II or original R5 its massive hit to IQ.
I would like to see the results on R6iii when its up but I feel it'll be more like R6ii, may be slightly better but probably not much more if its not even partially stacked.
 
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