The Amazing Sony A1/A7/A9/APS-C & Anything else welcome Mega Thread!

[pmac]

I can see why it’s flopping pretty hard it’s basically just an A7R5 with an extra 5mpx. People were expecting the stacked sensor to be a game changer but it has none of the advantages of a fully stacked sensor.

R Bodies always drop fast in price. It will be 3k grey within a couple of months and around 2.3k within 7-8 months.

yeah I was watching mark gelars and his view was performance wise its pretty much a a75 with double the MP.
slightly worse readout speed and lower a.f calculations but surprisingly a slightly bigger buffer.(seem mixed on the hi iso performance)
obviously it has more video improvements and then the actual hardware improvements.
I don't need double the MP and definatly not double the price

 

[trevjm]

You can only ask, for the A1 II:

Panamoz was £4200
E-Infin was £4189
Cameriz with the added discount at checkout was £3907

Panamoz matched the £3907

A follow up to the above. I made some enquiries about costs etc.with Panamoz and Cameriz.

Panamoz would only reduce their price to £4100 yesterday. I have only ever bought a single item from them previously so would understand if frequent users perhaps get better offers. A three year warranty though is a big plus as well.

I looked at the Cameriz price which was £3907 still and noted that there is an option for “Package Protection” that was about £64. It doesn't actually show as an option for the A1 mk II but they said they would sort it out before anyone orders one. They then informed me that their PP only covers you for £3700 so if the package never arrives you are out of pocket. Not good.

You can order with a credit card though that covers you for loss, damage etc. and covers orders from Hong Kong etc. so why pay the PP in the first place? Am I missing something that PP offers that a credit card wouldn’t? They do provide a two year warranty which is not bad. I have asked the question of the PP offers but yet to receive a reply.

 

[f/1.2]

A follow up to the above. I made some enquiries about costs etc.with Panamoz and Cameriz.

Panamoz would only reduce their price to £4100 yesterday. I have only ever bought a single item from them previously so would understand if frequent users perhaps get better offers. A three year warranty though is a big plus as well.

I looked at the Cameriz price which was £3907 still and noted that there is an option for “Package Protection” that was about £64. It doesn't actually show as an option for the A1 mk II but they said they would sort it out before anyone orders one. They then informed me that their PP only covers you for £3700 so if the package never arrives you are out of pocket. Not good.

You can order with a credit card though that covers you for loss, damage etc. and covers orders from Hong Kong etc. so why pay the PP in the first place? Am I missing something that PP offers that a credit card wouldn’t? They do provide a two year warranty which is not bad. I have asked the question of the PP offers but yet to receive a reply.

I have never ordered anything from Cameriz although a friend of mine has and had no issues other than a longer than expected delivery time.

I am more than a good customer of Panamoz tbf so maybe they looked after me a bit more.

 

[nandbytes]

yeah I was watching mark gelars and his view was performance wise its pretty much a a75 with double the MP.
slightly worse readout speed and lower a.f calculations but surprisingly a slightly bigger buffer.(seem mixed on the hi iso performance)
obviously it has more video improvements and then the actual hardware improvements.
I don't need double the MP and definatly not double the price

According to dpreview and some reviews it seems if you use the A7Rvi with the smaller compressed RAW it has similar readout speed and AF calculations to A7v

It feels like the missed trick by not providing faster readout speeds in APS-C mode where you still have like 30mp!

 

[snerkler]

According to dpreview and some reviews it seems if you use the A7Rvi with the smaller compressed RAW it has similar readout speed and AF calculations to A7v

It feels like the missed trick by not providing faster readout speeds in APS-C mode where you still have like 30mp!

I think it’s disappointing as an upgrade, but I guess if you’re new to the market it might be more appealing.

I’d be very surprised if Sony couldn’t make it with a faster readout time so I think it’s more of a business choice rather than a tech limitation.

 

[nandbytes]

I think it’s disappointing as an upgrade, but I guess if you’re new to the market it might be more appealing.

I’d be very surprised if Sony couldn’t make it with a faster readout time so I think it’s more of a business choice rather than a tech limitation.

depends on what someone was after.... from what i understand its a massive upgrade on video side (personally doesn't impact me)
compared to R5ii or Z8 its somewhat disappointing but you are getting like 2 stops more dynamic range, a good amount more pixels, nicer EVF, matched card slots etc.
so i am not sure it really directly competes with those either

unlikely I'll be upgrading from my A7RV tbh. I have been on look out for a second smaller body but now I am wondering if there'll be an A7CRii with this sensor.
i think the electronic shutter is good enough for most uses I'd use a small body for.

 

[Kieran_89]

Just tried the voucher code with Jessops on the A7Rvi and it says not eligible, not sure whether because it’s on back order now or it’s expired.

 

[woof woof]

Another!



It's a Seiko NH38 in a 36mm case.

It's not perfect as there are some issues on the dial which thankfully are only visible under high magnification. Maybe £21.28 isn't enough for the Chinese to provide a perfect dial. There was an issue with the stem too but luckily I had a spare. I like it though, I think I'll wear this a lot.

Taken with my Sony A7cII and 40mm, as usual

 

[Sootchucker]

Here's a question for all you technical people out there.

On my Nikon Z8 & Z9, I can shoot 4K 120p in either full frame or ASP-C mode. However when in APS-C mode, the camera does a 1:1 pixel readout giving you an effective 2.3x crop from full frame. Whilst I know it's from a smaller part of the sensor and will therefore be noisier than from FF, the ability to pop on my super lightweight 400mm F.45 lens and get an effective Video field of view of a 920mm without having to employ teleconverters and thus retain the F4.5 maximum aperture is a feature I use regularly (in fact on my 180-600 at the long end it also nets me a FOV equivalent of a massive 1,380mm)

Step forward then the new Sony A7R VI, whilst can also shoot now 4K 120p in FF, however when shooting in APS-C mode, it's actually a 1.4x crop from FF (as it oversamples from a 4.6k area). So a 400mm lens would now only get you 560mm effective.

Whilst I'm fully aware that the oversampled 4.6k would no doubt have better noise control than the 2.3x 1:1 pixel readout mode from the Nikon's (due to the sampled sensor area being physically larger on the Sony), it got me wondering why Sony didn't add a 1:1 pixel read out option in APS-C mode as well ? I know that quality would take a slight hit, but with the Sony's massive 66.8mp sensor, a 1:1 readout of a 4k working area would give an approx 2.6x crop meaning that a 600mm lens would have the field of view equivalent of a massive 1,560mm (great for small birds). My thoughts are as it would be a direct 1:1 pixel readout there's no sampling that would need to be done by the camera processor, meaning (theoretically) less heat and better battery life ?

Like I say I know that the ultimate quality would suffer, but when shooting in decent light with the lower ISO's this could potentially be a big bonus when videoing small critters ? Anyone therefore know if there is a technical reason why Sony hasn't implemented this, or is it just based on it potentially having worse image quality than an oversampled 4.6k area ?

 

[f/1.2]

Hold on people actually shoot video

 

[LeeRatters]

As soon as it said "technical people", I clocked out

 

[pmac]

Lots of things manufacturers add that others don’t.
As you say it could easily be done but isn’t.
Having watching reviews of different Sony cameras it seem Sony ibis is crap in comparison to others and even more noticeable at longer ranges and video. There is a constant jiggle, not sure if these crop factors would negate that or not as it’s the centre of the image.
We also can’t do double exposures in camera like canon.

 

[f/1.2]

We also can’t do double exposures in camera like canon.

Bro double exposure for most people died a death about 5 years ago.

It not 2021 any more.

 

[snerkler]

Bro double exposure for most people died a death about 5 years ago.

It not 2021 any more.

I've seen some great multiple exposures recently. I don't understand why manufacturers don't just offer all of these things, like panoramas too, and just let the user decide what they do or do not want t use I'd be surprised if it uses too much processing power.

 

[nog]

As soon as it said "technical people", I clocked out

Got further than me

 

[mstphoto]

I've seen some great multiple exposures recently. I don't understand why manufacturers don't just offer all of these things, like panoramas too, and just let the user decide what they do or do not want t use I'd be surprised if it uses too much processing power.

....and GPS

 

[nog]

and why can Sony A7R V only focus stack 2 or 3 shots per second whilst Olympus can do 10 per second, Canon R5 II 30 per second(according to google)

 

[f/1.2]

I've seen some great multiple exposures recently. I don't understand why manufacturers don't just offer all of these things, like panoramas too, and just let the user decide what they do or do not want t use I'd be surprised if it uses too much processing power.

They were a whole thing a few years ago but have been done to death and are now right up their with selective colour.

 

[snerkler]

They were a whole thing a few years ago but have been done to death and are now right up their with selective colour.

I still think they could add everything and let users decide what they want to use.

It may come as a surprise but I don’t follow trends or fashions

 

[LeeRatters]

I've seen some great multiple exposures recently. I don't understand why manufacturers don't just offer all of these things, like panoramas too, and just let the user decide what they do or do not want t use I'd be surprised if it uses too much processing power.

Sony A7 - July 2016


*** by Lee, on Flickr

 

[jimmyjamjojo]

Lots of things manufacturers add that others don’t.
As you say it could easily be done but isn’t.
Having watching reviews of different Sony cameras it seem Sony ibis is crap in comparison to others and even more noticeable at longer ranges and video. There is a constant jiggle, not sure if these crop factors would negate that or not as it’s the centre of the image.
We also can’t do double exposures in camera like canon.

It vexes me that we can't have the histogram and level on screen at the same time...

 

[snerkler]

It vexes me that we can't have the histogram and level on screen at the same time...

Yeah it's pretty basic to be able to choose what displays you want on the screen, I could do this with Olympus and I can do it with the Fuji X100VI.

I've always been baffled by manufacturers' decisions, for example Olympus have some great innovations such as live composite, live ND but then omit panoramas. Fujifilm have panoramas and multiple exposure but then don't have live ND or live composite. And then there's Sony who had some features and then took them away with later models

 

[LeeRatters]

Yeah it's pretty basic to be able to choose what displays you want on the screen, I could do this with Olympus and I can do it with the Fuji X100VI.

I've always been baffled by manufacturers' decisions, for example Olympus have some great innovations such as live composite, live ND but then omit panoramas. Fujifilm have panoramas and multiple exposure but then don't have live ND or live composite. And then there's Sony who had some features and then took them away with later models

I think you can only do double exposure on the X100f if you shoot jpeg only mode.

The only thing I wish my bodies/cameras had is a full range of different aspect ratios.

 

[Kieran_89]

I wish you could get a shutter speed longer than 30” without going into bulb mode like the Nikon cameras do, should really be a standard feature.

 

[nandbytes]

I wish you could get a shutter speed longer than 30” without going into bulb mode like the Nikon cameras do, should really be a standard feature.

You kind of can, as established on your other comparison thread

Yes involves a few more menu hops, but if you are setting up for like multiple minutes of exposures, spending few extra seconds on menu hops isn't really an issue

 

[Kieran_89]

You kind of can, as established on your other comparison thread

Yes involves a few more menu hops, but if you are setting up for like multiple minutes of exposures, spending few extra seconds on menu hops isn't really an issue

True but I’d like it without the extra menu hops

 

[nandbytes]

True but I’d like it without the extra menu hops

First world problems

Compared to few weeks ago when I thought it was impossible, I'll take this over not having it at all