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andya700 said:
Bearing in mind the reaction of Russell when he crashed into Bottas, I think there may be fireworks next season between Lewis and him.
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I don't think it will be quite as amicable as Hamilton /Bottas was. Intended or not, Bottas was always going to be number 2 to Lewis, which Lewis knew and was comfortable with. With Lewis' career now in its twilight (although he's not done yet), Mercedes will be looking to the future and in Russell, I think they have a potential driver to carry them forward beyond Lewis. Going by Russell's drive in the Mercedes last year, it's only a matter of time before the 2 clash, in one way or another, as Russell will be out to assert himself and make Mercedes his.
 
moggi1964 said:
Could 2022 be a classic year?
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If the new regs work as intended and even the playing field, then maybe. The rules will always be interpreted differently by the teams though and I wouldn't mind betting Mercedes have something up their sleeves.

We'll see, I can't wait.
 
Dale. said:
If the new regs work as intended and even the playing field, then maybe. The rules will always be interpreted differently by the teams though and I wouldn't mind betting Mercedes have something up their sleeves.

We'll see, I can't wait.
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Mercedes have already stated that there was no further development on the current car and all efforts were going into the 2022 car. Red Bull continue to develop the current car as they're hell bent on getting the championship this year.
 
Jelster said:
Mercedes have already stated that there was no further development on the current car and all efforts were going into the 2022 car. Red Bull continue to develop the current car as they're hell bent on getting the championship this year.
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Yup, how I see it too. I've always believed that when Lewis jumped ship to Mercedes pre hybrid era, he knew that Mercedes had something coming with the hybrid cars that other teams didn't.

I think Mercedes will be well ahead again next year.
 
I honestly think Lewis might retire at the end of the season if he wins the championship.
 
Jimmy_Lemon said:
I honestly think Lewis might retire at the end of the season if he wins the championship.
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Unlikely, he already has a 2 year contract with Mercedes signed and in his pocket. He'll probably have a 'get out' clause but I think he'll want to drive the new regs and dominate that for a while too. An 8th title at least is within his grasp over the next few years too, I just don't think he's quite done yet and at 36, he still has a few years ahead of him.

I think it will be a case of Lewis getting up one morning and deciding he doesn't want to do it anymore, then that will be it. Until that happens, I see him around for a while yet.
 
AgentOrange76 said:
Not so sure, I think he will want to drive the 2022 regulations and wouldnt a 9th title prove hes the GOAT.
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F1 ceases to exist no driver can be GOAT, what if Lewis does 8 or even 9 championships, retires, then Russell -or Lando say-takes over and does 10? In the times of changing technology could today’s drivers have competed with Fangio, Surtees etc, or would the guys who went before have been even more successful?
 
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I would have thought that, if he loses the title this season, he may retire. Even if he lost to Max this season, he would still leave a hero. If he left it another year, he might slip further down.

Dave
 
mj4456 said:
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F1 ceases to exist no driver can be GOAT, what if Lewis does 8 or even 9 championships, retires, then Russell -or Lando say-takes over and does 10? In the times of changing technology could today’s drivers have competed with Fangio, Surtees etc, or would the guys who went before have been even more successful?
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Well turn that around, could the likes of Fangio or Surtees get their heads around modern technology? You put them in a car with more controls on the steering wheel than across a whole modern dashboard? Could they drive with brakes that don't work until you have got them hot enough?

It's all superfluous, right now, in the modern era, Hamilton is the best there has been. Will somebody achieve more? Maybe, but it will take a good few years yet.
 
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Fastest lap 1’19.119 (Kimi Raikkonen, 2018, qualifying three)
Maximum speed 350kph (217.48 mph)
Distance from grid to turn one 638m
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Three years ago I was at the Italian GP. It was fabulous, apart from the toilets, which were woefully under-provisioned. Do wish I'd been able to organise myself to get to it in 2019 as well, given it was a Ferrari victory.

Looking forward to sprint qualifying as overtaking is very possible.
 
Jelster said:
Well turn that around, could the likes of Fangio or Surtees get their heads around modern technology? You put them in a car with more controls on the steering wheel than across a whole modern dashboard? Could they drive with brakes that don't work until you have got them hot enough?
Pretty sure they would get a grip on it quickly, are you suggesting that drivers from previous eras were thick?
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Pretty sure they would get a grip on it quickly, are you suggesting that drivers from previous eras were thick?
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Just trying to make the point that F1 is very different these days, and generally the drivers are more intelligent and fitter than they were 50 years ago. They have to be, it's how the sport has progressed.
 
Jelster said:
Just trying to make the point that F1 is very different these days, and generally the drivers are more intelligent and fitter than they were 50 years ago. They have to be, it's how the sport has progressed.
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It’s how pretty much all sport has progressed. There’s not a great deal of value on these discussions as there can never be a definitive answer as there are so many parameters. Even numbers of championships or current world champions do not categorically mean you are the best driver out there.
 
rick448 said:
It’s how pretty much all sport has progressed. There’s not a great deal of value on these discussions as there can never be a definitive answer as there are so many parameters. Even numbers of championships or current world champions do not categorically mean you are the best driver out there.
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Totally agree, although surely being the world champion would put you as currently the best? I know the car makes a difference, but the best drivers always get the best cars, it's how the sport works.
 
Jelster said:
Totally agree, although surely being the world champion would put you as currently the best? I know the car makes a difference, but the best drivers always get the best cars, it's how the sport works.
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But do the potentially best 2 drivers get the best car?

I’d wager there were better number 2’s around in SCHU’s day and Aldi with HAM previously and now. Although I think RUSS will prove a decent challenge and that’ll be a great part of next season.

Either way, I think the sport is now improving snd hope the 2022 cars continue the trend. I’m not sure what the situation will be on tyres for next year, as obviously they is a huge element in results snd competitiveness.
 
rick448 said:
But do the potentially best 2 drivers get the best car?

I’d wager there were better number 2’s around in SCHU’s day and Aldi with HAM previously and now. Although I think RUSS will prove a decent challenge and that’ll be a great part of next season.

Either way, I think the sport is now improving snd hope the 2022 cars continue the trend. I’m not sure what the situation will be on tyres for next year, as obviously they is a huge element in results snd competitiveness.
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Well the best two cars have the best two drivers, there's no doubt about that. It generally transpires that the better drivers get signed by the bigger (and better) teams. So if you're good, and now you have an even better tool to do your job, you should out compete your competition. This year, the RBR is definitely the better car, but the Mercedes isn't far behind. It's always interesting to see how the 2nd drivers of these teams perform, that gives you some indication of the competence of the number 1 driver.
 
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Lap length 5.848km (3.634 miles)
Race laps 53
Race distance 309.745km (192.467 miles)
Pole position Left-hand side of the track
Lap record* 1’35.761 (Lewis Hamilton, 2019)
Fastest lap 1’31.387 (Valtteri Bottas, 2018, qualifying three)
Maximum speed 326kph (202.567 mph)
Distance from grid to turn one 890.6m
Full throttle 75%
Longest flat-out section 1073m
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Race distance 309.396km (192.25 miles)
Lap record* 1’24.770 (226.693 kph) by Juan Pablo Montoya, 2005
Fastest lap 1’24.770 (226.693 kph) by Juan Pablo Montoya, 2005
Maximum speed (2010) 321.4 kph (199.709 mph) by Lewis Hamilton, McLaren
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Fuel use per lap 2.7kg
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2010 United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes
2011 Germany Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault
2012 – 2019 Not held
2020 United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton Mercedes


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Race laps 56
Race distance 308.728km (191.835 miles)
Pole position Right-hand side of the track
Lap record* 1’39.347 (Sebastian Vettel, 2012)
Fastest lap 1’32.237 (Lewis Hamilton, 2018, qualifying three)
Maximum speed 325.3kph (202.132 mph)
Distance from grid to turn one 230.8m
Full throttle 59%
Longest flat-out section 1090m
Downforce level Medium
Gear changes per lap 66
Fuel use per lap 1.88kg
Time penalty per lap of fuel 0.071s
Pit lane time loss 18.6s

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2013 Germany Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault
2014 United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
2015 United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
2016 United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
2017 United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
2018 Finland Kimi Räikkönen Ferrari
2019 Finland Valtteri Bottas Mercedes
2020 Not held


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2021 Formula 1 Formula 1 Gran Premio De La Ciudad De México

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Lap length 4.304km (2.674 miles)
Race laps 71
Race distance 305.354km (189.738 miles)
Pole position Left-hand side of the track
Lap record* 1’20.521 (Nico Rosberg, 2015)
Fastest lap 1’14.759 (Daniel Ricciardo, 2018, qualifying three)
Maximum speed 349kph (216.858 mph)
Distance from grid to turn one 890m
Full throttle 45%
Longest flat-out section 1200m
Gear changes per lap 52
Fuel use per lap 1.41kg
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2018 Netherlands Max Verstappen Red Bull Racing-TAG Heuer
2019 United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
2020 Not held


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So, with time running out, is Lewis going to overcome Max this season. About 3 or 4 races ago I thought he would, but now I’m starting to have doubts. Max has been pretty good all season and shown that he is maturing into a potential champion and the Red Bull certainly looks like the best car out there, Mercedes seem to be struggling and Lewis in particular looks like he’s got the needle.
 
Only going to take one of them to NF (or even NS!) to change things completely. Enjoying the closeness of the season - between 2 different cars rather than 2 from the same team for a change!
 
I doubt that Lewis can win now but I hope he does. If Max wins the Championship, I do think Lewis would be best to retire and pursue other interests. This would leave to younger generation of George Russell and Lando Norris to challenge Max next season.

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2021 Formula 1 Heineken Grande Prêmio De São Paulo

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Lap length 4.309km (2.677 miles)
Race laps 71
Race distance 305.909km (190.083 miles)
Pole position Right-hand side of the track
Lap record* 1’11.473 (Juan Pablo Montoya, 2004)
Fastest lap 1’07.281 (Lewis Hamilton, 2018, qualifying three)
Maximum speed 331kph (205.674 mph)
Distance from grid to turn one 195m
Full throttle 64%
Longest flat-out section 1,394m
Downforce level High
Gear changes per lap 36
Fuel use per lap 1.35kg
Time penalty per lap of fuel 0.042s
Pit lane time loss 18.6s

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2011 Australia Mark Webber Red Bull Racing-Renault
2012 United Kingdom Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes
2013 Germany Sebastian Vettel Red Bull Racing-Renault
2014 Germany Nico Rosberg Mercedes
2015 Germany Nico Rosberg Mercedes
2016 United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
2017 Germany Sebastian Vettel Ferrari
2018 United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
2019 Netherlands Max Verstappen Red Bull Racing-Honda
2020 Cancelled due to the COVID-19 pandemic


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