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Unnecessary game changer imo. As JJ said, the number of files that you'll end up with and the storage space will just become crazy.Wow. I thought 14fps was insane. GAME CHANGER.
Unnecessary game changer imo. As JJ said, the number of files that you'll end up with and the storage space will just become crazy.Wow. I thought 14fps was insane. GAME CHANGER.
But then it's no longer a silent shutterYeah but you have the option of various generated shutter sounds which can be turned on or off and set to various sound levels.
Many people probably said that when the original 1d came out?Unnecessary game changer imo. As JJ said, the number of files that you'll end up with and the storage space will just become crazy.
No it won't. You still need to compose your shot. Get the right light. Angle etc etc. The camera doesn't do that for youAnd another part of the art of photography would be gone.
But then it's no longer a silent shutter
And less moving parts and less shutter shock vibrationOne advantage of these little noises is that you can set them so low that in reality you're the only one who hears them and they're therefore useful as they tell you you've actually taken the shot which you might not be too sure of when shooting with a silent shutter. I don't bother, I just use the silent shutter.
You're right you can shoot slower or even single shot ... but thats why it isn't a *GAME CHANGER*. A Game Changer is something which blows everything else away ... you have pretty much agreed with @snerkler that 20fps is more than you need; so all it is is headline boasting. Yes it has a purpose, but its not a game changer. Apart from the silent shutter; I'm failing to see much in the admittedly impressive spec's which will actually change significantly the photos which come from (its target market) of sports photographers who are using Nikon D5 or Canon 1DX II. It might be a game changer in terms of mirrorless cameras ... but thats not what people are claiming ... they are claiming its a game changer for CAMERAS.Many people probably said that when the original 1d came out?
People also say that about mp. Remember the d800? Loads moaned about file sizes etc
Also. You do know it's optional to shoot at that speed. You can shoot at medium or low fps or single shot.
i think the only game change is no blackout. even the 1dx has blackout.You're right you can shoot slower or even single shot ... but thats why it isn't a *GAME CHANGER*. A Game Changer is something which blows everything else away ... you have pretty much agreed with @snerkler that 20fps is more than you need; so all it is is headline boasting. Yes it has a purpose, but its not a game changer. Apart from the silent shutter; I'm failing to see much in the admittedly impressive spec's which will actually change significantly the photos which come from (its target market) of sports photographers who are using Nikon D5 or Canon 1DX II. It might be a game changer in terms of mirrorless cameras ... but thats not what people are claiming ... they are claiming its a game changer for CAMERAS.
(PS. no one was saying about the frame rate of the original 1D as it was slower - iirc - than the film cameras of the day)
I would suggest there is also a difference between MP and file sizes which can be handled by increasing the computer's power ... and being able to sort through many more photos is a factor of human endurance / human ability.
But you can get rolling shutter effect and banding under some artificial lighting so it's not all good. I've had several micro four third shots ruined by banding as I don't always remember to switch back to the mechanical shutter.And less moving parts and less shutter shock vibration
i think the only game change is no blackout. even the 1dx has blackout.
20fps is no game changer i agree.
I'm not sure thats a game changer either ... but then I'm not a sports photographer.i think the only game change is no blackout. even the 1dx has blackout.
It is, just like watching a movie through the viewfinder.....For no black out they must have some seriously fast electronics in the camera.
Those two statements (seam) like a contradiction ...1. 400mm DO mk2 canon lens works like a native lens on the A9.
2. Using adapted lens such as the LA3? reduces the fps to 10fps
I'm not sure thats a game changer either ... but then I'm not a sports photographer.
But as I wrote earlier and think bares repeating...
You are right that the technology *could* be a game changer, but it's nothing without the things the specs don't tell you ... the background support, the handling, the response time, how it actually focuses in real world conditions, etc.
10-15 years ago I would have been excited about the technology, these days I feel the technology is just a means to an end and there are many more abstract things which define if a camera is good ... or even a game changer!
How?Those two statements (seam) like a contradiction ...
I was thinking more of the 1600 lenses and 78 technical staff Canon sent to the Rio Olympics...1. background support(you mean after sale support? they have opened two Sony pro camera centres in America and i imagine more to come?)
The rolling shutter effect is due to the time takes for the sensor to be sequentially read, the new sensor is claimed to be 20x faster, if it is then rolling shutter effect will be reduced considerably.But you can get rolling shutter effect and banding under some artificial lighting so it's not all good. I've had several micro four third shots ruined by banding as I don't always remember to switch back to the mechanical shutter.
I can't even to begin to think how many thousands of $$$$$$$ of camera gear are in that room.I was thinking more of the 1600 lenses and 78 technical staff Canon sent to the Rio Olympics...
Thats what I said "seams" like a contradiction ... you mean the Canon focuses the same as a native lens, but adapted lenses (which would include a Canon lens) is limited to 10fps.How?
FPS speed has no relation to AF speed and accuracy. They are two seperate things.
He did not specify what FPS he was shooting though on the 400MM DO but he was shooting in AF-C mode and it tracked and focus just as fast as native apparently.
The way Sony advances its AF system, i dont think many would be surprised if it did focus as fast and accurate as a 1dx2? the A7r2 a 2 year old camera is not far off that. i say 70% when shooting with a canon lens below 200mm..
My canon 24-70 f2.8 lens works just as good on my a7r2 to a 5d4!! This is what stopped me for getting the native G master lens lol
Sony made a statement a whole back saying they aim to be a big presents in the next olympics .I was thinking more of the 1600 lenses and 78 technical staff Canon sent to the Rio Olympics...
Thats what I said "seams" like a contradiction ... you mean the Canon focuses the same as a native lens, but adapted lenses (which would include a Canon lens) is limited to 10fps.
70% of the focus ability of a Canon on the A7r2 is a LONG way off (IMO). Its not the 70 or even 90% of the best thats hard to get, its the final few percent.
Please don't get me wrong ... I'm not suggesting the A9 isn't good or that Nikon/Canon are better ... I just hate all the gushing we get online before almost anyone has used it. I also doubt the "there are no negatives" attitude (but thats just my curmudgeonly attitude).
My scale may differ from yours heheThats what I said "seams" like a contradiction ... you mean the Canon focuses the same as a native lens, but adapted lenses (which would include a Canon lens) is limited to 10fps.
70% of the focus ability of a Canon on the A7r2 is a LONG way off (IMO). Its not the 70 or even 90% of the best thats hard to get, its the final few percent.
Please don't get me wrong ... I'm not suggesting the A9 isn't good or that Nikon/Canon are better ... I just hate all the gushing we get online before almost anyone has used it. I also doubt the "there are no negatives" attitude (but thats just my curmudgeonly attitude).
Me too, going back to Sony would be a pointless GAS exercise and a very costly one.My scale may differ from yours hehe
i understand about gushing over stuff that hasnt been released yet.
But im a kid inside and whenever some new tech comes i get excited lol.
Lets wait and see
It's ok, just wait for the A9R and A9S to be released and everyone will be saying the A9 is a terrible camera ;0)
A statement of desire and the ability to do it and make an impression is a lot different.Sony made a statement a whole back saying they aim to be a big presents in the next olympics.
Yes1. have the camera capable for sports(A9)
Its more a dipping their foot in the pool ... as someone said above ... what are they going to be able to release in the next 2 to 2 1/2 years2. Have lenses capable for sports(almost there, the 100-400 is a good start)
You realise the next Olympics is in Tokyo not America don't you? Okay the NEXT Olympics is in South Korea but who's going to want to take a Sony into the winter weather (and yes that was meant to be a joke)3. Have a pro customer service centres(2 are being opened in America within the next month or two?)
IF ... yes IF.If they can release 400, 500 and 600mm primes within the next 3 years plus have more Pro customer services as well as a a Sony technical staff centre in Tokyo, then were good to go? Doable within the next 3 years.
I do want them to succeed ... I just aren't blind to the issues they face. The camera may be great ... but there is a lot more to them making a success.Dont you want them to succed?
Give Nikon time ... if the losses (which weren't in the camera division really and wasn't actually loosing MONEY) and cuts are a real reorganisation; then what comes out the end could make it a good thing.Right now its just canon and Nikon. Nikon seem to be in trouble if news of them making losses and cuts is to be believed. we need more competition
I don't even use my Fuji XT-2 to its abilities and that has 11 fps!
Thats what I'm saying!Lets wait and see
Oh I'm watching the video now ... apparently after sale support isn't going to matter because it isn't going to break ... yeah right! No moving parts = less repairs ... I guess he's never used a computer!!the youtube link i sent u is from a Sports photographer who tells you how no blackout is a game changer for sports pros.
Here are a few things to respond to your post above:
1. background support(you mean after sale support? they have opened two Sony pro camera centres in America and i imagine more to come?)
Its only a waste of money if its sitting in your shelf collecting dust but if you use it alot then how is it a waste of money?^^This
I get that GAS is a difficult thing to ignore but you are the prime example of someone who bought the best of everything off the shelf then found that you didn't need it and felt conscious of the amount of cash you were carrying around your neck.
Obviously we can all spend our money how we like but dropping £4500 on an A9 because it's the shiny new toy seems like a waste of £4500 to me personally.
Its only a waste of money if its sitting in your shelf collecting dust but if you use it alot then how is it a waste of money?
Many of us would buy various overpriced lenses and cameras and i reckon we would be using them. Maybe not all of its features but we would still be using them!
Lifes too short as well. enjoy it
Oh I'm watching the video now ... apparently after sale support isn't going to matter because it isn't going to break ... yeah right! No moving parts = less repairs ... I guess he's never used a computer!!
I was thinking more of the 1600 lenses and 78 technical staff Canon sent to the Rio Olympics...
yup i know. but using kit you enjoy sometimes gives you the motivation to capture some magical stuff.Like I say, we can all spend our money how we like but getting the result isn't always about the kit we use. Have fun.
+11. Using gear you enjoy handling and working with
2. Being in a new place or capturing a subject or new style of shooting.
3. Having a good mindset prior to shooting(haing a positive mind in life etc)
from what ive seen of your posts your very Nikon biased and dislike mirror less, so perhaps your the last person who will get excited about this camera, mind you with Nikons record on shutters made from oil and butter perhaps the Sony will prove relatively reliableOh I'm watching the video now ... apparently after sale support isn't going to matter because it isn't going to break ... yeah right! No moving parts = less repairs ... I guess he's never used a computer!!
I'm a Nikon shooter yes ... but in the past I've owned Canon and Minolta digital. When buying back into digital cameras I tried the whole range. I don't like EVFs ... I don't get why everyone is so excited about them ... I prefer the view finder of my D3200 to the view finder of a Sony A7. I just have found more negatives from mirrorless cameras I have tried and find DSLRs a more complete, rounded option. I should add that I have zero interest in video so perhaps that is part of it too.from what ive seen of your posts your very Nikon biased and dislike mirror less, so perhaps your the last person who will get excited about this camera, mind you with Nikons record on shutters made from oil and butter perhaps the Sony will prove relatively reliable
my post was just leg pulling.I'm a Nikon shooter yes ... but in the past I've owned Canon and Minolta digital. When buying back into digital cameras I tried the whole range. I don't like EVFs ... I don't get why everyone is so excited about them ... I prefer the view finder of my D3200 to the view finder of a Sony A7. I just have found more negatives from mirrorless cameras I have tried and find DSLRs a more complete, rounded option. I should add that I have zero interest in video so perhaps that is part of it too.
Things like IBS I question the advantage over in lens VR for example. Yes IBS is great and offers 5 stop advantage (or whatever) with a 50mm lens. But what about a 100mm lens ... a 400mm lens. IBS is a supplement to VR not an alternative (IMO). But thats not the way of internet reporting these days ... we don't say "yes its good BUT in limited situations" ... I don't know weather thats because the bloggers don't understand the limitations or just like to gush over the positives. (I'm just watching some videos on the A9 at the moment so some of my comments are general rather than specifically in response to comments here). Its all the people just repeating Sony's press release about becoming #2 in Full Frame sales without looking and questioning it. Its the world we live in of selective facts and alternative truths.
In defence of my views on mirrorless ... I do like the little Olympus but I can't afford to buy into two camera systems.
Oh and if you didn't realise though ... that post was intended as a joke!
(PS. I don't get excited about any technology releases these days - when I get one in my hands in a store then I might get excited)