The Official Fuji X10/X20/X30/XF1/XQ1 Thread

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Great pictures from David and Graham!

I particularly like number 7 from David and the B&W from Graham :D
 
minnnt said:
Another early morning outing rendered these images for me... :)
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I like those David, particularly #3 and #7.
grum said:
Few shots from my trip - only took the XF1:
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Great to see the XF1 working in the cold and atmospherics of altitude, nice shots by any standard, good to see the Fuji coping well. very well:) with snow exposures.
 
Hi all, i've been looking across this thread quiet quickly because it's a bit long with its 15 pages long. I'm interested to buy a X20 but I'm not in a big rush so I might be waiting to see when the X30 come out and if it offer a big step foward). The reason why I'm interested is that I like to travel light and I'm fed up to carry my dslr with 3 lens in holidays!

I've read a lot of review and had a look at your pictures but I have a few questions:

1) is the aperture of f2.0 offer the same DOF than at similar aperture on a DSLR? or is there some kind of size of the sensor effect behind this?
2) like on most slr is there a sharpness increase when you move to aperture closer to 5?
3) what do you think of the bokeh produce by the X20? It looks a bit smudgy and artificial to me but I'm not an expert.

4) can you shot in RAW + JPEG but using one of the effect (like the film simulation) on the JPEG at the same time?
5) what are the limitation of the X20, what can you not do that you can with a DSLR?
Hope I'm not being intrusive in this topic but it's the x10-x20 topic and hopefully from what I read it will be the x30 out in feb/march 2014!
 
Lemaildetom said:
Hi all, i've been looking across this thread quiet quickly because it's a bit long with its 15 pages long. I'm interested to buy a X20 but I'm not in a big rush so I might be waiting to see when the X30 come out and if it offer a big step foward). The reason why I'm interested is that I like to travel light and I'm fed up to carry my dslr with 3 lens in holidays!

I've read a lot of review and had a look at your pictures but I have a few questions:

1) is the aperture of f2.0 offer the same DOF than at similar aperture on a DSLR? or is there some kind of size of the sensor effect behind this?
2) like on most slr is there a sharpness increase when you move to aperture closer to 5?
3) what do you think of the bokeh produce by the X20? It looks a bit smudgy and artificial to me but I'm not an expert.

4) can you shot in RAW + JPEG but using one of the effect (like the film simulation) on the JPEG at the same time?
5) what are the limitation of the X20, what can you not do that you can with a DSLR?
Hope I'm not being intrusive in this topic but it's the x10-x20 topic and hopefully from what I read it will be the x30 out in feb/march 2014!
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It is not a DSLR so should not be compared to a DSLRr. There are no DSLR's with this size sensor to compare with. All Smaller sensors do seem to have a greater depth of field than one might expect.
All lens's get near to their maximum quality two stops closed down. The X20 is no exception, but is more than usable wide open.
The X20 lens produces a quite nice bokeh but like on all cameras it can also depend on the processing you give to the shot.
You can shoot Raw+jpeg ... Raw images are just that, Unprocessed. However some raw processors can adjust for some of the "as taken" settings.

The X20 is a general purpose camera Ideal for a walk about use. It is not a specialist camera so can not change lens's... so for specialist uses where special lenses are needed Like Sports photography it is not what is needed.

I find the Zoom range to size ratio pretty much ideal.
The sensor is excellent and far sharper than most compacts.
People easily fall in love with using it even if they have top range DSLR's for specialist uses.

It would not be a first choice camera for prints much larger than A3. where a full frame DSLR might be thought essential.
 
Lemaildetom said:
1) is the aperture of f2.0 offer the same DOF than at similar aperture on a DSLR? or is there some kind of size of the sensor effect behind this?
2) like on most slr is there a sharpness increase when you move to aperture closer to 5?
3) what do you think of the bokeh produce by the X20? It looks a bit smudgy and artificial to me but I'm not an expert.

4) can you shot in RAW + JPEG but using one of the effect (like the film simulation) on the JPEG at the same time?
5) what are the limitation of the X20, what can you not do that you can with a DSLR?
Hope I'm not being intrusive in this topic but it's the x10-x20 topic and hopefully from what I read it will be the x30 out in feb/march 2014!
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1) I'm afraid not. The smaller the sensor, the greater the DoF at any given aperture.
2) As above, it does improve a little when stopped down a little but it's very useable all the way through the range.
3) I'm not a fan of bokeh so don't take much notice of it. The OOF parts of the image don't grate though!
4) Not sure, I only ever shoot JPEGs.
5) Wider than 28mm or longer than 112mm (35mm EFL). True Macro (1:1). Heavy crops and still print big. Fisheye shots. Be overweight when getting hand baggage weighed at airports...

Unless the X-30 offers a lot more, I'll be sticking with my X-20. It does most of what I want it to apart from slip into a shirt pocket and I have an XF-1 that does that (basically an X-10 behind a different lens). It hasn't replaced my DSLRs but is far easier to carry around! Again, as above, A3 prints are very good, even SOOC (after a little playing with in camera JPEG settings). If anything, I would be tempted to wait for the X-30's release because X-20 prices will tumble then!
 
Thanks for your comments terry and nod, this is very usefull. It's difficult not to compare to DSLR because that's what I'm use too I never had a point and shot.

I saw that fuji also do some bridge which come with same sensor, weatherproofed, raw file, all same jpeg effect, huge zoom. It's even wider starting at 24mm! It can also be a really good travelling kit with some really good zoom possiblility. Just a size up and slighlty slower lens (f2.8 instead of f2).

I've just discovered the all camera range of fuji and it is very tempting and they all seems to have very good review.

I hope the x30 comes out soon to make a decision.
 
Thanks for the comments folks. Generally very pleased with the IQ of the camera.
There's a few odd querks though - such as in Auto ISO mode sometimes it selects an unnecessarily high ISO, causing the image to be overexposed. Am I doing something wrong there?
 
grum said:
Thanks for the comments folks. Generally very pleased with the IQ of the camera.
There's a few odd querks though - such as in Auto ISO mode sometimes it selects an unnecessarily high ISO, causing the image to be overexposed. Am I doing something wrong there?
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I don't think you can know what criteria it is using to select the Iso. It could be the nature of the subject the general light level or the contrast from highlight to shadow.
as it is a complex algorithm.

However it should get the exposure right for the Iso set..
 
I find the spot meter is quite narrow minded, taking its reading from the selected focus point, so if that area's a bit dark, it'll send the whole scene overexposed. However, I would expect that in all cases, not just in auto ISO. I keep all my baby Xs set to MULTI rather than SPOT unless there's a very specific spot I want to meter from. Similarly, I tend to keep my SLRs set to Centre Weighted rather than Spot or Matrix. I also tend to steer clear of Auto ISO. Being a dinosaur (or at best, a protomammal!), I still think that high ASA=extra grain, although since the D200, all my cameras have delivered reasonably clean shots up to ISO 1600! I try to keep the baby Xs under 800 but know they'll deliver useable images at 1600 and will cope with 3200 at a push.
MUST get around to having a complete exploration of the thing! Only just whacked the sensitivity right up, all the way to 12,800. Set to B&W, it's vaguely reminiscent of FP4 pushed to 1,600 - very grainy/noisy but still reasonable tones. TBH, the same can be said for all my kit - forgotten a fair bit of what it can do! Oddly, I can remember the older stuff way better than the past year or 2.
 
I rarely go above ISO800; it was the same with film. I posted a couple of, no flash/higher ISOs, from the X20 on page 7, not very impressive.
This is a shot without flash from the X10 at ISO800.The camera was on Program AE, auto ISO.

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Like Nod says, B&W looks OK with a bit of FP4 grain (noise).

minnnt,
David that’s a cracking set, I love low angle shots. It gives a completely new dimension.

Rhodese.
 
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Thanks very much Rhodese. I have a d7000 coming next week but tbh, the images produced from the xf1 are that nice that I will probably just use that unless I'm going somewhere to specifically take photos. It's a great addition to have in your pocket when out and about.
 
David, I used to use the X10 now an X20, as an addition to my DSLR but, as time went by I realized that it was the little X that I was using the most. Now unless it’s something specific I only take the X20 with me, its so liberating.

Rhodese.
 
I'm getting very interrested with this X20. I whish I could hire it to give it a go before to buy but I can't seem to find any uk site which would rent it. As I leave in the northern isle of scotland I can't really see it before to buy it.

Another short question. Because I'm thinking in travelling and not having electricity. Is it possible to charge the camera via the usb port?
 
If you have no electricity how will a USB help.
You can certainly get a car adapter just about any where . But more importantly you need a few batteries ( I have 4) A look NP50alike works as well as any.

You can get a USB charger on EBay but I can not see the advantage.
 
AFAIK, there's no way to charge the battery while it's in the camera. I have a multi charger which can do any of my camera batteries or a pair of AA/AAA cells. It's a Hahnel UniPal plus and was priced at (IIRC) £30 in LCE but was given to me since a second hand compact I bought from them was missing the "proper" one (the compact was only £30!). It has a 12V car lead as well as a mains power supply.
 
I was trying some long exposures tonight on the XF-1 and was struggling with it. Set to M mode and I was unable to set a shutter speed longer than 1/4 sec. Messed about with ISO settings, took the battery out for a cold reboot etc and eventually was able to set a longer shutter exposure of several seconds. However, I don't know what stopped me doing it before - any ideas? ISO was set to manual 100, camera in full manual...
 
No idea I'm afraid, LW. Mine would both go down to 30" in M @ISO100.
 
I don't know! It's working fine now though. I presume it was a seeing rather than a fault, will check next time if I've accidentally set bracketing on!
 
Nice set there David not had chance to use mine properly yet. What settings are people using I tend to use aperture priority also as anyone changed the sharpness And nr settings.
 
Thanks Thunderbird. I also tend to use aperture priority mode. It suits my style of photography as I like to blur backgrounds alot although I have found myself doing alot of landscape stuff aince getting the xf1. The wide end is fab for fitting alot in. Just wish it was 12mp in 16:9. I haven't really changed anything other than going to RAW format and the Velvia film simulation which saturates the colours a little more than the Standard setting.

Thats a very nice panoramic shot AESamuel. I like it!
 
Hi mate. Thanks for the comments. :)

A grad was added in Lr5 to darken the sky a touch, (somewhere between -0.5 and -1 stop) then the shadow and black slider was slid to +10 and the highlights and whites pulled back to -10. I also boosted the Clarity, Vibrance and Saturation to +10. Finally I increased the sharpening from the standard +25 to +50. Some were cropped to give the aspect I wanted.

Nothing major, I used to have to do alot more PP with my Sony a37 files.

D range was set to 100%. I tried to alter it to 200% but it wouldn't let me and I'm not sure why? Dynamic range is such a nice touch to have on board for challenging conditions like these. The difference between the sky and ground was immense and pretty difficult to meter for. I exposed for the sky in the end and did pretty much the same PP to them all as stated above.
 
Thunderbird010 said:
Nice set there David not had chance to use mine properly yet. What settings are people using I tend to use aperture priority also as anyone changed the sharpness And nr settings.
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Hi, If it's of any help my wife has an XF camera and shoots JPEG files with it. I have found that since reducing the NR setting to minimum the images that she gets do not block up as much as when she was shooting at the standard setting. The standard setting for NR does seem to be a little on the harsh side and I have found I can get much better results from her images if I apply some NR if any is needed in PP.

She has left the sharpness setting at standard and this appears to be about right.

Hope this helps.
 
Just to add, I try not to go too crazy with the sliders as it just brings noise into the equation which is a a pet hate of mine.

The files from the xf1 are pretty impressive to my amateur eye and I look forward to using it more and learning more.
 
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