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What does a Sales person need to Know?


After reading through another thread about where to buy a new camera, I came to the conclusion that Photographers expectations are too high when it comes to the specialist knowledge of sale personnel.

The primary function of a sales person is to sell
To do this they need to have a sufficient understanding of a customers needs and how to satisfy them. They need to have the skills to engage a customer and sell, be it a box of matches or an aeroplane.

In the case of Photographic equipment the required knowledge base is now vast. In the 60’s every camera had the same few controls, and worked the same way. If you knew how to work one. you could work a vast majority of them. True, a few had their quirks, but they were the exception. A salesperson with a general knowledge of photography was the norm. Selling was easy.
Since that time cameras and accessories have become increasingly complex and specialised, to the point where digital cameras now have unique ways of doing things that are all their own.
Almost every user has to go through a learning curve, to even have a basic knowledge of how to work a new model. What chance does a young sales assistant have to know the ins and outs of every model in stock, or what accessory will work with which. And by the time they have some sort of handle on them, new models come out….. Even if a sales person has a wide knowledge of photography they can soon be out of their depth on the specifics of individual cameras.

A Photographers looking for new kit has a far easier task, as they can spend time researching just a few major items that take their fancy. They can soon gather a specialist knowledge about what ever they want. They may strike it lucky and find a sales person who has also researched those particular items, and who can discuss their needs in a constructive way, but more likely they will only have a superficial knowledge of those particular items.

However a sales person has one major advantaged over a customer. He knows that anyone entering and looking around has an interest and is a potential customer and is open to persuasion to buy.. It is the job of the sales person to convert that interest into a sale. A highly skilled sales person will rarely fail to do so. However such skills are in short supply. And they do not come on minimum wages and a 9 to 5 attitude. Nor are many are found in the photographic world, and at counter level.

We the photographic customer are very much on our own, we generally have the greater knowledge and all the advantages. When we visit a store, we mostly know what we want to see, we want to handle and compare between a few possible choices. What the sales person says in answer to our few questions is more likely to cause amusement or annoyance, rather than create a sale. We are of course the superior being.

When we have finished our perusal to our satisfaction, and done our best to bully down the price. We leave with out a care in the world and buy on line, or possibly a grey import.

The poor sales assistant is left duly smashed and disheartened, only to be intimately interrogated and smashed down again by their manager. No wonder they are seen lurking, huddled and in fear at the back of the store when the next customer enters.
 
The same as what many tradesman have these days.... the basics to get by.
 
When we have finished our perusal to our satisfaction, and done our best to bully down the price. We leave with out a care in the world and buy on line, or possibly a grey import.

I've never done this. If what I want is in the shop I'll buy it :D but the problem is that a lot of things are just not in the shops these days so I'm forced to buy more and more on line. I'd much rather walk into a shop and buy but it's increasingly just not always possible.
 
I've never done this. If what I want is in the shop I'll buy it :D but the problem is that a lot of things are just not in the shops these days so I'm forced to buy more and more on line. I'd much rather walk into a shop and buy but it's increasingly just not always possible.

absolutely. and even if they offer to get something in, it is usually at top dollar and sometime in the future.
I buy far more of everything on line these days.
The same as what many tradesman have these days.... the basics to get by.


Most trades/repair men will replace just about anything, but would not know how to open anything up and fix it.
 
I don’t think anybody in the other thread (me included) expects a sales person to know the ins and outs of every camera. The problem is that many sales people don’t even have the basic knowledge.

The sales person needs to know what camera to recommend for certain types of photography. They need to understand the pros and cons of different focal lengths. Why a certain tripod is better suited to another, why I should be opting for a ball head over a three way panning head. Etc.

Mostly, they need to be able to have a meaningful conversation with somebody like you and me who is a photographer.
 
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Part of the problem is that shops employ the cheapest part time staff they can find.
I've found in the past that when you employ theres generally two types. Those who are reliable but not great, those who are great but don't turn up for work half the time. Yes every now and then a good one will come along but they are like gold.
The photography shops greatest issue for me is they are often told to say anything to get a sale. All too often you'll be told it does XY and Z but when you check it wont do any of them.
Now this isn't a problem if you go in knowing exactly what you want, but if you need to ask you've had it.
 
I don’t think anybody in the other thread (me included) expects a sales person to know the ins and outs of every camera. The problem is that many sales people don’t even have the basic knowledge.

The sales person needs to know what camera to recommend for certain types of photography. They need to understand the pros and cons of different focal lengths. Why a certain tripod is better suited to another, why I should be opting for a ball head over a three way panning head. Etc.

Mostly, they need to be able to have a meaningful conversation with somebody like you and me who is a photographer.

It would be nice if that was the reasonable expectation. However I do not think I have had a meaningfull discussion with a photographic sales person in the past 50 years.
I know some exist but not anywher I know.
I do not think a camera shop is the place for customers to learn about photography, or to learn the whys or wherefores between various choices.

To day an employer will expect a sales person to maximise sales, over customer education. Short term gains from sales today, wins over possible sales in the future.
If you don't close a sale there and then you have probably lost it.
 
What does a Sales person need to Know?


After reading through another thread about where to buy a new camera, I came to the conclusion that Photographers expectations are too high when it comes to the specialist knowledge of sale personnel.

The primary function of a sales person is to sell
To do this they need to have a sufficient understanding of a customers needs and how to satisfy them. They need to have the skills to engage a customer and sell, be it a box of matches or an aeroplane.

In the case of Photographic equipment the required knowledge base is now vast. In the 60’s every camera had the same few controls, and worked the same way. If you knew how to work one. you could work a vast majority of them. True, a few had their quirks, but they were the exception. A salesperson with a general knowledge of photography was the norm. Selling was easy.
Since that time cameras and accessories have become increasingly complex and specialised, to the point where digital cameras now have unique ways of doing things that are all their own.
Almost every user has to go through a learning curve, to even have a basic knowledge of how to work a new model. What chance does a young sales assistant have to know the ins and outs of every model in stock, or what accessory will work with which. And by the time they have some sort of handle on them, new models come out….. Even if a sales person has a wide knowledge of photography they can soon be out of their depth on the specifics of individual cameras.

A Photographers looking for new kit has a far easier task, as they can spend time researching just a few major items that take their fancy. They can soon gather a specialist knowledge about what ever they want. They may strike it lucky and find a sales person who has also researched those particular items, and who can discuss their needs in a constructive way, but more likely they will only have a superficial knowledge of those particular items.

However a sales person has one major advantaged over a customer. He knows that anyone entering and looking around has an interest and is a potential customer and is open to persuasion to buy.. It is the job of the sales person to convert that interest into a sale. A highly skilled sales person will rarely fail to do so. However such skills are in short supply. And they do not come on minimum wages and a 9 to 5 attitude. Nor are many are found in the photographic world, and at counter level.

We the photographic customer are very much on our own, we generally have the greater knowledge and all the advantages. When we visit a store, we mostly know what we want to see, we want to handle and compare between a few possible choices. What the sales person says in answer to our few questions is more likely to cause amusement or annoyance, rather than create a sale. We are of course the superior being.

When we have finished our perusal to our satisfaction, and done our best to bully down the price. We leave with out a care in the world and buy on line, or possibly a grey import.

The poor sales assistant is left duly smashed and disheartened, only to be intimately interrogated and smashed down again by their manager. No wonder they are seen lurking, huddled and in fear at the back of the store when the next customer enters.

The thing I find most amusing about your post is the time you wasted typing that nonsense up.
 
The thing I find most amusing about your post is the time you wasted typing that nonsense up.

What ever grinds your gears? But I am sure what I wrote is the the same in NI.
 
It would be nice if that was the reasonable expectation. However I do not think I have had a meaningfull discussion with a photographic sales person in the past 50 years.
I know some exist but not anywher I know.
I do not think a camera shop is the place for customers to learn about photography, or to learn the whys or wherefores between various choices.

To day an employer will expect a sales person to maximise sales, over customer education. Short term gains from sales today, wins over possible sales in the future.
If you don't close a sale there and then you have probably lost it.

Who said anything about education? Nobody expects to learn the art of photography or how to use a specific camera in a camera store.
What should be expected is that the sales person has an ounce of knowledge about the product he/she is selling you and about photography in general.

Sales is about building relationships and trust. That's what drives repeat spend. There is far more to sales then the one off sale with little to no margin.

I've recently bought a house and have been doing some renovations and have converted the garage into an office space for myself. I'm not a builder or a plumber but I've done everything myself, however not knowing everything about building and plumbing etc I've often had to ask advice. B&Q staff where as useless as a chocolate teapot but Screwfix on the other hand were always willing to help and give advise, as were the plumbers merchants and builders merchants. I returned to them time and time again spending near on £6K. B&Q never saw me again.

I didn't expect them to teach me how to be a builder or a plumber, I just needed sound advice on certain things.
 
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I worked in retail from leaving school at 16 until my early 30s, and one of the most important things I learnt was to never judge people on appearances, and to treat everyone with respect and the same politeness. I think this should be instilled into shop assistants/salespeople from day one. Sadly, particularly in some 'up-market' establishments this didn't always seem to happen.

Years ago I wanted to buy a new suit to wear at a friend's wedding, so I went into my local town, which was quite an up-market place and had a good gentleman's outfitters, from which I'd bought some nice jackets during the previous year or so and was usually served by the owner's son, who knew one of my group of friends. The shop had their own customer parking right outside and I had just parked my car (which at the time was a Land Rover - before they became trendy!) and was just locking it up when one of the more 'senior' shop assistants came out and the following conversation ensued:

"Excuse me! This is customer parking only"
"Yes, I can see that from the sign on that pillar" - pointing at the sign.
"Are you coming into our shop?"
"Well, that was the general idea, why?."
"Oh."

The old duffer (think Mr Granger from Are You Being Served) obviously thought that someone who drove a Land Rover couldn't possibly be one of their customers! So I thought I'd have a bit of fun and be just as snooty and abrupt as he was being! So I followed him into the shop.

"How can we help you?".
"I'd like to buy a new suit".
"I see, well here's some we have at half price in the sale" - gesturing towards a small rack in the middle of the shop.
"Very nice... now can I see the ones that aren't in the sale please?" - never even looking towards the sale rack.

'Mr Granger' seemed a bit flummoxed by the put-down.

"Can I ask how much you wanted to spend?"
"Can I let you into a little secret? I don't really care... as long as it's a top quality suit and it fits me perfectly!".

At which point 'Mr Granger' suddenly became very helpful! :rolleyes:

I soon found just what I was looking for (it was a good shop, that's the reason I'd put up with 'Mr Granger'!) and said I'd take it, then I said "Oh, John usually gives me some discount". 'John' being the shop owner's son. 'Mr G' then had to phone 'John' (who was working at their other shop that day) and let me speak to him for a chat, so he could work out who I was! I was then given a good discount on the suit ...and 'Mr Granger's' face was an absolute picture by that stage! I never mentioned my experience that day to 'John', but I hoped 'Mr Granger' had perhaps learnt his lesson and wouldn't judge people on first appearances after that.

So never judge a book by it's cover, treat everyone with courtesy and respect, as you never know who's who... or who knows who!

However, from the other side of the counter, I think it would be a good idea for everyone to work for at least 6 months in a retail shop, that way they might know how to behave when they go shopping in one! (y)
 
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So never judge a book by it's cover, treat everyone with courtesy and respect, as you never know who's who... or who knows who!

How very true. A friend of mine (in car sales) had a customer walk in to the showroom and start asking about a new Jaguar XKRS (about £100,000), the customer was in his mid 20s and driving a Polo Harlequin. Little did he know, the youth had just won the Euromillions! Over the years I’ve experienced this on a number of occasions

I think car salesmen should take note of this statement :LOL:

Rather a sweeping statement. Nothing like following a stereotype.
 
When businesses insist on paying minimum wage to under 25`s who look good, you do tend to get sales people who are not great.
 
Just as it is impossible to judge customers,
It is impossible to judge the knowledge and helpfullness of sales people
Unless you let them demonstrate it.

While at college in the 50's I worked part time for a few weeks at the Harrow photo centre, owned by the leading authority in th UK of Rolleiflex cameras. Who wrote the Rollie manual (Alec Pearlman)
The second week, I made the mistake of selling a new Rolleiflex to a customer with out passing him over to a senior sales man, I never gave it a thought as I owned one myself, and was perfectly familiar with it. After a few firm words I heard no more about it. I was certainly more familiar with them than the others, with the major exception of the boss.
But it was a very formal store, with every thing that went along with that.
Every one of us were experiencd photohraphers.
 
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It's a pity there is not an ignore button on individual threads.
This has all the appearances of running for weeks while saying nothing and going nowhere. The popcorn will gave long run out before this thread dies a natural death.
Looks like I'll just have to put OP on my ignore list.
 
Just as it is impossible to judge customers,
It is impossible to judge the knowledge and helpfullness of sales people
Unless you let them demonstrate it.

While at college in the 50's I worked part time for a few weeks at the Harrow photo centre, owned by the leading authority in th UK of Rolleiflex cameras. Who wrote the Rollie manual (Alec Pearlman)
The second week, I made the mistake of selling a new Rolleiflex to a customer with out passing him over to a senior sales man, I never gave it a thought as I owned one myself, and was perfectly familiar with it. After a few firm words I heard no more about it. I was certainly more familiar with them than the others, with the major exception of the boss.
But it was a very formal store, with every thing that went along with that.
Every one of us were experiencd photohraphers.

After reading this, I’m even more baffled by your OP :rolleyes:
 
It's a pity there is not an ignore button on individual threads.
This has all the appearances of running for weeks while saying nothing and going nowhere. The popcorn will gave long run out before this thread dies a natural death.
Looks like I'll just have to put OP on my ignore list.

What is it about about this thread that bothers you so much..?
Mostly we just ignore threads of no interest to us.
We don't find any need to comment on them.
 
After reading this, I’m even more baffled by your OP :rolleyes:

We have passed those times by a long time ago.
The Op was about the situation today. The mass of technical knowledge expected of photographic sales people to day, is far out side any reasonable expectation of fulfilment.
This is not anyone's fault. It is where we are at.
If you know how to square that circle, why not give us the benefit of your ideas.
 
We have passed those times by a long time ago.
The Op was about the situation today. The mass of technical knowledge expected of photographic sales people to day, is far out side any reasonable expectation of fulfilment.
This is not anyone's fault. It is where we are at.
If you know how to square that circle, why not give us the benefit of your ideas.

Pay people a decent wage, employ people that have an interest in the field you sell in, train staff and encourage them to play with new products. It’s not rocket science.

This is purely down to the retailers and nothing to do with technology. Wex, B&H in NY, or Greys of Westminster manage to do it.
 
How does anyone expect a young (which most are) salesperson in a camera shop - it's not a photography or photographic shop - to know which products to recommend when they are working in a store with in excess of a thousand items on sale? This type of knowledge isn't learnt from books or on training courses it comes from experience and (vitally important this) an interest in the products they sell. Experience is built up over time when, hopefully, the salesperson will deveop that interest.

NO-ONE is born with any of this knowledge. As a manager of a small sales team my primary concern/interest when recruiting is can I see a future for this person in my team? Fortunately, my team don't deal directly with Joe Public so what they don't know when a customer rings in can be looked up in the product manual and hopefully they will remember that for the next time. We would all be better people if we cut the young salesperson some slack and stopped trying to demonstrate how little they know.
 
I've been in sales all my life, originally in RF solutions, but for the last 20 years, IT services.

A salesperson must understand the customers needs, ask open questions, establish a rapport and most of all, gain trust. If you trust the guy your dealing with, and have a need (want) you will buy. It really is that basic. However, to gain that trust you MUST know what you are talking about (product knowledge) or engage with somebody that does (sales specialist).

Each store needs to have a specialist on each major brand. That way Salesman 1 can ask the right guy to assist in the sale. I don't know everything about IT, but I strive to have a good understanding on most subjects. If I know a client needs something that I'm not that hot on, I take the sales specialist with me.

In a showroom situation, Fred says, "let me ask Harry, he's our Sony guru".... Harry comes over and deals with your questions. He may not know everything, but he does know how to use the menus and how to refer to the handbook. You have such a good experience, you don't really care if they can't match the online price, as long as you get a good deal, you're happy. Done deal.
 
There are different types of sales, you have the high st retailers, who pay minimum wage and will employ pretty much anyone. You then have professional sales people, who have to attend regular training and sit regular testing, they are expected to know what they are talking about and answer questions and advise accordingly, these people will typically be on upwards of £35k pa (dependant on ability) with some earning close to £100k. With regards to camera sales people, unfortunately salary wise, I would guess they fall into the former category, however because of the higher than ave ticket price and the specialist nature are expected to know more. Sales staff at places like WEX and LCE will be more knowledgeable because they are also enthusiasts like us.
 
I've been in sales all my life, originally in RF solutions, but for the last 20 years, IT services.

A salesperson must understand the customers needs, ask open questions, establish a rapport and most of all, gain trust. If you trust the guy your dealing with, and have a need (want) you will buy. It really is that basic. However, to gain that trust you MUST know what you are talking about (product knowledge) or engage with somebody that does (sales specialist).

Each store needs to have a specialist on each major brand. That way Salesman 1 can ask the right guy to assist in the sale. I don't know everything about IT, but I strive to have a good understanding on most subjects. If I know a client needs something that I'm not that hot on, I take the sales specialist with me.


In a showroom situation, Fred says, "let me ask Harry, he's our Sony guru".... Harry comes over and deals with your questions. He may not know everything, but he does know how to use the menus and how to refer to the handbook. You have such a good experience, you don't really care if they can't match the online price, as long as you get a good deal, you're happy. Done deal.

That of course the norm in larger photo shops some years ago. Today it is just an unafordable memory. The rot set in in the late 50's when the first box shifter appeared.
Dixons started as one of the first selling sealed boxes. The next crisis hit when retail price maintenance ended, and a host of shops were forced to close. The change from purchase tax to Vat did for many of the remaining smaller stores that had been living hand to mouth.
The last great slump was caused by the advent of digital, when a vast slump in stock values hit even the largest and well run stores.
This trend has continued in every field though the switch to online selling,

The photographic trade is now a totally different animal, and plays by different rules. We will probably end up with a total hybrid sales format. Which will have little resemblance to to the retail shops of old. What skills the next generation of sales people will need is as yet un written. But is sure to be quite different to what we have today.
 
I agree that the likes of Dixon’s etc, who if asked just read out whatever the shelf label said. They started to eat into the margins of independent specialists causing them to close, then came the internet, because the high st retailers now added no value to the consumer, and ate into their profits due to lower overheads causing the demise of the high st.

Now we are left with a few specialists, Currys and John Lewis. I think for independents to survive they need to go back to adding to consumer experience and give consumers a reason to pay a little bit more, maybe adding additional services (free sensor cleaning or something similar) if you buy from them.

I know this is a simplified outlook and there are a number of other factors, such as grey imports and the whole, “I’ll do anything to save a few quid”
 
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I agree that the likes of Dixon’s etc, who if asked just read out whatever the shelf label said. They started to eat into the margins of independent specialists causing them to close, then came the internet, because the high st retailers now added no value to the consumer, and ate into their profits due to lower overheads causing the demise of the high st.

Now we are left with a few specialists, Currys and John Lewis. I think for independents to survive they need to go back to adding to consumer experience and give consumers a reason to pay a little bit more, maybe adding additional services (free sensor cleaning or something similar) if you buy from them.

I know this is a simplified outlook and there are a number of other factors, such as grey imports and the whole, “I’ll do anything to save a few quid”

Price and speed of delivery is now king.
Service and extra guarantees and price matching are used by John lewis to attract sales, if money were no object I would use them all the time for their no quible policy and the general way they treat thir partners. (Staff). As a relatively poor pensioner I need to be more miserly than that.

A few months ago I bought a Roberts radio from their refurbished shop. It has now developed a fault, I emailed them and they have sent me a free postage label to return it for
Service and repair. Which I thought very good, if unexpected, I await its repair shortly.
 
As a former professional sales person one of the mantras I used to live by was “why should they buy from me”. I now train sales people and I try to install this concept into my training. Unfortunately most places now, simply don’t give a strong enough reason
 
Ultimately people buy from people.......... but the advent of online sales where a product can be available cheaper than in a bricks & mortar store have changed the landscape.

Any 'high Street' business that does not somehow adapt will suffer! IMO shops need to up their game and invest in their frontline staff........because people buy from people and they need to be skilled personnel who are not there to just take the sale! They need to "do the job of selling"
 
Let’s look at this another way. It may be easy to sell people what they don’t want.
We know what we want so we look for the best price
 
As a former professional sales person one of the mantras I used to live by was “why should they buy from me”. I now train sales people and I try to install this concept into my training. Unfortunately most places now, simply don’t give a strong enough reason

The one thing all sales people need to think is "what's in it for them".. Why would that customer chose you over another as a supplier?

And Terry, I don't believe the art of selling is dead in our specialist stores. I tend to use LCE in Reading, and they have always been able to offer advice, have knowledge of product, and most of all, be willing to deal when I'm making a purchase. Maybe I'm just lucky....
 
It really doesn't worry me if some in a general store like John Lewis doesn't know anything photography, I go in knowing
what I want and buy it, but it does annoy if I go somewhere like Jessops and get someone that doesn't have a clue, as has happened twice recently :banghead:
I'm lucky enough to live near Park Cameras and their staff seem to be very knowledgable.
One of my elderly neighbours was looking a new PC as her's was ancient, but wanted some portable she could use anywhere in the house.
I suggested she go somewhere like Curry/PCworld and look at laptops, what did she do...............................went to John Lewis and came home with a small
Samsung tablet !!! She went to classes in the local library and 6 months later has given up and sold it
 
It really doesn't worry me if some in a general store like John Lewis doesn't know anything photography, I go in knowing
what I want and buy it, but it does annoy if I go somewhere like Jessops and get someone that doesn't have a clue, as has happened twice recently :banghead:
I'm lucky enough to live near Park Cameras and their staff seem to be very knowledgable.
One of my elderly neighbours was looking a new PC as her's was ancient, but wanted some portable she could use anywhere in the house.
I suggested she go somewhere like Curry/PCworld and look at laptops, what did she do...............................went to John Lewis and came home with a small
Samsung tablet !!! She went to classes in the local library and 6 months later has given up and sold it

I hate tablets.. i am using one at this moment... I do not even like lap tops. However they are not a PC. And can be convienent. It seems that this lady never did understand what she really wanted or needed. Or the learning curve in the change over to a tablet. It looks like the sales person did not get enough information from her to guide her in the right direction.
 
Big difference between shopping and buying. If I'm looking simply to buy something, I know what I want and I'll happily buy it from the interweb but if I don't know exactly what I want/need, I'll go to town and get advice from sales advisors (I dislike salespersons!), hence me preferring even Jessops to JL. We do still have an LCE so that's usually my first choice but their stock is relatively limited compared to Jessops. The other camera shops we used to have simply couldn't compete with the chains, despite their better advice and product knowledge (and only one of the staff from them has managed to stay in the photography arena [AFAIK], working in Snappy Snaps.) I know that another went for an interview at Jessops but wasn't a good enough salesman for them, despite being an excellent sales advisor with extensive product knowledge and experience.
 
I hate tablets.. i am using one at this moment... I do not even like lap tops. However they are not a PC. And can be convienent. It seems that this lady never did understand what she really wanted or needed. Or the learning curve in the change over to a tablet. It looks like the sales person did not get enough information from her to guide her in the right direction.

I've got a crossover laptop, you fold it over and it becomes a tablet, but rarely use it as such, it does have it's uses when showing people photos etc.
This lady is in her 80s and short sighted, and limited mobility,surely even the most limited info should help the sales person to realise a 7 inch tablet
to be used with a printer isn't going to be the best option, mind you he did manage to sell her a printer as well, that despite attempts by several
knowledgeable people, never did get it to with the tablet
 
In the past a potential customer might have photography magazines and a camera club as sources of information, now there is the internet, with page after page of information, reviews, forum experiences and so on. I’m not sure a sales assistant could easily meet that level of information about specific products. When I want to buy something I’ve done my research and I then choose where to buy, based on price, convenience, previous experience. Sometimes that is Clifton Cameras, sometimes WEX sometimes JLP and sometimes elsewhere.
 
Big difference between shopping and buying. If I'm looking simply to buy something, I know what I want and I'll happily buy it from the interweb but if I don't know exactly what I want/need, I'll go to town and get advice from sales advisers (I dislike salespersons!), hence me preferring even Jessops to JL. We do still have an LCE so that's usually my first choice but their stock is relatively limited compared to Jessops. The other camera shops we used to have simply couldn't compete with the chains, despite their better advice and product knowledge (and only one of the staff from them has managed to stay in the photography arena [AFAIK], working in Snappy Snaps.) I know that another went for an interview at Jessops but wasn't a good enough salesman for them, despite being an excellent sales advisor with extensive product knowledge and experience.

I really don't believe unbiased sales advisers exist. They are primarily there to sell what is in stock. and often get a bonus for selling stock that is sticking or is about to be superseded.
The few specialist shops that remain, such as you have named, probably have the most experienced and knowledgeable sales people around, and even they are hounded to meet targets. Retail sales is a changing, challenging and difficult world these days. If you need to ask advise from a sales person, you have probably not done enough research, or perhaps don't really need it.

Some choices are factual and the answer is in the comparative specification. others are based on opinion or personal preference... which are always down to you.
the problem when searching for information on line is that much of it confuses opinion with fact, and much of it is plain wrong. so we are often between a rock and hard place. when looking for truth.
 
If you need to ask advise from a sales person, you have probably not done enough research, or perhaps don't really need it.


As I said in the other thread, I was after a compact that fitted in a shirt pocket, had a decent zoom range and could give reasonable prints up to at least A4 (wants in order of importance to me!) All the research in the world couldn't really answer as to which options met the criterion, although it did give me a shortlist to investigate further. Not all the options were available in JL anyway so they were out, as were the LCE (for the same reason) but Jessops had all 3 available to try in the pocket and have a play. Having discounted one of the options, I asked how well the remainder printed and she was able to show me prints of the same scene shot at around the same time (within minutes) so I could see how well they coped with relatively low light and printing at a decent size. There was one clear winner. It has a shorter zoom range than it's competitor (in my list) but delivered better low light performance and clearer prints, despite being a similar pixel count.
I needed the help and she was able to give it, despite me having done as much research as possible

As for unbiased advice, Jessops are among the worst offenders (or used to be!) but since I didn't have any of their preferred brand on my list, I would have been immune to any pressure towards it anyway. As it transpired, there was no attempt to push me towards that brand anyway..
 
I really don't believe unbiased sales advisers exist. They are primarily there to sell what is in stock. and often get a bonus for selling stock that is sticking or is about to be superseded.
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A good sales adviser will spend time to listen to a customers wants and needs before showing something that meets that criteria, regardless of make. They also aren’t scared of saying “we can’t meet your requirements”. It is quicker to say it you don’t have anything and move onto the next customer, rather than spending time convincing someone that they need something they don’t, for the customer to end up feeling buyers remorse at a later date. Also it is sometimes a case of managing a customers expectations, what they want may not actually exist. Unbiased sales people do exist, I meet them on a regular basis.
 
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