The virus. PPE. Part 1

[Marc]

Because they are doing extremely well at managing this ;-)

In your opinion, others are entitled to a different one

nterestingly I got a wrap on the knuckles from @Marc for posting something 'tongue in cheek' a page ago but nothing is said against postings supporting his Political persuasions.

I answered that in the PM you sent me but you ignored it but, for the benefit of others:

My left wing mates? You do realise I'm not left wing, don't you? Or do you genuinely think that anyone with differing views to you must be a leftie socialist?

As for criticising the government, people are entitled to. That's democracy. Childish memes about a politician who has no relevance to the subject of the thread is just a pathetic attempt to score political points.

BTW, the PM was titled "Biased Staff Member".

 

[Bobsyeruncle]

Russia have been very quiet.
How are they dealing with it?

 

[woof woof]

Vodka... and off into the sauna.

 

[tijuana taxi]

Holiday to Siberia

 

[Fuji Dave]

Within weeks, they need to do it NOW

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51895873

 

[Bobsyeruncle]

Other than the fact we aren't in lockdown, I am confused by all the comments that our govt are doing this wrong.
I can't find the statistics again at the moment, but they were in here somewhere. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
But it showed that in terms of the number of tests carried out per country, the UK was ranked at around 3rd or 4th and going by the number of tests performed in the UK that someone has posted on here recently(may have been in a tweet) that number has almost doubled.
We have had more tests performed in the UK combined with a lower confirmed number of cases. But some countries have a lower number of tests performed and a higher number of confirmed cases.

It's because a lot of people (and I'm not talking about here) see what other countries are doing and it appears we are possibly stalling/slow to react.
I must admit that I was starting to think like that.
The tweet/article from professor Ian Donald explains the governments tactics clearly, although even he says they can't be 100% certain what will/won't work.

 

[Bobsyeruncle]

Within weeks, they need to do it NOW

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51895873

How practical is it to do it?
How do they manage it?
Do we keep them locked up for months on end?
Then what?
Have you read the article from prof Ian Duncan?

 

[JohnC6]

I think that HM government were hoping to keep a lid on it till warmer weather brought a relief , but the media have well and truly f***ed that one up . It’s just caused panic in the shops .. personally I think in the next couple of weeks we will have lockdown and media restrictions and also the army what’s left of it on the streets .

Lifestyles are going to have to change after this is over and that’s worldwide not just in the u.k .. also the way this is spreading is making me wonder a bit I would have expected after China that the Asian and African nations would have been the worst affected but the reverse seems true apart from South Korea ..

its almost like it’s hitting a targeted audience ? The more I look at the demographics of this the more I’m beginning to wonder if it’s a genetically man made virus . more questions than answers here

Jeff. This was another Robert Peston 'scoop'. You may recall he was in the firing line re the financial crash of 2008 when, in 2007 he let it be known that Northern Rock were seeking government emergency fundin at which point we saw on tv news bulletins queues of customers out in the street wantingto withdraw their savings . Some blamed him for the subsequent collapse of NR . In addition and re the same crisis he outed the Lloyds/HBOS merger forced by Alistair Darling the then Chancellor which by-passed competition law.You can rely on good 'ole Bob..lol.

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-03-14...ime-style-mobilisation-to-combat-coronavirus/

Now to see what's being said on the Andrew Marr Show..

 

[DK602]

In your opinion, others are entitled to a different one



I answered that in the PM you sent me but you ignored it but, for the benefit of others:



BTW, the PM was titled "Biased Staff Member".

Just replied to your PM but kept it off here (unlike you) as it will detract from the thread. - maybe we could all start posting 'Private Messages'?

 

[nilagin]

It's because a lot of people (and I'm not talking about here) see what other countries are doing and it appears we are possibly stalling/slow to react.
I must admit that I was starting to think like that.
The tweet/article from professor Ian Donald explains the governments tactics clearly, although even he says they can't be 100% certain what will/won't work.

Depends on what you figure to be slow to react.
I keep seeing statements that we are just two weeks behind Italy. What does that even mean? Our first infection case was just one day after Italy. Yet Italy has far more infection cases now than the UK, so how can it be claimed we are slow to respond, we must be doing something right surely?

 

[tijuana taxi]

Within weeks, they need to do it NOW

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51895873

I cannot for one minute believe they would not receive a single visitor in four months.
Apart from needing help with certain things, i'm sure relatives would want to see they were alright
Look at the state care in the community landed us in, people left alone who just couldn't cope

Can't begin to think how confused some will get with meds they need to take without assistance

 

[Fuji Dave]

I cannot for one minute believe they would not receive a single visitor in four months.
Apart from needing help with certain things, i'm sure relatives would want to see they were alright
Look at the state care in the community landed us in, people left alone who just couldn't cope

Can't begin to think how confused some will get with meds they need to take without assistance

That`s why I go to my Mum`s so much, as I have to remind her to take her meds.

 

[Bobsyeruncle]

Depends on what you figure to be slow to react.
I keep seeing statements that we are just two weeks behind Italy. What does that even mean? Our first infection case was just one day after Italy. Yet Italy has far more infection cases now than the UK, so how can it be claimed we are slow to respond, we must be doing something right surely?

Some will say we're 2 weeks behind and therefore have an opportunity to be proactive rather than what may be seen as reactive.
Why wait until it goes pear shaped then start playing catch up?
They're saying on the news just now that the virus is now starting to exceed the governments model plan....
Who knows what is best?

 

[Fuji Dave]

Some will say we're 2 weeks behind and therefore have an opportunity to be proactive rather than what may be seen as reactive.
Why wait until it goes pear shaped then start playing catch up?
They're saying on the news just now that the virus is now starting to exceed the governments model plan....
Who knows what is best?

I think we should listen to WHO, as they seem to know more.

 

[woof woof]

I cannot for one minute believe they would not receive a single visitor in four months.
Apart from needing help with certain things, i'm sure relatives would want to see they were alright
Look at the state care in the community landed us in, people left alone who just couldn't cope

Can't begin to think how confused some will get with meds they need to take without assistance

Yup.

Some take multiple tablets at different times of the day. I've seen people distressed trying to sort out medication and there's the isolation factor, loneliness etc.

Difficult times for everyone.

 

[Ricardodaforce]

I think that HM government were hoping to keep a lid on it till warmer weather brought a relief , but the media have well and truly f***ed that one up . It’s just caused panic in the shops .. personally I think in the next couple of weeks we will have lockdown and media restrictions and also the army what’s left of it on the streets .

Lifestyles are going to have to change after this is over and that’s worldwide not just in the u.k .. also the way this is spreading is making me wonder a bit I would have expected after China that the Asian and African nations would have been the worst affected but the reverse seems true apart from South Korea ..

its almost like it’s hitting a targeted audience ? The more I look at the demographics of this the more I’m beginning to wonder if it’s a genetically man made virus . more questions than answers here

I think people like you with your crackpot theories of biological warfare are quite dangerous. That kind of talk certainly doesn’t help or usefully inform anyone. From memory there is a conspiracy theory thread; why not search it out and start posting in there.

As for your level of fear; how on earth would you cope if you were Spanish or Italian? The situation here is nothing compared to the situations in those countries. Get a grip man.

 

[Bobsyeruncle]

Maybe the elderly could pair up?
Rather than hundreds of thousands in isolation, they could pair up with friends etc and help each other, provide companionship etc.

 

[Fuji Dave]

IMO the media are not really helping and they must be loving this, thank god we in Brighton & Hove have not had a confirmed case for a while.

 

[Fuji Dave]

Maybe the elderly could pair up?
Rather than hundreds of thousands in isolation, they could pair up with friends etc and help each other, provide companionship etc.

That`s just what my Mum will do when she gets home, as a friend is going to stay with her till I go over on Wednesday.

 

[Marc]

Just replied to your PM but kept it off here (unlike you) as it will detract from the thread. - maybe we could all start posting 'Private Messages'?

I posted my own words as they were relevant to this thread, I didn't post any of yours.

 

[Nod]

From human to human is the same regardless if you're in France, Germany, Spain etc.

As Canon Bob pointed out, a usual greeting in many parts of Europe is a kiss or 2 on the cheek. Here in the UK it's more of an "Orrite!" with no physical contact.

You got to ask yourself, another country clearly had a lid on this, why are we not following their lead?

You mean ignoring the illness for a few weeks?

- why all the 'tweets'?

Decent links, yes but random tweets, no thanks.

 

[sphexx]

Russia have been very quiet.
How are they dealing with it?

There was a piece on SkyNews this am. They have very few cases, mostly in Moscow. They are quarantining everybody coming into the country — I think, from memory — certainly a lot of quarantining, which now doubt they can do being good at locking people up

 

[sphexx]

Meanwhile ... people who need to sneeze are being asked to sneeze into their elbow but are stockpiling toilet tissue instead ...
... which confirms a long held belief that many people don’t know their arse from their elbow

Boom, boom

 

[Bobsyeruncle]

Meanwhile ... people who need to sneeze are being asked to sneeze into their elbow but are stockpiling toilet tissue instead ...
... which confirms a long held belief that many people don’t know their arse from their elbow

Boom, boom

Posted yesterday in the joke thread.....

 

[Donnie]

Ok so you lock down for 2 weeks, then what all back to normal ?
Those that have been infected whilst in quarantine but not shown any signs are suddenly
free to infect again

IF they were infected in quarantine with no signs then the virus will have already run it's course in the 14days so its a moot point.

 

[Bobsyeruncle]

IF they were infected in quarantine with no signs then the virus will have already run it's course in the 14days so its a moot point.

True, But unless the virus disappears during the lockdown, it all starts again when the lockdown ends.

 

[jakeblu]

Depends on what you figure to be slow to react.
I keep seeing statements that we are just two weeks behind Italy. What does that even mean? Our first infection case was just one day after Italy. Yet Italy has far more infection cases now than the UK, so how can it be claimed we are slow to respond, we must be doing something right surely?

The government's own figures estimate as many as 10.000 people in the UK may already have the virus.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-10000-in-britain-may-already-have-it-says-pm

or for those who can't bear to visit the leftist rag there's always the Torygraph (its behind a paywall though)

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-...uk-cases-deaths-numbers-covid-19-latest-live/

 

[Donnie]

IF they were infected in quarantine with no signs then the virus will have already run it's course in the 14days so its a moot point.

True, But unless the virus disappears during the lockdown, it all starts again when the lockdown ends.

Yes but that is true whether there are symptoms or not and is completely down to how seriously they take it, ie isolating as well as possible, cleaning surfaces properly, washing hands properly, not touching your face etc. Thats the human factor unfortunately.

 

[sphexx]

Posted yesterday in the joke thread.....

Sorry! or maybe not we need a bit of lightheartedness in this thread.

 

[jakeblu]

I wonder if me being 62 year old diabetic will mean I have to isolate too?

 

[Bobsyeruncle]

I wonder if me being 62 year old diabetic will mean I have to isolate too?

Probably....

 

[jakeblu]

Probably....

Better spend the next few weeks going wild then

 

[Bobsyeruncle]

Better spend the next few weeks going wild then

I would

 

[woof woof]

Just a shopping update from your correspondent in the Redcar/Middlesbrough area

We often go to both Asda and Tesco as we like the Quorn and similar vegi things and each shop stocks some of the stuff we like but not others so today we again went to both.

Both were busy but most stuff was on the shelves except paracetamol which both shops were completely out of. This bugged me as I probably take more than a normal person as I have a long term injury but I'll manage. Loo rolls were taking a bashing but although there were empty shelves some were still available. I did see people with packet after packet in their trolley. Hand and surface cleaners were pretty much sold out in Asda but Tesco did have some limited stock of surface cleaner.

One thing that did surprise me was that self raising, plain and bread flour were all just about completely sold out. I make my own bread so it peeved me a little to buy some buns and a loaf. There was no shortage of either. We got some eggs and bananas and when we were at the checkout Mrs WW told me that both were now pretty much sold out.

We just got the normal weekly shop (apart from swapping flour for bread) which came to about £55 but I now don't think there's any doubt that there is panic buying or at least buying a little extra for stock. I do worry about the elderly and less able who'll maybe struggle to go from place to place looking for stuff if this gets worse.

 

[nilagin]

The government's own figures estimate as many as 10.000 people in the UK may already have the virus.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-10000-in-britain-may-already-have-it-says-pm

or for those who can't bear to visit the leftist rag there's always the Torygraph (its behind a paywall though)

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-...uk-cases-deaths-numbers-covid-19-latest-live/

And by the same token, Italy is just as likely to have a much higher number of infected than their official number.

 

[arclight]

The government's own figures estimate as many as 10.000 people in the UK may already have the virus.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-10000-in-britain-may-already-have-it-says-pm

or for those who can't bear to visit the leftist rag there's always the Torygraph (its behind a paywall though)

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-...uk-cases-deaths-numbers-covid-19-latest-live/

Yes, the estimate of actual numbers given last Thurs was probably much nearer the truth is a stark warning.

https://coronavirus.app/
If the individual country graphs for recorded infections are examined they have a common theme. Infections commence and remain at a very low level for around 3 weeks with the graph slope near to horizontal. Suddenly the slope steepens as infections rocket out of control.

Probably many more that 10k unrecorded infections now.

 

[arclight]

And by the same token, Italy is just as likely to have a much higher number of infected than their official number.

I would think that is likely the case for almost all countries.

A new born baby has been found to have Covid 19. "The mother was tested at North Middlesex Hospital but the result was not known until after the birth. It is not known whether the child contracted the disease in the womb or was infected during birth." (Guardian and numerous other papers)

 

[sphexx]

Just a shopping update from your correspondent in the Redcar/Middlesbrough area

We often go to both Asda and Tesco as we like the Quorn and similar vegi things and each shop stocks some of the stuff we like but not others so today we again went to both.

Both were busy but most stuff was on the shelves except paracetamol which both shops were completely out of. This bugged me as I probably take more than a normal person as I have a long term injury but I'll manage. Loo rolls were taking a bashing but although there were empty shelves some were still available. I did see people with packet after packet in their trolley. Hand and surface cleaners were pretty much sold out in Asda but Tesco did have some limited stock of surface cleaner.

One thing that did surprise me was that self raising, plain and bread flour were all just about completely sold out. I make my own bread so it peeved me a little to buy some buns and a loaf. There was no shortage of either. We got some eggs and bananas and when we were at the checkout Mrs WW told me that both were now pretty much sold out.

We just got the normal weekly shop (apart from swapping flour for bread) which came to about £55 but I now don't think there's any doubt that there is panic buying or at least buying a little extra for stock. I do worry about the elderly and less able who'll maybe struggle to go from place to place looking for stuff if this gets worse.

I don’t often buy (no doubt you know you can take too often) paracetamol but I notice the shelves are often empty of it in my local Morrison’s.
When supermarkets first appeared in U.K. Iit seemed you could get almost anything you wanted in them but gradually their ranges shrunk (it seemed to me at the time) and now they are just shops and not super at all. To get all the food things I want I have to go to Sainsbury’s, Waitrose, Morrisons, M&S Food and I still need to go to the Greengrocer’s. There’s still food stuff I can’t get in any of them and have bought some occasionally online. Maybe we were better off with specialised shops .

 

[jakeblu]

And by the same token, Italy is just as likely to have a much higher number of infected than their official number.

Except Italy have tested considerably more people than we have



Source https://ourworldindata.org/covid-testing

 

[woof woof]

I don’t often buy (no doubt you know you can take too often) paracetamol but I notice the shelves are often empty of it in my local Morrison’s.
When supermarkets first appeared in U.K. Iit seemed you could get almost anything you wanted in them but gradually their ranges shrunk (it seemed to me at the time) and now they are just shops and not super at all. To get all the food things I want I have to go to Sainsbury’s, Waitrose, Morrisons, M&S Food and I still need to go to the Greengrocer’s. There’s still food stuff I can’t get in any of them and have bought some occasionally online. Maybe we were better off with specialised shops .

I normally only take paracetamol maybe once or twice a week so hopefully it wont be a problem.

We've noticed the same about stock and like you we go to more shops now than we did a few years ago.