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I am sure there are some who would advocate bringing back the workhouses.........
One at least springs to mind
Must be a very sad way to live having so little compassion for your fellow human beings
I am sure there are some who would advocate bringing back the workhouses.........
By that I guess you mean current OAP's, a good percentage of whom will have fought in WW2, I am sure they would be very happy to be called a drain. Or perhaps they worked in the public sector, teachers, fireman, nurses, same comment - terrible undeserving drain. Or those that are soon to retire, the ones accused of having it easy, earning a fortune and having cheap hoses to buy, so they will have paid a considerable amount during their working lives in tax, ni, etc - more of a drain on society.to pay the people who are the biggest drain on the Country.
True but those earning more are likely to be spending more and as a result paying more tax in each of those cases.That is just income tax. There is value added tax, council tax, fuel duty, road tax and whole host of other taxes which apply at the same rate to everyone and cannot be avoided however little you earn.
I should have explained better - no money from the state should be given to the unemployed or poor.
If someone earns lots of money then they can spend/pass it on to who they like.
No one needs to starve - give them tokens to buy healthy food and not McDonalds etc.
State pension should be a thing of the past - this Country looks after the poor far to much!
And those that earn more & can afford it employ accountants to avoid paying more tax. Especially true of small businesses & self employed.True but those earning more are likely to be spending more and as a result paying more tax in each of those cases.
And you know they're unemployed how?Sat in Costa - outside two unemployed drinking coffee an smoking. They are also talking about how much they spend in arcades trying to win an Xbox!
And you know they're unemployed how?
Frankly if you posted that the Sun will definitely rise in the morning I'd check for myself - you appear to be as dishonest as you are ignorant.
Not true at all.True but those earning more are likely to be spending more and as a result paying more tax in each of those cases.
The rich have always exploited the poor. If they weren't happy with their lot they would go somewhere else...... Oh! Sorry they already have moved their money offshoreIt's a real shame the rich get the blame for the ills of the Country when they pay the most.
Everything you post?Fairly obvious - I can hear what they are saying!
How do you know I'm dishonest then?
It's a real shame the rich get the blame for the ills of the Country when they pay the most.
Everyone else has already told you that's not true.It's a real shame the rich get the blame for the ills of the Country when they pay the most.
Everyone else has already told you that's not true.
We can't change your belief system but we can point out consistently when you're factually incorrect.
The rich aren't being blamed for anything (the only 'blame' I'm reading here is from you)
Seeing as they are often most culpable seems fair enough to me
Those chaps in Costa may have just been the idle wealthy frittering away cash they earned from exploiting the poor
I don't know what you're reading - from where I'm sat the consensus appears to be that a rise in pension age is inevitable as we're living longer.I read this thread and nobody else has come up with a solution!
It was stated earlier that in the past the average male drew a state pension for 5-10yrs. It is clear that there are a lot more of us living for longer - is the answer really 'make the rich pay for it'?
I don't know what you're reading - from where I'm sat the consensus appears to be that a rise in pension age is inevitable as we're living longer.
cross posted - too tricky a concept for you?
Phil - that doesn't help the young unemployed though.
Would it not be better at some point just to get rid of the state pension - I understand there has to be a 'cut off point' for those already in work but would it not be sensible to say 'Those reaching employment age at 2025? will no longer be entitled to a state pension?
Many of us went without luxuries and still can't afford to retire.Probably - I went without luxuries as a young man and managed to retire at 35; some people want their cake and to eat it.
The state pension system is working fine - it gets tweaked based on an ageing population and a government unwilling to subsidise it.
Why do you think such a radical change is required - other than the fact you personally don't like the idea that a single penny of your money goes to someone you feel is undeserving.
Bet people say look at that bloke, sits in coffee shops, doesn't go to work and wastes his time posting rubbish on message boards.Probably - I went without luxuries as a young man and managed to retire at 35; some people want their cake and to eat it.
Bet people say look at that bloke, sits in coffee shops, doesn't go to work and wastes his time posting rubbish on message boards.
Lazy git, don't want my money supporting him especially in old age when he hasn't made enough contributions
You can be poorly paid and self employed and still avoid paying more tax.And those that earn more & can afford it employ accountants to avoid paying more tax. Especially true of small businesses & self employed.
Talking of taxes, what about the single disabled widow living in a 2 bedroom council house being charged 'bedroom' tax in an area where there are no single bed roomed properties available for her to move to?
Very true. Tax avoidance is legal, evasion isn't.You can be poorly paid and self employed and still avoid paying more tax.
A not uncommon situation I imagine. There's not much profit for builders building small social housing units, they would rather build estates of closely packed detached houses for sale.What about the couple or family living in a 1 bedroom flat that are unable to find a 2 bed flat
Best bet is to move them into shipping containers Ala EalingThere's not much profit for builders building small social housing units,
Best bet is to move them into shipping containers Ala Ealing
( and other places )
https://www.itv.com/news/2019-08-21...porary-shipping-containers-promoted-as-flats/
Best bet is to move them into shipping containers Ala Ealing
( and other places )
https://www.itv.com/news/2019-08-21...porary-shipping-containers-promoted-as-flats/
thats an error on your retirement age surely, if it isn't then you managed to accumulate your pension to last the rest of your life in around 18-19 years you must have been one of those rich folks I keep hearing about that pay too much taxProbably - I went without luxuries as a young man and managed to retire at 35; some people want their cake and to eat it.
I'm pretty sure that would have gone down as evasion and attracted a stiff penalty.I knew of a Quantity Surveyor (now dead, sadly) who 'employed' his wife as housekeeper, gave her a company car & company fuel card all of which were set against the business cost. His two children both had 'company' computers at home using a 'company' phone line to gain access to the Internet.
Maybe he exaggerated ......... & it was a long time ago.I'm pretty sure that would have gone down as evasion and attracted a stiff penalty.
People claim to do some outrageous things, especially with a couple of pints in them. The reality is often quite different when they're sober, especially if sat in front of an investigating officer.
Unless you're an MPI'm pretty sure that would have gone down as evasion and attracted a stiff penalty.
People claim to do some outrageous things, especially with a couple of pints in them. The reality is often quite different when they're sober, especially if sat in front of an investigating officer.