What really annoys you about photography sites

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Just interested to see what people find most annoying / irritating about photography websites and portfolio websites. I'm in the process of building one for myself and thought who better to ask for this kind of information but a bunch of photographers!

For example, people who force browser resizes on the user really do my head in. In fact, if I visit a website that automatically resizes to full screen I'll immediately close it down and move on... if I'm in a really bad mood I'll black list it completely.

So, what are your pet hates?

And on the flip side, what do you like to see on photography sites, things that make you smile and feel all warm inside.

Cheers!
 
For example, people who force browser resizes on the user really do my head in. In fact, if I visit a website that automatically resizes to full screen I'll immediately close it down and move on... if I'm in a really bad mood I'll black list it completely.
Cheers!

Why I like to see photos fill my screen it the ones that sit in the centre 1/3 that get me all that space and not using it
 
I know you will not like me saying this, but a Flash enabled site that makes my computer crawl to a halt and every time you go to a new page there seems to be a 10-20 second wait is a definite no for me.

Not everyone has state of the art PC's and the latest browser - I read somewhere that Internet Explorer 6 is still the most popular browser - I would construct your site so that even a slow PC can still view it comfortably.
Keep it Simple.
 
Pet hates.....

1) Music

2) Slow transitions

3) Design that makes the 'back' button useless
 
And on the flip side, what do you like to see on photography sites, things that make you smile and feel all warm inside.

Apart from nekkid laydees, snaps with humanity and humour with no pretence at being art. Artless art, if you like.

Lack of equipment fanboyism and snobbery.

Words about the subject and the process.

Willingness to communicate and to sell.
 
For example, people who force browser resizes on the user really do my head in. In fact, if I visit a website that automatically resizes to full screen I'll immediately close it down and move on... if I'm in a really bad mood I'll black list it completely.

music i hate music.......hate it hate it hate it

Pet hates.....

1) Music

2) Slow transitions

3) Design that makes the 'back' button useless

All of the above I hate, browser re-sizing and music are at the top of the list though. Websites that don't have a clear menu annoy me too, sometimes I just want to quickly find info and move on with my day!

Something I really like is huge photos, something that really makes me say wow! That one is very love/hate I think though.
 
Another one who hates music.

I also dislike intensely sites which won't let you right click and open a window/link in a new tab.

Blue text on a black background - what are they thinking?

Anything which twinkles, sparkles, twizzles around, flashes, or generally looks like it has been made for a My Little Pony website.
 
I hate people who talk about themselves in the third person in their about me speil. I wish we had a w8nker smiley like there is on the PB forum.
 
For me, it's the pretentious spiel spouted by some photographers about their work! I see a photo of a tree, I like the photo. Then I see there's a 12 page long caption underneath it describing how this tree is symbolic of man's 'destructive nature' and 'terrifying lonelines' etc etc etc and I completely lose interest.

I've never seen a photo, and thought "that's rubbish", then read the bit underneath and suddenly had an epiphany about the genius of the photographer and how amazing it is.

Don't even get me started on sites with music!
 
I hate it when it opens a flash site in another window (I'm not a fan of flash sites anyway)
I hate it when there's alot of black and even moreso when it's all black with white writing (alot of people with visual problems can't read that, I can't so I close the browser and they've lost any potential business I may give them - also when I was working in advertising we were always told that adverts in reverse block, ie black with white writing, generated a much lower response as they were harder to read)
 
The following all applies to proffesional websites, personal sites are obviously for a different use really, and as such much of the following doesn't apply.

any website that takes more than about 4s to load, you start losing viewers.

any entirely flash based website is not only bad for your SEO (search engine optimisation), but bad for people with disabilities, slow to load, etc etc. IF your flash app needs a 'loading' icon (remember the 4s rule), it's probably taking too long to load, and probably uses flash too much :p

music on websites, ESPECIALLY that plays the second you go to the site, animated gifs, splash pages (mostly, though occasionally acceptable for photographers), mailto: links (use a contact form, or just display your email!), being able to use the back button, are all SO 1994. Don't do it.

200 different categories of photos in a gallery, with each section basically being 'oh I went to the zoo once, I'm therefore an animal photographer' or 'I took my point and shoot to a gig and got 3 half decent shots'.... your portfolio needs to be concise, show the kind of work that you WANT to do (and don't say 'anything that'll pay!') - and preferably a clear link between these sections. If you're trying to get commercial work, unless you are very good and trying to shoot cars for magazines or whatever, a huge section on motorsport, coupled with a few studio shots of your kids and a couple of commercial type shots, is just going to say to your clients that you primarily shoot cars on a track... so they'll go to a 'people specialist' instead...

All of the photos need to be of a similar standard - if there is one weak image, then that is what will be judged, and all the rest of the good work next to it is pointless.

Think carefully about the shots that load on your site, especially the very first image or two that the visitor will see - a comemrcial client in an office doesn't want to be greeted with a glamour shot, neither does a parent looking for cute portraits of their kids.

In the same way, putting 3 similar shots (or even more than 2 shots of the same model / thing in the whole portfolio) just suggests to the reader that you don't have enough material to make a 'full' portfolio. Take these multiples out, and whatever you do, do not put them next to each other, unless you have a very good reason for doing so...

Corporate language, buzzwords, etc is a pet hate, HOWEVER, if you are a commercial photographer marketing yourself to commercial clients, then that is what they like, so that is what you should use!

I hate walls of text (hah, sorry about this post... ) - the guy hiring you doesn't care about your life story, they want to be sold on the fact that you can get the job done, well, with good results, creative vision etc etc. 10 paragraphs is NOT the way to do this.

Zack arias does regular critiques on websites and portfolios, which are very good - they're in the format of a video of him surfing the site and an audio track of him commenting on them. Well worth a watch.
 
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any entirely flash based website is not only bad for your SEO (search engine optimisation), but bad for people with disabilities, slow to load, etc etc.

I wouldn't say that this is true anymore.

You could say it was;

SO 1994...

But really now, Flash works, it's fast and everybody has the ability to view it (well, over 95% of people online).
 
The following all applies to proffesional websites, personal sites are obviously for a different use really, and as such much of the following doesn't apply.

... stuff

Agree with most of what you said, esp Flash but I'd also say NEVER use a splash page, your site isnt a magazine or book on the shelf trying to convince people to "pick me up". If theyve logged on they are already wanting to see so dont put a barrier in their way. If they are on a mobile device its an even bigger headache.

I'd ALWAYS give a Mailto: as well as a contact form. That way when someone contacts you you actually get their real email address. The number of times people misspell their email adress is unreal and a form isnt always the best idea.
 
I wouldn't say that this is true anymore.

You could say it was;



But really now, Flash works, it's fast and everybody has the ability to view it (well, over 95% of people online).

Flash is still cr4p. Doesnt work on mobile devices, you cant give someone a link to a specific page on a flash site because its all in the one SWF. Updates are a headache. Printings tricky etc etc etc

I just hate it, and I was a Flash developer back about 8 years ago for a while.

Its good when used within a site but its not an answer for a full site.
 
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I'd ALWAYS give a Mailto: as well as a contact form. That way when someone contacts you you actually get their real email address. The number of times people misspell their email adress is unreal and a form isnt always the best idea.

hmm, yeah, as well as a contact form is ok (ie as a link on the contact page)... the most annoying thing though is just for a link in the middle of text or as a menu option to be 'contact', which just tries to open the default email editor - which for home customers, is a load of errors as outlook express tries to open...

and yes, flash most definitely does have a place, certainly for doing galleries, however, _entirely_ flash sites are generally 'not good' for many of the reasons listed above, despite the 95% penetration.
Its good when used within a site but its not an answer for a full site.

This. Use simpleviewer or whatever shiny gallery majig you want, but wrap it in a html/css/js wrapper to do the actual pagination and navigation :)
 
Not particularily photography, but it really bugs me when i cant find a phone number on a webpage to ask details, they tend to be hidden in the depths of the webpage and not overly easy to find(i would expect it under the Contact Us Section).
 
Pet hates.....

1) Music

2) Slow transitions

3) Design that makes the 'back' button useless

Yip - hate all those and adverts (thank heavens for Adblock)
 
A lot of the Flash comments have been address here... lol

It's moved on a lot, but still, some very relevant comments so far , keep em coming. Hopefully this thread will prove useful many people when coming up with a design for their photography websites.
 
I hate music, hate, hate, hate
I dislike contact forms, rather have emails.
Don't trust websites that doesn't list a postal address (but then mine doesn't either)
 
No comment intended or reflection on anybody's spelling here, so no spelling arguments please, but poor grammar and spelling mistakes on a professional web site have turned me away on more than one occasion (as far as buying is concerned).
 
Flash is still cr4p. Doesnt work on mobile devices, you cant give someone a link to a specific page on a flash site because its all in the one SWF. Updates are a headache. Printings tricky etc etc etc

I just hate it, and I was a Flash developer back about 8 years ago for a while.

Its good when used within a site but its not an answer for a full site.

Fair enough, I'm sure you know a heck of a lot more about it than I (not hard). I've only just started using Flash in the last couple of months to build my site.

Doesn't it have a specific section for creating Flash sites for mobile devices though?

WRT e-mail; I'm a bit stuck for the best solution. At the moment I have the word 'contact' at the footer of each page, with a mailto:

I'm not too keen on that, as Dave said earlier it can mess things up trying to open Mail or Outlook.

I'm not wild about forms either though. Would having my email address displayed on the page just be an open invitation to spambots? Not sure what the best answer is.

Sorry if that was a bit of a thread hijack.

My main peeve with a website is resizing my browser, either to full screen or making it smaller and moving it around my monitor like Reuters do. :bang:
 
you probably are asking for spambots Jayst, but i assume you could set it up as a picture to hide it from the bots yet still leave it visible?
 
For me, it's the pretentious spiel spouted by some photographers about their work! I see a photo of a tree, I like the photo. Then I see there's a 12 page long caption underneath it describing how this tree is symbolic of man's 'destructive nature' and 'terrifying lonelines' etc etc etc and I completely lose interest.


Hehe yes I totally agree. It's the main reason I dropped pixel post because I didn't like the photoblog format. A picture should speak for itself and I just found myself writing the most terrible dross to describe my posts. I made myself cringe.

Personally I aim to make my website viewable in a default Internet Explorer on a netbook screen. Ideally make it iPhone happy as well.
 
Would having my email address displayed on the page just be an open invitation to spambots? Not sure what the best answer is.

To avoid spam, you could have your address as *name* {at} domain.com

I think the best solution is to have a form and an email address and let the user choose.

This thread is really helpful though, I think it should be added to the sticky at the top of the page (y)
 
To avoid spam, you could have your address as *name* {at} domain.com

I think the best solution is to have a form and an email address and let the user choose.

This thread is really helpful though, I think it should be added to the sticky at the top of the page (y)

My e-mail address is a link on the contact page, nothing more dramatic than that, yet I don't get bombarded with spam, or if I do, the filter's doing a great job of catching it before it hits my mail client!
 
A little spam is worth the profit on gaining new clients

I can't think of anything simpler for a client than using a contact form. Why make the visitor open an email application just to send you an email when they can fill in a form and click send. You're email address is completely hidden and you can receive form communication from anywhere.

Why make life difficult for yourself when it doesn't have to be. Contact form is the way to go. A little spam is not worth it if you loose legitimate client emails among all the spam.
 
Personally I can't abide contact forms.

I want an e-mail address, and a phone number. I want to have a copy of any message I've sent, I want to know if the message has been delivered or failed to arrive.

As for the original question

Music
Free hosting sites (especially with ads)
Tiny images / huge images (800px on the longest side works for me)
needing to scroll left & right
Landscapes on a portrait photographers site / Portraits on a landscape site etc...
Google ads / affiliate links etc
Links to flickr / photobox / Alamy etc
Photo's of the same model (family members)
Bad photoshop, especially cutouts for new backgrounds.
Text that tells you the photographer is an amateur trying to make a few quid
Lack of pricing for shoots / prints
Kit lists (unless you're sponsored :) )
More text than images
Links that go nowhere / pages with little content
Pages that don't have images on (it's a photographers site, you should have loads to choose from!)

I don't mind Flash / Silverlight, and they can be indexed by google, and as long as they're developed well, they'll load quickly.

I do like simplicity, being a fan of Garr Reynolds work :)

http://www.presentationzen.com/
 
Most annoying -anywhere on the site that says 'Fine Art'-I immediately leave.

Most encouraging-when the tog provides some background information to support the images- e.g. shutterspeed/lens used/time of day/filters employed etc
 
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