Why so many updates for windows 10?

Terrywoodenpic said:
That is as it should be, it is a mature system.
I have no interest in new features, It does exactly what I need right now.
I would be happy is the security updates went on for longer, and since it is still so popular with commercial users, it just might well do.
If and when they come to an end, I will more than likely carry on with it anyway. (if I live so long)
I really dislike the whole feel and concept of 10.
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Windows 10 anniversary is almost exactly like Windows 7 with it's program menu. I'm glad they have that back in now. Add to that the desktop icons, it's got a lot of Windows 7 familiarity to it...

SSD support, new printer drivers, support for new applications. Windows 7 was good, Windows 8 terribel, 8.1 acceptable, Windows 10 is very good. We've not found a bespoke application yet that won't run under Windows 10.
 
The one thing that really bugs me about Windows is when a pop up box appears randomly at any time advising you that a shut down is required to update Windows and has a timer ticking down to reboot. This can quite easily be missed so if you're away from the PC for a short while for instance and then you come back and the computer has restarted itself and you've probably lost what you were in the middle of doing if not saved prior. I hate this feature. At least with my iPad, if an update is required, it just comes up in the settings part. It doesn't just update it for me in the middle of a task for instance. I do like Windows but this feature really bugs me.
 
Byker28i said:
Have you got any failed updates with an error message. Sometimes you get a failed update and it will continuously try and fail, so you need to rectify that.
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No error messages, just 3 failed updates. I've clicked the updates button a couple of times and it doesn't download anything new, so I think it will have to sort itself out as I've had enough of it!

Byker28i said:
The latest features update takes a wile to download and update, as did the anniversary update.
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Or in my case, the latest features update takes a while to download and not update! :banghead: The useless chunk! :grumpy:
 
Ravinder said:
The one thing that really bugs me about Windows is when a pop up box appears randomly at any time advising you that a shut down is required to update Windows and has a timer ticking down to reboot. This can quite easily be missed so if you're away from the PC for a short while for instance and then you come back and the computer has restarted itself and you've probably lost what you were in the middle of doing if not saved prior. I hate this feature. At least with my iPad, if an update is required, it just comes up in the settings part. It doesn't just update it for me in the middle of a task for instance. I do like Windows but this feature really bugs me.
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If you're on Win 10 then have a look in the updates settings as you should be able to select the timeframe when auto-shutdowns are not to happen (say between 09:00 and 17:00 for instance) and if you're lucky it shouldn't auto restart during those times. Best of luck! ;)
 
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KitsuneAndy said:
That's not the reason at all.

It's because corporations are always a few years behind rolling out the changes in-house because of the potential implications to bespoke software built to run on a specific OS, it can cost a lot of money to upgrade 50000 machines. So you'll find some big companies still running Win 7 and paying for support from MS, rather than forking out to upgrade their entire estate.

And that then skews the stats of the OS most in use.
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That is true, legacy issues are an important financial consideration.
However most Commercial users have absolutely no need of the Win 10 bell and whistles. or the limitations in using bespoke programs. nor indeed the disruption and retraining required.

Which is also a problem for specialist uses of home versions.

There is certainly room for a basic win 7 like operating system going onwards.
 
Byker28i said:
We've not found a bespoke application yet that won't run under Windows 10.
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While we are supporting a software suite that runs on XP, can just about be persuaded to run on Win 7, and won't run on anything more recent!

Why?

Because it's the control system for a piece of machinery released over 20 years ago, and distributed worldwide - and some key elements (such as the cross compiler for the embedded code) just aren't available in more modern versions.
 
Byker28i said:
Windows 10 anniversary is almost exactly like Windows 7 with it's program menu. I'm glad they have that back in now. Add to that the desktop icons, it's got a lot of Windows 7 familiarity to it...
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Really? Oh crap, because W7 looks lousy, and I'd take 8.1/10 over it every day of the week. Hopefully it won't run like W7.
 
It’s almost like there’s more than one OS called Win 10, I only really use my laptop on weekends and the updates never seem obtrusive, last weekend I can’t remember the laptop doing a single update...
 
john.margetts said:
It is very poor design. I used Linux for a decade or so and never had update problems. The few updates I needed either installed entirely in the background or on my timetable. None if this waiting for the operating system to finish updating before it would switch off and no hanging around when switching the machine on before I could get down to work. Apple's iMac operating system seems to be much the same as Linux so far.

Cannot understand why anyone bothers with Windows.
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You realise there's a thread regarding MacOS High-Sierra update causing the system to freeze and require a restore?

Widespread complaints... Grass is certainly no greener on the other side... [emoji6]
 
Neilc28 said:
You realise there's a thread regarding MacOS High-Sierra update causing the system to freeze and require a restore?

Widespread complaints... Grass is certainly no greener on the other side... [emoji6]
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That is a major operating system update, not one of many weekly updates. Hardly the same thing. And certainly no problem on my machine.
 
Neilc28 said:
You realise there's a thread regarding MacOS High-Sierra update causing the system to freeze and require a restore?

Widespread complaints... Grass is certainly no greener on the other side... [emoji6]
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Indeed. I recall a time 8 years ago when a 1.8GB update for OSX10.5 was rolled out and started downloading automatically, causing a 200k DSL connection to become effectively and inexplicably unusable, so it's nothing new. Updates were regularly 200-300meg at that time.
 
Some of the windows updates are now pretty much an upgrade install over the top, so yeah it's pretty close to the same thing nowadays.

And I have no Windows 10 update problems on mine. The problems exist on both sides, regardless of whether we personally experience it
 
Neilc28 said:
Some of the windows updates are now pretty much an upgrade install over the top, so yeah it's pretty close to the same thing nowadays.

And I have no Windows 10 update problems on mine. The problems exist on both sides, regardless of whether we personally experience it
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Sure, but that was at a time when downloading a couple of gigs wasn't trivial.
 
That was in response to Johns comment, I just happened to post at the same time as your post came through lol
 
Microsoft release security updates & fixes on the 2nd Tuesday of every month (so called Patch Tuesday) so you can expect a flurry of updates the day after......

As a retired computer network manager, I make it my business keeping our home PCs up to date with patches, running AV database updates & taking backups. In 40+ years working in the IT sector I have seen too many examples of what happens when you don't.

I keep all the PCs (3x servers, 2x desktops & 3x laptops) on my home network up to date with Windows 10 updates without too much trouble. One of the servers is running a Windows Home Server (WHS) 2011 VM & that monitors the health of the other systems & generates alerts which tell me which PCs need updates or reports any other PC health issues. It's a shame Microsoft dropped WHS development some years ago.
 
The annoying thing about Windows 10 is that it makes such a fuss about updates, often requiring reboots and extended mucking about while you can do nothing else. 'Preparing to configure Windows' ranks with 'replacement bus service' and 'President Donald Trump' as one of the most depressing phrases in the English language. My Linux machine, which also receives lots of updates, just gets on with it in the background, and rarely requires a reboot.
 
It's easy enough to configure updates to happen when you're not using the machine(s) that are being updated. Hell, if I can set it up, anyone can!
 
Terrywoodenpic said:
That is true, legacy issues are an important financial consideration.
However most Commercial users have absolutely no need of the Win 10 bell and whistles.
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Wrong, just for the lockdown and security features available in Windows 10, support for Printers etc. Few large commercial users have a completely unrestricted operating system available to their users
There's a lot of difference between a home user and a corporate user requirements. We wouldn't assume like a home user that you could just 'use' it, as seen that leads to issues from a lack of understanding, like any program.
That's why most corporate rollouts usually involve end user training. It's easily provided over a browser and runs in small lessons that the user can fit into their workday schedule and also refer back to.
 
Neilc28 said:
You realise there's a thread regarding MacOS High-Sierra update causing the system to freeze and require a restore?
Widespread complaints... Grass is certainly no greener on the other side... [emoji6]
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SMB2/3 is broken since about two years ago, you have to revert to Cifs for a reliable connection. It's annoying in a corporate file sharing environment.
It's like any OS - good for some purposes, not so good for others. It's why we have choices :)
 
Well, it decided to download the 'Feature update' last night, then told me it was starting to install the updates... after 3 hours it had got to about 16% and in the end I had to give up and turn it off and go to bed. I set it running again this morning and it seemed to start where it left off, before getting to 26% and reverting to 0% again, which eventually rose to about 20% before dropping back to 0% and sitting there doing nothing after that! A check on Updates History now has another failed update for 'Feature update' listed on it! :banghead:

It's now just sitting there at 0% doing nothing but I can hear the hard drive working away in the background. I've dropped everything I can off the start-up menu and run task manager, which tells me nothing is running. This is getting more and more annoying! I've just done a restart so we'll see how things go after that. :grumpy:
 
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I booted up my laptop this morning to look for this Feature Update, it downloaded and installed with only one intervention from me (it asked me about half way through if I wanted to reboot or wait for my specified update hours) and then successfully updated within under an hour.

It sounds like some people are unlucky, or need technical help (or perhaps just a new laptop)...
 
Retune said:
When I'm not using it, it's switched off.
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Then perhaps it's time to change your approach?

I'm wondering if it's down to original supplier/builder and the drivers & other bits they supply? We have 2 W10 machines - this Dell and a desktop that I built about 5 years ago. Both just get on with downloading stuff in the background, notifying the user that a restart is needed for the occasional major update a few times a year. Likewise it doesn't seem to be a problem for the office full of W10 machines that I'm presently sat in (we don't have an IT function outside of the CSO here).
 
Dave1 said:
It sounds like some people are unlucky, or need technical help (or perhaps just a new laptop)...
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It was a new laptop last year... they're not biros you know, you shouldn't have to chuck them away after a few months of use! :facepalm:

Besides, since that restart at 11.40am the 'Preparing to install updates' gauge is up to 77%, so we're cooking with charcoal now! :LOL:

I'm hoping when and if it finally gets there the subsequent download will cure any minor glitches there may be with the OS. Failing that then I'll probably have to go down the route of reloading Win 10 and see if that sorts it. I wish it had happened in July before the 12 month warranty expired!
 
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Mr Badger said:
It was a new laptop last year... they're not biros you know, you shouldn't have to chuck them away after a few months of use! :facepalm:

Besides, since that restart at 11.40am the 'Preparing to install updates' gauge is up to 77%, so we're cooking with charcoal now! :LOL:

I'm hoping when and if it finally gets there the subsequent download will cure any minor glitches there may be with the OS. Failing that then I'll probably have to go down the route of reloading Win 10 and see if that sorts it. I wish it had happened in July before the 12 month warranty expired!
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Reloading Windows will just mean you’ll be installing ALL the updates released since you bought your laptop, that will be a marathon session...
 
Dave1 said:
Reloading Windows will just mean you’ll be installing ALL the updates released since you bought your laptop, that will be a marathon session...
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Well something must be wrong somewhere. Latest progress: Updates finally uploaded at around 3pm (from that re-start at 11:40am). It was then restarted (as instructed by the updates info) and has configured the windows updates on shutdown, re-started and is now 'Working on updates' and showing 19% progress as I type this at 3:45pm.

It's done nothing else but sort the updates out, I'm typing this on my desktop PC, and that laptop is connected to a wired LAN to get internet connection not via wireless. Surely something must be wrong, it should handle, download and process the 'Feature Update' quicker than this? It's taken about 20 hours of faff just to get it to this stage, that's pathetic! :facepalm: I'll see how it runs after the update then I'll have to try and test the processor speed, etc. If that checks out OK then it's probably going to be an OS software issue that's to blame?
 
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The saga ends!

It finally finished 'Working on updates' at 4:55pm. It seems to be running OK now with no updates showing as failed or pending. So, not counting all the time wasted with the several failed attempts to download the update, it's taken from 11:40am this morning until 4:55pm this afternoon to download, configure and process the 'Feature update'. That can't be regarded as acceptable, surely! I had a look in the Troubleshoot section and clicked on the 'downloads' troubleshoot checking option. It ran some sort of system check and said it had made some changes, so we'll have to see if that's fixed anything. :cautious:
 
It's quite a biggy @Dave70D. I kicked off the updates on a couple a bit before midday and they are still going (1703 then 1709 on an i7, 1709 on a tablet). Not sure which one will win, but wanted to get it out of the way before swapping the OS to SSD on the i7.
 
My win 10 always tells me if it has an update and when do I want to do it, often it will say times like overnight.
I do not get many updates at all also done seamlessly on both my PC 1Tb ssd 16Gb ram and laptop. both are i7 and a 60+Mbps internet.
 
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The feature update didn't seem to bother my desktop PC (I didn't even know it was downloading!), and it processed and loaded quite quickly but, then again, it should have gone smoothly on that machine as it's got an i7 6700 CPU, 256Gb of SSD and 16 Gb of RAM. It if bothered that then I think it probably would be time to give up! :eek:
 
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I too seem to be stuck in the endless update syndrome and have been following this thread for a few weeks now.

I'm still on build 10586 and the system has not been able to do any 'major' updates since before the Anniversary edition. I now get warning pop ups from Microsoft telling me that my version of Windows 10 will no longer be supported in the coming months so I guess it's time to start looking at the problem that's stopping the updates.
 
What a right PITA the last few days have been, the 1709 feature update totally screwed up both my laptops. So I totally wiped clean the drives and re-installed windows 10 back on them, then I managed to get all the updates back on, but had to do a manual 1709 update and both are working fine now, and on top of that I have got a trapped nerve that is killing my shoulder :mad::mad:
 
FiestaRed said:
I too seem to be stuck in the endless update syndrome and have been following this thread for a few weeks now.
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Must be a different thread you wear following, this one Is only one week old lol.
 
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