It's moved on someway from my original post but that's sometimes how threads develop.
Surely, your comment re Fois Gras in response to Asha was a wind up ? We do some pretty nasty things to animals/birds and how Foie Gras is produced is up there at the top alongside bear bile extraction for so-called chinese traditional medicine and people don't have to be so-called animal lovers simply because they have regard to the welfare of of animals..in this case geese. I don't like the term 'animal lover' as it's often used to denigrate those who, in reality' don't 'love' animals but as I say, do care about their welfare. You've actually confirmed the derogatory nature of the term when you used it in a negative way by calling Mr. Badger. 'one of those animal-lover types' and likewise, your response to Tom Pinchenzo (post 15) you said" The Guardian is a very dubious news source that panders to leftie animal lovers'.
On that last comment . Animal lovers..as you appear to disparagingly call them..are not the preserve of the Left. The PM's fiancée ,Carrie Symonds,is patron of the Conservative Animal Welfare Foundation. It's believed that she's behind the imminent ban of the export of livestock post the transition period ending on the 31st. She champions animal welfare and. cons ervation. She's been involved in campaigns to stop the killing of Puffins in Iceland abd talking of Iceland,whaling too. She wants the ill- gotten gains of trophy hunters from the UK who travel,mainly but not exclusively to Africa to be banned from importing them. She's highlighted the way monkeys are used to climb trees and gather coconuts on an industrial scale. . She wants the Global wildlife trade brought to an end.
This is what wildlife campaigner,Dominic Dyer, said of her.
"The Carrie Symonds effect is strong, I would not underestimate her influence over these issues.” Johnson’s partner has worked for international charity Oceana, championed anti-whaling causes, and made a surprise appearance at this summer’s Birdfair, dubbed “the conservationists’ Glastonbury”. Dyer joined Symonds there and says she is among an influential new generation of women from within both the animal rights – and Conservative"
To get back to the Fois Gras issue,which,by the way, Carrie Symond's wants an import ban placed on it.
Would you take a minute to read this ? I assume when you ate it you were at least aware of the controversy about the forced-feeding but maybe not the detail,not that it needs spelling out to understand how distressing, at best and horrific at worst, it is. I can't understand how anyone can be properly aware of how Fois Gras is produced can still maintain that they..to quote you " love it"
Lawmakers on two continents trying to combat this issue from opposite ends of the production line, but what we need is a complete prohibition
www.independent.co.uk
I can see from responses in other threads that quite often posted links aren't read. so, from the article.
It starts..' Is anyone still eating the diseased livers of tormented birds'. Well, the answer to that is obviously yes because the UK imports 180-200 tons a year. Environmemt Minister, George Eustace has said they will looking at a ban post the Brexit transition period.
The production of Fois Gras involves intentionally inducing a painful debilitating illness in healthy young animals . Workers roughly grab the necks if weeks-old geese and shove a metal tube down their throats through which they force-feed the birds up to three times a day.' This eventually enlarges their livers by 600%.. 10 times normal..
The geese are forced-fed 2kgs of grain a day. Eye-witness investigators have found that the geese become so ill they can't stand up and that's on premises that are considered to be high welfare. Sounds like a contradiction of terms to me.
Regarding the damage inflicted by humans on invertebrates it's amounted to,since the 16th century, the extinction of 680 species. .A 2019 report shows that a million animal and plant species are under threat of extinction. We're destroying eco systems and the ravage of the essential rain forests go on unabated .When Asha said "We're supposedly the most intelligent species..etc. you took him literally going on to say that animals can't make fire,we can. It's clear it wasn't meant to taken literally but to point out that how can the most intelligent species do such stupid, reckless even, things that threatens it's own existence. That's how I read it. Also, in that context don't you think that being in that position imposes a responsibility to lesser beings and the planet,as a whole ?
It is an obstacle course at night with the deer.
............I wonder who came up with that one, Oh a man?!!! 
