Panic Buying

dan_yell said:
Interested to see how many are wearing masks when i got to asda tomorrow
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I've just been to my local branch and most customers were, but one member of staff wasn't which surprised me..
All arrows directing customers have been removed, and there was no distancing of any sort.
 
andya700 said:
If it is anything like my local one, then it will be all of the customers and no staff.
Absolutely mad:mad:
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Evidently they expect the customers to protect the staff (main value of masking) but not vice versa :).
 
dan_yell said:
Interested to see how many are wearing masks when i got to asda tomorrow
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I've just got back from Tesco TBH it was very quiet in there, but everyone I saw shopping was wearing a mask.
The one way system is still in place but is Largely being ignored
andya700 said:
If it is anything like my local one, then it will be all of the customers and no staff.
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And I was just about to add that bit ;)
I'm guessing the staff think they are safe enough now ;)
 
I walked past the entrance to my asda at lunch time and the barriers that made the queue were not in place so i don't know if they have abandoned this. Hopefully my usual late night timing will even out any silliness. Not been for about a month as i did Iceland delivery, but need more specfic items now so it might be a pricey one.

The staff are at more risk being there all day and need more protection though surely? but you'd think they'd want to mask up. Given Asda had said they wopuldnt enforce the mask thing, i wondered if it may be a mecca for anti maskers
 
dan_yell said:
The staff are at more risk being there all day and need more protection though surely? but you'd think they'd want to mask up. Given Asda had said they wopuldnt enforce the mask thing, i wondered if it may be a mecca for anti maskers
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It was said staff were exempt from the wearing mask things
But just one question on that, how long can they were the cheap disposable ones or even
washable variety before they become full of germs etc from breathing through them ?
I would imagine they would become saturated with a high concentration of the course of
time and possibly for of a risk to the wearer
 
called into my local curry shop last night for a Biriyani -- not one staff wore a mask
one lady(?) was picking up chips with bare hands to drop into deep fryer
another was picking up food from trays with bare hands

I'll not go again.... :mad:
the the Biriyani was cr@p anyway
 
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masks or/and gloves

this puzzles me...if C19 lives for 36(?) hours on hard surfaces (eg trolley handles, door handles, etc ) why are we not required to wear gloves too...? I do.....(y)
 
Gremlin said:
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washable variety before they become full of germs etc from breathing through them ?
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Last I heard that a 40oC wash will kill the virus Would I bet my life on it? no chance.
@Donnie how do they wash your work kit? normal wash or autoclave?
Just curious.
 
Cobra said:
Last I heard that a 40oC wash will kill the virus Would I bet my life on it? no chance.
@Donnie how do they wash your work kit? normal wash or autoclave?
Just curious.
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Possibly but how long do they offer protection for the user whilst being worn, say a shop worker doing an
8 hour shift, how often should they change masks especially if they are the washable cloth ones ?
 
Gremlin said:
It was said staff were exempt from the wearing mask things
But just one question on that, how long can they were the cheap disposable ones or even
washable variety before they become full of germs etc from breathing through them ?
I would imagine they would become saturated with a high concentration of the course of
time and possibly for of a risk to the wearer
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Maybe but they could change them regularly in that case.
 
Yardbent said:
masks or/and gloves

this puzzles me...if C19 lives for 36(?) hours on hard surfaces (eg trolley handles, door handles, etc ) why are we not required to wear gloves too...? I do.....(y)
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Because some of us suffer allergies and can't wear them
Also how many people actually know how to put them on and more important remove them
after use ?
 
Gremlin said:
Because some of us suffer allergies and can't wear them
Also how many people actually know how to put them on and more important remove them after use ?..
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noted .. BUT surely some protection is better than going bare-handed --- IMO....... :)
 
Yardbent said:
noted .. BUT surely some protection is better than going bare-handed --- IMO....... :)
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Hand sanitizer, I carry a small bottle with me
These days most supermarkets supply cloths and spray for trolleys etc.
 
Gremlin said:
Possibly but how long do they offer protection for the user whilst being worn, say a shop worker doing an
8 hour shift, how often should they change masks especially if they are the washable cloth ones ?
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No idea. But I would suggest that once it is soiled and or gets damp.
 
Gremlin said:
Because some of us suffer allergies and can't wear them
Also how many people actually know how to put them on and more important remove them
after use ?
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Gloves come in many materials though - on my desk at work (healthcare) I have latex, vinyl & something that is latex-free but they're definitely rubbery stretchy...

Glove donning & doffing etiquette is indeed hard for the uninitiated.
 
Cobra said:
Last I heard that a 40oC wash will kill the virus Would I bet my life on it? no chance.
@Donnie how do they wash your work kit? normal wash or autoclave?
Just curious.
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All goes to somewhere in Birmingham I believe since hospitals have centralised everything. I don't honestly know what temperature they wash them all at but normal uniforms that we take home we've always been told to wash on a 60 Degree wash.

I have NO specific knowledge of 40 degrees being enough, but if you think that it's possible for a human to have a temperature of 40 degrees due to infection then I guess it could be argued 40 isn't enough?
 
Yardbent said:
masks or/and gloves

this puzzles me...if C19 lives for 36(?) hours on hard surfaces (eg trolley handles, door handles, etc ) why are we not required to wear gloves too...? I do.....(y)
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Ummm gloves don't protect you, keeping your hands clean ie washing / sanitising if no washing facilities but mainly don't be touching stuff then biting your nails or picking your nose.
 
Cobra said:
Last I heard that a 40oC wash will kill the virus Would I bet my life on it? no chance.
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Well, if a >20 second hand wash using a bar of soap is supposed to destroy it? Would I risk my life on it... it seems quite a lot of us have been relying on that advice so far! :whistle:
 
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Mr Badger said:
Well, if a 20 second hand wash using a bar of soap is supposed to destroy it? Would I risk my life on it... it seems quite a lot of us have been relying on that advice so far! :whistle:
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ummmm it has 2 actions actually, one the soap helps break the lipid barrier of the virus itself but the main action of washing your hands properly is to shed the virus off your skin, that's the most important part and is why it's better than using only sanitiser.
 
Donnie said:
Ummm gloves don't protect you, keeping your hands clean ie washing / sanitising if no washing facilities but mainly don't be touching stuff then biting your nails or picking your nose.
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Gloves can protect you, providing you don't go touching anything else with them. They'll keep the virus off your hands, but, once your gloves become infected with the virus, then they'll potentially transfer it to anything else that comes into contact with them... your mask, your face, your food, cups, door handles, keys, car steering wheel, etc., etc,. As long as you understand this, and act accordingly, then gloves may help...

However, as so many people don't even seem to be able to grasp the relatively simple concept of how to wear a mask properly (yes, your nose has to be in there too!), then I doubt telling them to wear gloves is going to help much! To be honest, from what I've seen lately, I think you'd probably have to draw a picture to tell people how their hands fit into them!
 
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Donnie said:
ummmm it has 2 actions actually, one the soap helps break the lipid barrier of the virus itself but the main action of washing your hands properly is to shed the virus off your skin, that's the most important part and is why it's better than using only sanitiser.
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Doesn't the soap also act to break down the walls of the virus particles and help destroy them? If so, how does rolling around in 40 degree heat in biological detergent for an hour or so in a domestic washing machine compare to 20 seconds with soap and a tap?
 
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Mr Badger said:
Gloves can protect you, providing you don't go touching anything else with them. They'll keep the virus off your hands, but, once your gloves become infected with the virus, then they'll potentially transfer it to anything else that comes into contact with them... your mask, your face, your food, cups, door handles, keys, car steering wheel, etc., etc,. As long as you understand this, and act accordingly, then gloves may help...
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But as long as you understand you don't need gloves at all and wash your hands as I've said, you don't need gloves at all. They are a false security to be quite honest.
 
Mr Badger said:
Doesn't the soap also act to break down the walls of the virus cells and help destroy them? If so, how does rolling around in 40 degree heat in biological detergent for an hour or so in a domestic washing machine compare to 20 seconds with soap and a tap?
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You're comparing apples and pears and by doing so appear to be trying to disparage the usefullness of hand washing there :thinking: :thinking:
 
Donnie said:
You're comparing apples and pears and by doing so appear to be trying to disparage the usefullness of hand washing there :thinking: :thinking:
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No, not at all. I was asking a question. So, for clarity, I'll ask it again. If we're trusting soap and water to clean the virus off our hands to an acceptable level during a 20+ second wash, then will putting our clothes in a 40 degree 1 to 2 hour wash with washing (biological or soap) powder in a washing machine give us a similar level of protection?
 
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broc said:
Something puzzles me; If washing hands with soap for 20 seconds is deemed to be effective against the virus, why isn't a 40 degree (or lower?) wash in a washing machine with detergent equally effective? I am sure most if not all washing machine wash cycles are longer than 20 seconds and the detergents are often stronger than ordinary soap.
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Perhaps, in the interests of humanity, we should point out at this stage that no one here is suggesting the ingestion of biological washing powder and/or climbing into a washing machine! :eek:

Well, you probably can't be too careful after that Trump related story about drinking disinfectant! :whistle:
 
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Mr Badger said:
No, not at all. I was asking a question. So, for clarity, I'll ask it again. If we're trusting soap and water to clean the virus off our hands to an acceptable level during a 20+ second wash, then will putting our clothes in a 40 degree 1 to 2 hour wash with washing (biological or soap) powder in a washing machine give us a similar level of protection?
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You're still comparing , it's not that simple. Washing machines are breeding grounds for germs to be honest so actually the higher the better but the biggest difference is that soaps and detergents have a small effect on the virus itself and as I've said it's the physical washing hands and shedding the virus that has a much better action.

Yes a washing machine is longer but there's a lot of simply moving the virus around in a "stew" and yes theres rinsing etc but there's so many nooks and crannies etc that basically in a washing machine, the hotter the better for killing germs.
 
Donnie said:
You're still comparing , it's not that simple. Washing machines are breeding grounds for germs to be honest so actually the higher the better but the biggest difference is that soaps and detergents have a small effect on the virus itself and as I've said it's the physical washing hands and shedding the virus that has a much better action.

Yes a washing machine is longer but there's a lot of simply moving the virus around in a "stew" and yes theres rinsing etc but there's so many nooks and crannies etc that basically in a washing machine, the hotter the better for killing germs.
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I can see your reasoning, and unless we know whether or not soap/washing powder will destroy the virus (and at what concentration and temperature) then I doubt we're going to get much further on the washing machine question. Unfortunately, until we know more about Covid-19 I suspect we'll all be following perceived wisdom rather than absolute fact?
 
Mr Badger said:
I can see your reasoning, and unless we know whether or not soap/washing powder will destroy the virus (and at what concentration and temperature) then I doubt we're going to get much further on the washing machine question. Unfortunately, until we know more about Covid-19 I suspect we'll all be following perceived wisdom rather than absolute fact?
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It’s interesting, I don’t think I’ve seen any discussion of laundry detergents & their effect on the virus. One would think most would be as good as soap. Paul is right about washing machines being a breeding ground for bugs but mine has a hot cleaning cycle and I would think 60° wanes would frighten them.

Funny story. I remember that at work around 1965 that we were all encouraged to use bottle soap dispensers because soap bars were considered to be breeding grounds for bugs :). It all depends ... some “bugs” can survive or even require quite extreme environments and others are killed by a bit of wood ash & fat :).
 
You need a right good scrubbing with Carbolic and a swig of Kaolin and Morphine.
Sorted inside and out, even Nurse Ratched would be alright with that regime
 
ive never felt gloves were the answer as unless you change them after each surface you've touch, you're just as likely to be contaminted or contaminate something else with them. Just santise/wash them often and don't touch your face. Plus the fact they more likely giving false sense of security and people are lobbing them on the ground. i think its much more of a grey area than masks as the ground zero source of the virus is the nose/mouth etc
 
dan_yell said:
ive never felt gloves were the answer as unless you change them after each surface you've touch, you're just as likely to be contaminted or contaminate something else with them. Just santise/wash them often and don't touch your face. Plus the fact they more likely giving false sense of security and people are lobbing them on the ground. i think its much more of a grey area than masks as the ground zero source of the virus is the nose/mouth etc
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Perhaps, but I find I’m less likely to touch my face (or it’s a ’reminder’) wearing gloves. I did used to wear them a lot handling carcinogenic chemicals etc so maybe I’m an outlier.
 
Donnie said:
but if you think that it's possible for a human to have a temperature of 40 degrees due to infection then I guess it could be argued 40 isn't enough?
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Fair point, well presented (y)

sphexx said:
It all depends ... some “bugs” can survive or even require quite extreme environments
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Streptococcus thermophilus
(I Iike heat iirc)
Blimey there's one from my college days :D

sphexx said:
. I did used to wear them a lot handling carcinogenic chemicals etc so maybe I’m an outlier.
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I always wear nitrile gloves at work as I could be at risk from weils / Leptospirosis
But the second they get holed or ripped, its out with the old and in with the new (y)
But that's a whole new subject.

Donnie said:
the hotter the better for killing germs.
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My ex was a bugger for washing everything at a low as possible temperature,
Of course it wasn't long before it ( the machine) started to smell.
Point proven I think ;)
 
i guess we should get back to panic buying..... (as a subject i mean, not actually doing it lol)

no large tins of chick peas at asda last night. Went about 830 and some shelves were looking a bit like a locust attack, but to be fair, pre covid sometimes it looked like that too! The bog roll i wanted was gone (coconut oil infused, its smells so nice!) but it was on offer so i guess thats expected in any normal time too. there is still one door for in and one for out and hand gel and spray at the entrance however the barriers for the queue outside were gone last time i walked past in the day time, and there was also a workman doing something to the floor in several aisles and i might be wrong but i think they were removing the one way arrows from the floor as on the way out i noticed they were not in place in some other aisle. I said to the woman at the self scan who had to approve somethiong on my order what the work was all about and she said something about a sushi bar being installed??? in an asda? weird. we'll see i guess.

Their freezers also must have a terrible problems as they have glaciers of ice in them and im sure a lot of the ice cream ends up freezer burnt
 
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@dan_yell My Asda has removed all the one way stickers and already has a sushi bar!

Plenty of everything when I was in earlier and no queue either, all seems to be normal with reasonable distancing and masks being worn by all the customers I saw. Nice wide aisles so a good place for me to shop.
 
@Tigger.ufo will be interested to see what the sushi bar is like, i've tried the to go stuff at Waitrose which is pretty top notch (like the stuff thats prepared daily) in comparison to normal lunch ones.

I walked past on my lunch break and no queue (my aunt had asked me about so i thought the daytime was a better judge than my evening visit) so i assume they are not limiting numbers any more? Most people had masks yesterday, but i think with less people it was hard to get a general feel of usage overall. They didnt have any malted milk biscuits (aaprt from chocolate covered) which i thought was weird! (i am planning on making NZ 'lolly cake')
 
Ordered 48 loo rolls from amazon last night. Nothing to do with panic buying or the virus. Only had 1 roll left in the house and had no plans for leaving my house till Monday. Massive hangover from Friday and there was a deal on, should last till next year :D
 
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