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bit of a rant from me im afraid (dont all act surprised)..

some of you may have seen recently on local hampshire news that a sea eagle had made a very rare appearance in the south of the new forest. although i never had the chance to go take a look myself the area that it seemed to be mostly located was extremely close to the parents place.

bbcs article on the sightings: http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/hampshire/hi/people_and_places/nature/newsid_9383000/9383249.stm

anyway talking to dad about it today and it seems that the so called nature enthusiasts that came to see the eagle actually made quite a mess, the hedges and verges along the lane were littered with costa cups and sandwich packets (etc etc) from the local tescos.

also cars tearing up the verges when parking and generally blocking access for locals along what are very narrow lanes in that area. at some points 100 or so cars were parked nose to tail along the side of the road which on an already narrow lane meant there were no passing points for meeting vehicles.

tripods poking out in the road was apparently quite a big problem.. :cuckoo:

when dad spoke to a few visitors about the litter and parking they were actually pretty rude to him. i wish he'd rung me to be honest.

anyway, my point is please be conciderate for locals, your surrounding environment and please take your litter home with you. and please have some respect when a local mentions a problem.

thanks.
 
Perhaps you rant may be better aimed at a bird watching forum than a photographic one.

From my experience this specific problem seems to be caused more by bird watchers who take photographs as opposed to photographers who photograph birds. (If that makes sense)
 
I suspect it's just how some people are :'(.

If you drop litter it doesn't matter where it is, you drop litter.

Personally I would have it made a hanging offence, but that's just me :D

David
 
I am with you 100% on this one Neil. If it were me I would have got the locals to have gathered as much as the rubbish as possible, photographed it along with the damage done to the verges and sent them back to the BBC asking them to publish what had happened.
 
I have to say that if a rare bird put an appearance in round here I'd keep it quiet. If news did get out then I'd do my level best to move it off - twitchers are a bloody nuisance. There was a rare swallow around the local doctor's surgery a couple of years ago and they were obstructing access for patients.

I've no problem with regular birdwatchers it's the numpties that travel the length of the country at the drop of a hat just to tick a box that are a menace.
 
I detest some peoples attitude to litter/parking/personal behaviour but it all seems to stem from a our fast paced, self-indulgent, disposable society - have a good rant and get it off your chest the worst thing about people is of course people and unfortunately it seems to me those with a bad social conscience seem to be in the ascendance :(

Paul
 
Fairly typical of twitchers nowadays I'm afraid. They seem to be mostly townies who only venture off tarmac to get a tick in their log book.

This isn't casting aspersions at the birding community on here btw, but a very particular breed of idiot.

I grew up on top of the White Cliffs and the amount of hassle cause by a stray migratory was immense.
 
Islander said:
I have to say that if a rare bird put an appearance in round here I'd keep it quiet. If news did get out then I'd do my level best to move it off - twitchers are a bloody nuisance. There was a rare swallow around the local doctor's surgery a couple of years ago and they were obstructing access for patients.

I've no problem with regular birdwatchers it's the numpties that travel the length of the country at the drop of a hat just to tick a box that are a menace.
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Was it an African or European Swallow - any idea on the carrying capacity?

I get really annoyed by people dropping litter. I was behind a car at the lights yesterday and the guy wound down the window to drop some litter out of it. If I had my camera I would have taken a photo of the car, with the litter on the floor next to it and reported him. What it the point of doing that? The car was a nice new Volvo Estate, and I am sure they come with bins inside them.

We spend a stupid amount of money every year on litter picking, money which could be spent on better things if people had some consideration.
 
People who act like this make me sick, long gone are the days when I ignore ignorant people.
Last summer I was out with the dog and camera in a nature reserve and I saw some pleb throw a coffee cup.
I was polite to him but he was a gobby little ****.
I pointed the camer and said 'smile' when he said why, I informed him that I have software that if his photo is on the internet (everyone on facebook does), it will scan he photo, search the internet and link it to his details and post it onto a website where people act upon anyone who abuses the envoironment.
Naturally I risked him loosing the plot and punching me but his girlfriend freaked out and made him pick it up :D
I've said for a long time that stupidity and gullabilty go hand in hand.
 
DemiLion said:
Fairly typical of twitchers nowadays I'm afraid. They seem to be mostly townies who only venture off tarmac to get a tick in their log book.
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:lol Mark :D
 
It's been my experience that the real nature photographers and serious twitchers are pretty good about not leaving litter, they understand the danger to wildlife and don't want to see the countryside spoiled. I suspect it the amateur twitchers and average idiots who has seen it on the news and just want to say they saw it are the most lightly culprits.
 
Wayne, you need to differentiate between twitchers and birders. There's a vast difference between the two!
 
DemiLion said:
Wayne, you need to differentiate between twitchers and birders. There's a vast difference between the two!
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Pah, they spend a fortune on equipment, go out at silly hours of the day, go out of their way for their hobby...

Oh. Hang on a minute...


:D
 
DemiLion said:
Wayne, you need to differentiate between twitchers and birders. There's a vast difference between the two!
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Not forgetting us Dudes!

I went up once to try and see the eagle about a month ago, its' only up the road from where I work, couldnt see anywhere to park (didnt think of churning up the verges and parking there) so I left. Catching up with a flock of waxwings later in Christchurch was much more fun.
 
DemiLion said:
Wayne, you need to differentiate between twitchers and birders. There's a vast difference between the two!
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swanseamale47 said:
?? I'm not up on the current expressions it seems.
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Birders generally don't like Twitchers. Birders are interested in recording the migratory patterns and habits of native birds and generally interested in the conservation of their habitat. Twitchers are just after ticking off the next species in their books at any cost.
 
I was in Keyhaven early one morning afew weeks back, when I got back to the car it was boxed in on three sides and had bird watchers lending on it with their cameras and scopes. i asked them to move with on luck, by this time the police had arrived as they were blocking the road and helped me.
 
Mike Jackson said:
Birders generally don't like Twitchers. Birders are interested in recording the migratory patterns and habits of native birds and generally interested in the conservation of their habitat. Twitchers are just after ticking off the next species in their books at any cost.
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Thank you Mike. And my apologies to any Birders and Twitchers I may have inadvertently offended.
 
hashcake said:
I informed him that I have software that if his photo is on the internet (everyone on facebook does), it will scan he photo, search the internet and link it to his details and post it onto a website where people act upon anyone who abuses the envoironment.
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:clap:
 
JohnK said:
I was in Keyhaven early one morning afew weeks back, when I got back to the car it was boxed in on three sides and had bird watchers lending on it with their cameras and scopes. i asked them to move with on luck, by this time the police had arrived as they were blocking the road and helped me.
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do i know you? your location is where i grew up lol
 
Mike Jackson said:
Birders generally don't like Twitchers. Birders are interested in recording the migratory patterns and habits of native birds and generally interested in the conservation of their habitat. Twitchers are just after ticking off the next species in their books at any cost.
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I didn't know there was a difference, regardless though no one should leave a mess, I've seen some unholy piles of crap left by spectators at various race circuits even when there are large bins all over. Could you note down reg numbers and report them to the local council for littering? my brother in law got a £50 fine through the post here for flicking a fag end out of his van,(he says it's not his usual practice), but he's extra careful now.:lol:
 
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