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Morning everybody I have just applied to re-join the d.p.s. and was very surprised (not) that my membership application was refused there answer was
;-:cuckoo:In the light of this I think you can assume the Committee feel that you are being deliberately difficult. They will take the same opportunity to give it 'consideration', just as you have done.
Yours faithfully,
Paul Adams

how can a charity turn down money and members i was organising sponsership with First Group of which I am a Director of. But that has all been lost and the money will be put towards another deserving charity.:bang:
 
Hi All, I also tried to rejoin the DPS with the same reply as RVHarry, but mine was put more politely, but still means the same and that my cheque will be in the post as the secretary was holding it whilst the committee were deciding whether to let me rejoin or not. When I sent off my application I enclosed a letter ( quite grovelling saying that I felt I had been too hasty in leaving the DPS) But it appears they don't want any members from Bristol..Just what are they afraid of....
 
Can you report them to the Charity commision if you don't feel happy with their actions?

Is there another local charity you can piggyback onto? Guidestar lets you search
http://www.guidestar.org.uk/

Or to be honest, if it's all about the local studio then go it alone. It sounds like you have the resources etc
 
I think the charity commision is fed up with all of us reporting things, at the moment I think they are a waste of time, we feel we have a genuine grievance and they just tell us to sort it out ourselves, but when we try the powers that be within the DPS don't want to listen, won't listen and if we try to have a say they just ban us from the website and in some cases offer our membership fee back, it is not all the committe who are the problem, just a certain few, but as they have been on the committee from the year dot they won't accept change or progress, I heard one of them say ' I don't like change, I am too old' well if he feels too old perhaps he should move over and let younger people take the DPS into the 21st century, if they don't it will just die of old age, and that would be a pity.:shrug:
 
Why not write to one of the disability magazines, such as Able and tell them of your story.
 
Hiya All,

Well the group in Bristol has succeeded in keeping itself together having had a studio session today with equipment borrowed from one of its members.

As to going to the press, the local papers have covered it and are interested in following the story up.

Picking up on the theme of going it alone, we could be very temped to do this, at heart there is a feeling we would like to see reform in the DPS - strangely there is a little movement on that front with the web page about the AGM now asking for nominations for committee members and one or two other things - strangely that did not happen before the AGM that was eventually cancelled! There is quite a strong feeling that having raised this issue it needs to be seen through!

Thanks all for you comments and support.

Chris
 
:bang:Morning all I have just heard that a member of the dps from Bristol has been suspended from there forum untill May 2010 ...are they trying to wipe bristol from the face of the dps....comments please:cuckoo:
 
Hi all,
I would be interested to know if its only /all of the Bristol members who have been suspended
 
Having received a letter from the departing Chairman of the DPS, and bringing myself to this site to have a look at what was going on, I feel I really ought to tell a very interesting story, not to change anyone’s opinions, you all have brains to work it out yourself but just to tell everyone of our experiences with this same organisation a couple of years ago......
My husband, John is disabled as a result of a road accident, and is a keen photographer and in early 2007 joined the DPS as a result of an advert in a national magazine. I retired from my job as a magazine editor to look after John and we moved to an adapted bungalow in North Yorkshire where we settled happily but found ourselves short of an interest. John took great delight in the DPS site, ‘talking’ to friends and discussing photography.
We saw the magazine In Focus, which was little more than a very badly produced newsletter and they were asking for volunteers to take over the editing of the magazine as the previous editor was ill. John telephoned and advised them that I was a professional editor and to cut a long story short I agreed to take on ‘In Focus’. That was fine, I expectantly waited for the copy for the magazine to arrive, not having a clue what should go into it. I was sent a few photographs and that was it.. I contacted the chairman, and the then secretary and it culminated with a situation where a magazine. totally redesigned,emerged and contained mostly content written by myself and the secretary as we had nothing else to put in it. I used John’s photographs as I only had very few from the members. It took me ages to find out who printed the magazine as I needed to know what format to send it in, and eventually got in touch with the printers, who told me what size and specifications were required.
I e-mailed the finished copy to the Secretary who checked it all. I asked the Chairman if she wanted to look but she said she was dyslexic and would prefer someone else to do it.
After I sent it off to the printers, we went off on holiday to Scotland. Whilst there I visited my son and checked e mail on his computer. I was amazed to find one from the Chairman who accused me of having overspent on the magazine, and more or less accusing me of misappropriating funds. The fact of the matter was that no-one had given me a budget, so how could I have overspent? And I had no access at all to the accounts or finances of the DPS. We telephoned her from our caravan, and she said that sometimes she got things wrong, as she was dyslexic and not to worry! I was most upset! We got home however to loads of correspondence, emails and correspondence from the DPS members (even from some of the Trustees) all congratulating us on the new look magazine and saying how much they had enjoyed it.
I prepared the next copy of the magazine and in view of what had happened previously, I felt someone in authority should okay it. At the time the DPS were having their annual holiday in North Wales, and we decided, to spend a few days down there in our caravan and try and get to know them. We could not afford to stay in the hotel, so we put our caravan on a local site from where we could go to the hotel to meet everyone. That first night was dreadful we were treated by the Chairman and her cronies as ‘outsiders’ from the start and no-one even introduced us. We felt most uncomfortable.
On the Saturday there was a studio day and John was interested in attending. Whilst there the subject of the new look magazine was bought up, and the Chairman looking at my hours of hard work sat there and told me that whoever had put the photographs in it, they weren’t worth the paper they were printed on! Of course they were John’s photos and he heard every word she said --and he was most distressed by this. She also infuriated me when she had been showing some guy how to use his camera, she came back to her seat and announced loudly that she had been overpowered by the dreadful smell of the chap!!!!!
Later in the week we took the proofs of the magazine, by prior arrangement on disk, to show to the Chairman. She looked at one page and then said she didn’t have the correct software on her laptop to look at it. Other people put software on her computer for her as she didn’t know how!
We then decided to do our own thing for the rest of our time in Wales as no-one would miss us!
When we arrived home John went on to the DPS Forum and during some correspondence with another member the subject of the Chairman saying his pictures were rubbish came up. All hell broke loose!! John was barred from the website, and is still barred. I was never a member in the first place!
I finished the magazine and sent it to the Printers and a few days later I received a letter from the DPS Chairman ‘sacking’ me from the job, accusing me have having put derogatory comments on the website and a whole heap of other speil accusing me of god knows what.
I had spent hours and hours redesigning that publication. I hold personal copyright on my writing and on the design, but when I pointed it out no-one took the slightest bit of notice. It was printed anyway without my permission. I had spent pounds on software to produce the magazine on, and spent many hours of my time designing it. A short time later, a friend of the Chairman’s from her Bristol area was appointed as magazine editor . A short time later the Secretary, who had been my only helper was similarly sacked without explanation despite the fact that he had been elected by the membership but that’ s for him to tell, not me
Imagine how surprised I was when I saw Shirley Britton’s contribution to this current argument. I was amazed to see that she had personally been responsible for the changes in the magazine . To read that the woman who didn’t know how to put software on her computer is trained in IT??? Amazing!! How dare she write to me telling me she had been badly treated?? What a damned cheek.
I don’t know about this photographic studio , but it’s typical that it should be in Bristol, where no other members have access to it. For us to go there it would take a six hours drive.
I hope that this present scenario makes the DPS see that they have a National membership not a local one. Personally I’d sooner believe Tom Molloy’s account of what happened. I’ve met Tom, he’s a nice guy!
 
Morning your letter made interstering reading....At the last committee meeting in Bristol Tom Malloy (acting chairman and webmaster)stated that YOU had given up the editing the magizine due to ill health.
 
I still have all the correspondence to prove it. I've emailed the former secretary this morning as I feel sure he'd like to verify all this or at least to have nosy to see what's happening!!:lol:
 
I have just heard from the former secretary who has given me permission to use his words..so here you are....

"Isn’t it a pity about the DPS………..I am banned from being a member ever again by the way, and I don’t miss it at all. Having been nearly driven mad and nearly put out of business by the way I was treated by them, I am really pleased to see that the seeds of dissatisfaction are finally bearing fruit.

I have read the entire thread and having done so, feel no desire to contribute. If I did, it would open a whole new can of worms which could end up involving legal proceedings and I really don’t want to go there. We were there and we saw the rot setting in and if they want an amateur old boys club, they can have it. I suppose that what we really need is a proper society for disabled photographers run by disabled photographers for the benefit of the society as a whole rather than just the chosen few.

I had a lot of happy memories of my DPS days and thought that I was among friends, I was devastated and damaged by what that bunch of miserable b******s did to me,"

Well spoken that man!!!!:wave:
 
jan many thanks for giving us a insight of what the dps usto be like it sounds like nothing has changed as a member of 4 months before i had my membership fees returned they sound like a dictatorship u take care
 
Hi Jan,

Thanks for giving us your side of things and how you see it, to be honest from what I have seen here so far I am not surprised by what you have to say.

I made my own observations on Shirley Brittons post in post number 64 of this thread.

It seems to me that there was a clique at the DPS headed by Shirley Britton and this clique has finally been removed by the DPS which is now trying to get on with what the DPS was set up for, to serve all disabled photographers from all areas of the country and not some small clique.

Now it seems this small clique has found its way onto Talk Photography and are using it as some personal battle ground against the DPS.

Thanks once again for speaking up Jan.

Take care, Keith
 
jan many thanks for giving us a insight of what the dps usto be like it sounds like nothing has changed as a member of 4 months before i had my membership fees returned they sound like a dictatorship u take care


I think you have missed to point

Things have and are changing which is why you and the rest, it seems to me, have been removed from the DPS
 
Jans case seems a very sad one as does the ex secretary.
I would like to hear the otherside. Because I always believe their are two sides. Which I may add has now been done for the DPS and everyone can now have a balanced view.
I do know the lady who took over as editer ....she also is gone now.

Unfortunatly the DPS Committee (without Shirley) are still behaving in 'the old boys club' fasion banning and sacking people, including Shirley Britton.
People are still being banned.
I would like to say that I have been banned from the forum , and I have NEVER written on it! that cannot be write.

The comments about the clicky Bristol people is SO wrong ,
The people who were involved with the studio had the bigger picture in mind and did everything possible to incourage all members to expand their knowledge and the hope WAS to open more studios in other areas to make the experiance more available to more members.....what is the problem with that.
I would also like to say there are people on the committee I could slag off, but I dont because a committe is just that ...a bodie of PEOPLE not just one person who act as a whole.
In my opinion the committee who are standing now need reforming .
 
Suffice to say that since Ms Britton resigned we've received an apology from the DPS who now realise that we were speaking the truth and they have admitted that we were banned on Ms Britton's instructions. At least on this site we can speak the truth without getting censored or barred We can, incidentally now get on the DPS Forum and have been invited to rejoin if we wish, which we are considering.
So after all this time, it looks like the old sayings are true doesn't it.. what goes around, comes around and every dog has it's day!
 
Suffice to say that since Ms Britton resigned we've received an apology from the DPS who now realise that we were speaking the truth and they have admitted that we were banned on Ms Britton's instructions. At least on this site we can speak the truth without getting censored or barred We can, incidentally now get on the DPS Forum and have been invited to rejoin if we wish, which we are considering.
So after all this time, it looks like the old sayings are true doesn't it.. what goes around, comes around and every dog has it's day!

Who knows, but having met Shirley I am shocked by what you allege. It could be a clever smoke screen, it could be fact, but who knows?

However, the material fact is that by attempting to ostracize Shirley, the DPS have alienated other disabled photographers which either way is not on and they invented this bristol mafia situation to discredit all of the people in Bristol....

Thats the way I see it sadly.

And, finally, what ever happens, the Phoenix has risen locally without the aid of the DPS (for what little that was worth in the end) and you have been welcomed back into the fold so it is a win win situation as I see it. Testament to all of the people involved I think....

Perhaps in the long term you could keep people on TP updated on what the DPS will start to offer you now they want your money again? Hope it goes well.
 
The difference being that I can back up every word I say with the correspondence from the time. I had the presence of mind to keep it all.
The Bristol Mafia (your words not mine) was evident as long ago as 2007, I saw it with my own eyes and if you've managed to get your own photo studio going locally without support from the DPS then surely it will give the DPS the opportunity to do what they set out to do and look after the interests of all disabled photographers in the UK and that can only be to the common good. So everyone's happy aren't they? Hopefully that will solve the problem.
 
sadley I think since her absence from the Dps , Jan has not seen what has been going on and possibly is slightly prejudice againt anything to do with Shirley Britton.
Their are many areas of the Dps that need looking at , maybe not in this forum.
To label all members ,of which there are a few! from the same area is frankley a disgrase .
Are we apostles or free speaking individuals with a mind?
I think despite our disabilities we ARE free speaking individuals , and as one such person I think the commitee( who have sacked me for that very reason)
need to look at the way the are running their society.....it is not nessassarily for the good of the membership!!
 
Jan Hi,

Firstly, thank you very much for contributing to this thread, I am the original author of it and have not had a chance until now to take note of your comments and subsequent ones made by other contributors to it throughout the day. When I started the thread I asked the question “what did people think of the DPS?” no loading in that, it was worded so you could do precisely what you have done, put a different view to others, so thank you very much for that.

I only joined at the DPS at the end of last year. I live in Bristol, liked many of the things I saw of it and felt that it would be of benefit to me. I accept your comments around equal access to the studio but as a new member I would see that more as a model to be copied elsewhere rather than as fully unequal, as somebody wrote on another forum the RPS is based in Bath many people around the country do not have such good access to it as people living in this area, somehow that issue has to be addressed.

I became rather concerned as to why the AGM was cancelled at such short notice, then going to the studio two days later learnt why. I posted a question on the DPS forum asking why this should be, consider I am a new member but I have belonged to lots of groups and committees and can assure you I do not always believe the first story I am told. I was rather surprised by the response I got, the thread was instantly closed, I was told it was unconstitutional to discuss this issue like that, I challenged this had some blunt emails from the webmaster, tried again to get views from DPS members and found myself banned from the forum. All of this for trying to learn the other side(s) of this issue and with no history other than contributing to the forum and posting pictures there!! That is my experience.

There are some major issues with this Society, not least the way its committee is elected and how it communicates with its members. Its a rather old fashioned idea to try and discuss an issue like the closing of the studio – which did actually do some really good work – through letters in a quarterly magazine!!! If members cannot express views openly and freely I would question how representative a society is of its members.

I am sure I have now been branded as a member of the ‘Bristol Mafia’ - as the DPS now refer to those members living in this area but in a way I have been pushed into that position through not being allowed to have an open discussion on the DPS website where I tried to get a cross section of views. I cannot point you in the direction of that thread, other than it being quoted on this thread, because it has now been removed as has another person’s thread who is totally independent of the situation here in Bristol, yet the webmaster quotes to me that they do not censor the forum!

Let us be fair, the DPS has, and does, do some very good work but clearly there are and have been deep divisions within it for some time.

I think you raised a really important issue, the need for a society OF disabled photographers and not FOR. There is another thread on TP asking what the needs of disabled photographers are; I apologies I have not checked it yet this evening and you may have contributed to it, but perhaps that would be a very good place to continue that aspect of your valued contribution.

Regards
Chris
 
Having read your several postings I've come to the conclusion that you ARE Shirley Britton using a nom de plume as you spell as badly and spout off in exactly the same manner as that person does, making conclusions without any foundation or forethought:thumbsdown:

Therefore I shall treat you in exactly the same way as she treated us! Is that fair enough??
 
This thread is going south fast now, clearly this is a subject that is close to the hearts of a lot of you, but do we need the accusations and mud slinging on here as well!?
 
This thread is going south fast now, clearly this is a subject that is close to the hearts of a lot of you, but do we need the accusations and mud slinging on here as well!?
Apologies if I caused you offence Rob, that was not my intention
 
Jan hi i can assure you dizzt blonde is not Shirly as you think sorry to dissapoint you. But are you Tom Malloy!!!:cuckoo:
 
Not unless he's suddenly developed a 'D' Cup and grown his hair long!!

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LOL :D
 
Iwould like to clarify that Iam not Shirley Britton, and I hope I have not come accross as mud slinging , if I have I apologise.
I think as I said befor it is always helpfull to have a balanced view and I think some people have missed that point.
I have worked hard to help at the DPS, however it seems that once questions are asked you get it thrown back in your face.
 
Iwould like to clarify that Iam not Shirley Britton, and I hope I have not come accross as mud slinging , if I have I apologise.
I think as I said befor it is always helpfull to have a balanced view and I think some people have missed that point.
I have worked hard to help at the DPS, however it seems that once questions are asked you get it thrown back in your face.
Yes, and I agree, it is always helpful to have a different point of view which is exactly why I made my contribution yesterday to set a contra point of view for everyone to consider, not to sling mud or anything else but simply to make people aware that this was not the first time things like this had occurred in the DPS in the last couple of years. Hopefully now the people who used the studio in Bristol have it up and running and got what they were fighting for they will now feel that their mission is accomplished and the DPS having removed itself from it's unwanted financial responsibility will now be at liberty to get on and do what they are supposed to do and support the requirements of Disabled Photographers nationally.They have been sadly neglected in some parts of the country whilst all this has been happening. Whatever happens this sort of animosity is not good for the society, not good for the membership, and while everyone is swiping at one another and trying to score points off one another nothing very constructive is happening anywhere.. is it?
 
Keith,

People often are fearful of change and oppose it. But may I pose a question? Who here is trying to maintain the status quo? Who is trying to hold on to how the society acted in the past and not change it? I don;t have that past historical perspective, but what I can say of myslef is I most certainly am not change adverse.

Regards

Chris
 
I will take no further part in this or any discussion now as frankly I am bored of it. I went to the DPS to help people. End.
 
Keith,

People often are fearful of change and oppose it. But may I pose a question? Who here is trying to maintain the status quo? Who is trying to hold on to how the society acted in the past and not change it? I don;t have that past historical perspective, but what I can say of myslef is I most certainly am not change adverse.

Regards

Chris
I think everyone would agree that there is no point going back to having things the way they were. I think in view of what's been happening everyone concerned, should sit down, dust themselves off and have a cooling off period. Then, once batteries are recharged is the time to consult everyone within the membership and acting within the constitution laid down already ask for nominations for a committee and have either an AGM or an extraordinary General Meeting to ratify everything and get back on an even keel. I dont think while feelings are running as high as they obviously are in ALL concerned anything useful can be achieved. My philosophy has always been 'act as if tomorrow is the first day of your life, and start again' perhaps this is an instance where it may work?
 
Jan Hi

Yes, the AGM would have been a really good place to do that, but it was canclled four days before the studio was dismantled, that has really hyped this issue and it did not need to happen.

Below are the minutes of a committee meeting held on the 29th March 6 weeks before the studio was dismantled.


• Future of the studio / base
This includes requests for detailed accounting for expenditure and income generated directly by the studio (i.e. not including internal grants from Focus and other sales takings etc.) Terry Cartwright expressed the opinion that the studio was too small, too far away and whilst providing a venue for the AGM, committee meetings and tutorials, was too expensive as it did not meet the needs of the general membership and that the lease should be terminated.
It was explained that the idea of a society base had been an aspiration and that at one time Mike had been investigating a cheaper option in Taunton. The adoption of the Vassal Centre as a base had come about through Shirley’s involvement and the committee had agreed to give it a try for the period of the lease. It was acknowledged by all that having a base anywhere in the country would disadvantage those further away. Ideally, we would have centres around the country but this would be unmanageable. Consequently, the committee discussed the costings for the studio; essentially it costs £5200 annually, and over the past 6 months has generated £1200 from events, additionally a £1000 grant from Tesco was towards the studio being set up. Whilst initial costs are over £7000, some of these are one-off purchases of equipment.
Further discussion revolved around the studio being seen as divisive as it is really only used by those living locally. Sheala Denning was present to support Shirley with domestic arrangements. She was asked to comment on her view of the studio. It was clear that she has found the facility very valuable, which was positive and showed that the commitment of resources had not been wasted. However, to have money sitting unused in the bank would not seem to be best use of funds.
It was felt that the Committee needed a clearer understanding of usage and costs; consequently the Chairman was asked to prepare a report. Nick asked if the idea to be discussed as item 5 might run alongside the commitment to the studio until the end of the lease next year (April 2010).

What changed in that period? The committee appeared largely behind keeping it going! Question, who hyped this issue?

Chris
 
I have absolutely no idea who hyped it all up, The first I heard of this issue was when I had a letter from Shirley Britton and I came to this website to see what was going on. Surely as I said in my last post there is no point keep going over the past, as it will change nothing will it? I have found always the best thing to do in life is to put things behind you, as I had done with my previous bad experiences with the DPS and what I'm saying is that maybe everyone would be better moving on and try to rebuild from what bricks are left in the pile..Just an opinion...
 
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