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Look forward to see what you think @mike weeks
You doing a video review Mike ?Well that is my sample arrived to play with, feels really solidly built and 500 full power flashes from that little battery seems amazing
Mike
Link?
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8oheDUxVxM
Look from 3:01
Seems a little low! Unless he meant 500
I'm not at all sure that the AD200 will be a game changer - what exactly does it offer that existing products don't?
I also think the AD200 is a potential game-changer, if Godox develops it's 'modular' aspects as I (and others) hope they might.
Instead of different standalone units for different tasks (eg speedlites, studio heads, battery/location lights etc) with different power outputs and flash tubes, and all using different remote control systems, there would be just one basic 'power/generator unit' and one common remote control/trigger. You would then clip together one or more power units according to task, attach the most appropriate flash tube, fit the right battery (or mains). The modifier mount could also become a separate module, housing a bright modelling lamp with its own power supply.
If something along these lines is anywhere in Godox's long term vision, then that would certainly be a game-changer. The AD200 looks like it could be a big first step in that direction.
@mike weeks i was wondering, did the ad200 you received kit come with the wee barndoors and filters accessories that ive seen in some of the photos, or was it just the basic light by itself.
Not sure what I'm supposed to get from this Mike. The f/numbers don't make much sense. What are you wanting to show, and how are you doing it?
When comparing speedlights and bare-bulbs flashes, a medium size softbox is best, double-diffuser, speedlight on widest zoom setting (without wide-panel), distance 1m. Greater distances increase the risk of environmental factors skewing things, and reduce brightness to marginal levels at lower power settings.
@HoppyUK
So a re-test measuring at 1m, meter on full stops
V860II
1/125 f11 decimal 4
AD200
1/125 f16 decimal 3
so 9/10 stops greater than V860II
AD360II
1/125 f16 decimal 7
4/10 stops greater than AD200
AD600
1/125 f22 decimal 1
4/10 stops brighter than AD360II
8/10 stops greater than AD200
Whilst chatting with Edward Tang the owner of Cheetahstand last night he said that they have said the bulb position on the AD600 is all wrong and that if it could be brought maybe 1/2" to 3/4" forward then it would appear much brighter, he thinks it is losing power in the collar of the Bowens adapter. Applying that to the other lights then some tuning needs to occur to find the sweet spot for power.
Mike
Good work Mike
I think suspicions around the depth of S-type/Bowens mounts are well founded. I use Elinchrom which is much wider (you can squeeze two speedlights inside) and less deeply recessed, so no problems there. I have S-type and Elinchrom softbox adapters in front of me now and the S-type is 18mm deeper and 20mm narrower diameter. This will absolutely make a difference. And just quickly comparing pictures of the AD600 vs other S-type heads, you can see the problem that Edward Tang refers to. In the interests of compactness, it looks like Godox have just bolted an S-type mount to the AD600 without adjusting the flange-back distance accordingly.
I think the "APPEAR much brighter" is relevant, but also potentially misleading. When combined with the right *reflector*, moving the bulb forward can concentrate the light. I.e. if you move the source farther from a parabolic reflector it concentrates/focuses the light, and if you move it closer to the reflector it spreads the light.Whilst chatting with Edward Tang the owner of Cheetahstand last night he said that they have said the bulb position on the AD600 is all wrong and that if it could be brought maybe 1/2" to 3/4" forward then it would appear much brighter, he thinks it is losing power in the collar of the Bowens adapter. Applying that to the other lights then some tuning needs to occur to find the sweet spot for power.
I think the "APPEAR much brighter" is relevant, but also potentially misleading. When combined with the right *reflector*, moving the bulb forward can concentrate the light. I.e. if you move the source farther from a parabolic reflector it concentrates/focuses the light, and if you move it closer to the reflector it spreads the light.
But if not matched to the right reflector size/shape it will not necessarily work that way. And I'm less certain of the benefit/effect when using a softbox... I think it would be a matter of "evenness" rather than significant power/brightness.
I have a few more tests that I want to carry out, first compare the AD200 to the AD360 with the AD-S7 multi softbox which is designed for the small godox mount
Secondly I have ordered an AD-S6 umbrella reflector to try mounting it into a bowens fit softbox to see what that does.
Mike
I reckon that if they will supply me with the bulb mount I could build a test piece to improve performance.
Mike
If I compare my Bowens lights with the AD600 it is easy to see a difference in positioning and also the Bowens has a built in back reflector
I know where you're coming from Steven, but I think parabolic references are way off beam (haha) in 95% of all situations
So, how is the AD200 @mike weeks,well built? Display easy to read? Etc...No idea what those numbers meant so is there much power difference between the 360ii and the new AD200.
I was under the impression to mount my Rotalux mods to an AD600 I'd need to buy the Bowens version, then use an Elinchrom->Bowens adapter on my softboxes. Is this not the case?
Some can be done with this http://www.wexphotographic.com/buy-...idlqlztn29mjgzdms31uqj_nlhcfkzhzfdxocpenw_wcb
Mike
It is with a beauty dish...which makes me think that placement of the light in the modifier is absolutely critical
It is with a beauty dish...
There's one way to know... point it at a wall About 3ft away w/o the diffusion; if the pattern is not even then it's not right. I have one I bought a while ago but I have yet to use/test it.Point with the AD-S7 is that you would hope that Godox have it fit in the optimum position
Mike
Perhaps the reference to "parabolic" is misleading... all reflectors behave basically the same (the specific curvature is more a refinement on maximum efficiency for a specific result).
I'm still not convinced in terms of the AD600's recessed mounting... where is the light *loss*? Maybe a slight bit in the non reflective collar... which I estimate would mostly be adjacent to the bulb stems (not a major contributor).
In your softbox scenario I rather doubt the mounting would create a measurable difference. I do think it will probably make a notable difference in the efficiency/pattern with reflectors.
Perhaps the reference to "parabolic" is misleading... all reflectors behave basically the same (the specific curvature is more a refinement on maximum efficiency for a specific result).
I'm still not convinced in terms of the AD600's recessed mounting... where is the light *loss*? Maybe a slight bit in the non reflective collar... which I estimate would mostly be adjacent to the bulb stems (not a major contributor).
In your softbox scenario I rather doubt the mounting would create a measurable difference. I do think it will probably make a notable difference in the efficiency/pattern with reflectors.