I'm sorry but now you've strayed in gortch territory "you can think what you like but i'm right and your wrong" is not a sensible grounds for discussion, if you think that then the discussion is over before it starts.
If you were as much as an expert as you think you are you'd recognise that (as David indeed did , ref wordswortth/Keroac etc)
I could get that up to 14.02 if I lived in a windmill and wore a kaftan.
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If Wordsworth hadn't been born in Cumbria would he have been inspired to write his poetry elsewhere, or would he have moved to The Lakes? He wrote poetry about other places, after all. I suggest that while place can determine the way work develops it doesn't make people creative out of nothing. It's a chicken and egg thing.
What cobblers this 'everyone's opinion is equally valid' is. Unfortunately it seems to abound on the 'democratic' internet.
indeed - but they were places that inspired him, he didnt write "an ode to the inside of a dreary dwelling house" as far as i'm aware
created in a three bedroom terrace house on the edge of an industrial city, wishing i was in a windmill
You by the way have outwitted yourself with the phrase "Pookeyhead works in education with creative people, so his opinion should carry more weight on this subject than someone who shovels s*** for a living"
according to your previous comments shovelling s*** for a living should not make you any less creative, just as where you live apparently has nothing to do with it.
If you are going to enter a debate best to be consistent with your reasoning.
TP or not TP
Light falling through the blackout gap weaves its way across my vision
challenging me to look away from the monitor to the green fields beyond my window
the melancholy hum of the the motorway drowned out by the rhythmic pulsating house music emanating from the wooden box on my window ledge
another light flickers as another batteries life is refreshed, they sit in a row like obedient soldiers just awaiting their next task
my fingers dance away on the keyboard sending out messages across the net for some to see and some forget
and then .... inspired by a cup of coffee delivered by a lovely dark haired girl - I post a photo and wait
last nights freezing cold antics on the top of a hill
fumbling with the settings with frozen hands
braving the late night Rottweiler walker in the dark
to get a photo of an Angel in the Stars
will people like it
will the noise be too high
will the horizon be wonky
or too many stars in the sky
another day passes another hour gone
moments of life - just part of its song
created in a three bedroom terrace house on the edge of an industrial city, wishing i was in a windmill
Didn't William Morris idealise the carpentry craftsman in his simple cottage, for his creativity in creating a simple yet beautiful chair?
I have a feeling that at some point, Morris also suggested that Art was dead, killed by Capital.Simple cottage - a thing of beauty made of natural stone probably with a roaring hearth fire and wooden beams across its roof built lovingly by hand by a man for his family . . . . . . changed my mind , i want to swap the windmill for a simple cottage now
Simple cottage - a thing of beauty made of natural stone probably with a roaring hearth fire and wooden beams across its roof built lovingly by hand by a man for his family . . . . . . changed my mind , i want to swap the windmill for a simple cottage now
I don't think he meant that someone who shovels **** can't be creative or gain inspiration from his surroundings, but rather that person's opinion on what inspires creatives is probably less reliable than someone who actually earns their living inspiring creatives. In the same way that I'd be far less qualified to discuss the merits of shovelling ****... because I know nothing about it... or managing a hedge fund, or how to run a successful management meeting... I have no interest in such things, and therefore know nothing. I am entitled to give my opinion on the subject, of course, but would my opinion be as valid as a hedge fund manager's? No.. of course not.
I don't think he meant that someone who shovels **** can't be creative or gain inspiration from his surroundings, but rather that person's opinion on what inspires creatives is probably less reliable than someone who actually earns their living inspiring creatives. .
I thought you were a lecturer in photography at a polytechnic
But no one , regardless of their background, is able to conclusively state what moves any person other than themselves to creativity
Painted Luv Spuds
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There's been no such thing as a polytechnic since 1992 Pete... do keep up dear chap.
My thoughts exactly.
Painted Luv Spuds
okay an ex ploytechnic then - point remains (and no offense intended) that "making a living inspiring creatives" is a very romantic description for lecturing on photography to a bunch of undergraduates , many of whom are probably actually thinking about the forthcoming college disco, that fit girl in the front row, or what is good for a hangover (other than drinking heavily )
Pete... seriously.. you've got no idea what you're talking about.
The vast majority of universities are ex-polytechnics Pete. Please at least have the courtesy of TRYING to know what you're talking about.
i remember well what it was like to be a student David. you may think they are all sat there inspired and hanging on your every word with rapt attention - but unless you are a very unusual lecturer I strongly doubt it
and by the way there are 91 universities in the uk - 32 of them are ex polytechnics - which doesnt qualify as a vast, or indeed any kind of, majority
as I said though i didn't intend this as a personal slight - you may be a wonderful lecturer, and your institution may be a shining light of academic brilliance in the study of photography - however I don't accept that being even the best lecturer in photography endows you with mystic insight into what makes every other person creative , or that this makes your opinion on the subject significantly more weighty than anyone elses.
Why else say "I thought you were a lecturer in photography at a polytechnic" when questioning whether I earn my living by inspiring creative people?
Talking of which.. where's yours Pete? Not seen much of that BTW.
As for being able to tell people what motivates them and spurs their creativity better then they are able to themselves, you'd be surprised. If I had £100 for every time I met someone who knew exactly what fires their creativity, only to have them realise they were wrong after three years... well.. perhaps I'd be living in a windmill.
Wow... it took you this long to read that Wikipedia page? LOL It's not accurate BTW... there are more than 32 ex polys. That article only lists those with Honours degree awarding powers and ignores those with FdA awarding powers, and does not include those who's degrees are awarded by another university, and are therefore regarded as an associate college of that university.
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because i'm questioning whether any lecturer at a polytechnic (or indeed any university) really makes their living by "inspiring creatives"
- its not a personal slight to you , i have no knowledge of what you are like as a lecturer - I do however remember various lecturers at crewe and alsager where i went (now part of man met) who thought they were the bees knees and incredibly inspirational to their students (in general i mean , I didnt study photography) but we all thought were boring old bastards
mostly in the same place yours is - ie not on this site. That said I am doing a 52 if you want to have a look, i'd even welcome your critique if you are intellectually honest enough to give it objectively rather than deriding the work due to our personal differences.
with respect david you are talking about students again - the average 18 year old has trouble telling their arse from their elbow , so its not suprising that they've changed their mind by the time they reach 21. However the majority of the membership here are somewhat older and more experienced and I'd bet money that you havent got the first idea what it is that motivates me (for example) to creativity (in the wider sense - bearing in mind that i'm a writer, woodturner and carver as well as a photographer)
that is it ignores those that arent actually universities - strange that
so his opinion should carry more weight on this subject than someone who shovels s*** for a living
I used to shovel it (actually, fork it!) for a living - well, at least some of the job involved forking it or pushing it around or spreading it over fields!
mostly in the same place yours is - ie not on this site.