Ahem no you cannot! Unfortunately it is not a business choice. It is not even a personal choice. Currently the law is one side and I can be done for discrimination. I do not have such choice and that is exactly what the problem is. It should be equality for all, if there was then such a thing than a ban wouldn't have been necessary.That's your choice and you can do that without any law being passed.
Equally, it's someone else's right not to be identifiable in public. I'm sure there won't be a ban on wigs, glasses and fake moustaches.
Steve.
religious thread is religious..
on topic, can we invoke a law about fat women wearing leggings?
Ps I'm not dyslectic, I blame the terrible spelling o ios8. I've raised a big report with apple #furstworldproblemsI'm very happy about this. Don't like this hiding ones face in public at all, it doesn't aid communication. Much more workable to just have a blanket ban opposed to not do it here, but can do it there.
If they want to hide their face they can do it in the privacy of their own home.
It is a shame that a ban was necessary however refusal to apply common sense, like in shots and other service industries, they've brought this on themselves
Just my 2p
Ps I'm not dyslectic, I blame the terrible spelling o ios8. I've raised a big report with apple #furstworldproblems
Or the ones that contour the cellulite...Especially the ones with spots on that get bigger and bigger the further up the leg !
I suspect it has a lot to do with France's determined secularism, a legacy of 1789, as well as its constitutionally enforced separation of state and religion.
As it should be in my opinion.
Nor does religion have any place in schools.
Or alternative, if when requested to reveal your face people just do so then there would not have been a need for any of this....
I really don't know which side of the fence I fall on this... Some Muslim women genuinely want to wear the veil - it's part of their identity. It's discriminatory from both perspectives.
Hmm not sure about that one...afterall and assuming best intentions, they can't be mind readers to ascertain whether you have an issue with it or not, whether you would prefer to see who you are dealing with or not....However if someone kindly requests, then it should be obliged without issue or argument...Or accept that you may not get served without the right to cry wolf about it...Less laws are always preferable to me.Alternatively there ought to be no need to make such a request…I don't agree often with the French, but they've got this right.
Hmm not sure about that one...afterall and assuming best intentions, they can't be mind readers to ascertain whether you have an issue with it or not, whether you would prefer to see who you are dealing with or not....However if someone kindly requests, then it should be obliged without issue or argument...Or accept that you may not get served without the right to cry wolf about it...Less laws are always preferable to me.
I think I'm more liberal. Why should be restrict a choice. I agree religion has nothing to do with it, however that wouldnt be an excuse not to reveal oneself either.Well, let's look at that this way. You can take away any uncertainty by just not covering your face in the first place. No need for mind reading or complaints etc, etc.
If one has spent any time living (as opposed to holidaying) in a Moslem country, one soon realises (and if you don't realise it then it will soon be made plain) what are the acceptable dress codes when in public. As has been stated by other posters, to cover one's face is a cultural thing, not a religious requirement. in this country we do not have a cultural tradition of covering our faces in public, preferring to see and "know" who we are speaking to and with whom we are dealing, at all times.
I told her that if I couldn't identify her I'd be arresting her
On what charge?
Steve.
If the person stopped has produced a driving license then you'd need to see their face to check it is theirs, or is that just too much common sense?Don't be daft. You can't identify anyone just by being able to see their face (that's assuming they are a stranger to you). People don't have their identities tattooed on their foreheads.
If the person stopped has produced a driving license then you'd need to see their face to check it is theirs, or is that just too much common sense?
If the person stopped has produced a driving license then you'd need to see their face to check it is theirs, or is that just too much common sense?
Obstructing a Police Officer from carrying out his/her duties
The police can stop anyone in a public place and ask you to account for yourself. For example, you could be asked to account for your actions, behaviour, presence in an area or possession of anything. When the police stop you and ask you for an explanation, you don't need to provide your personal details
Correct but if the officer is not satisfied with the answers or you refuse to answer they can detain you for the purpose of conducting further enquires.But I thought you were not obliged to identify yourself unless you were arrested.
From: http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/england/law_e/law_legal_system_e/law_police_e/police_powers.htm
Steve.
I assumed nothing, i merely gave an example.Why? My driving licence hasn't got my photograph on it. You assume too much.
I assumed nothing, i merely gave an example.
My backside didn't do any talkingNo you didn't. You got caught talking out of your backside and then it took you 25 minutes to figure out a response in an effort to save face
No you didn't. You got caught talking out of your backside and then it took you 25 minutes to figure out a response in an effort to save face
No you didn't. You got caught talking out of your backside and then it took you 25 minutes to figure out a response in an effort to save face
hmmmm you have two sides of the coin here the moslem women in northern european christian countries want to cover there full body ,yet the women from those countries who go on holiday to moslem countries can often be seen in just a thong around the hotel pools .and although its allegedly frowned upon its not stopped under the guise of tourism .
i guess its best to stick to the old when in rome adage .the whole worlds going crazy at the moment though so who can predict what another 5 years will bring
Correct but if the officer is not satisfied with the answers or you refuse to answer they can detain you for the purpose of conducting further enquires.Doesn't have to mean arrest but it may me a visit to a police station.