Is This a Good IMac

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As I have treated myself to an IPhone 11 plus an Apple watch 6, I`m thinking of getting an IMac. It will be my first IMac and as our lounge is not big I was thinking of this 21.5 inch one, any help will be great. Thank you.

PS: Editing stuff will be Capture One Pro and Affinity Photo.

 
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I have a iMAC, love it.

I have Affinity Photo also, love it.

Go for it (y)
 
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By the way, add as much RAM as you can. Not Apple modules, third party are much cheaper.
 
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I bought into Apple's "it just works" tag line some years ago (having had may years of PC/Windows experience prior to that) and lived to regret it in due course (well documented fault with it's graphics card). iMacs are truly lovely machines with gorgeous displays, but when a fault develops, the whole machine is out of action. They are not built for user maintenance the way PCs are, you can't upgrade parts after the initial build (can you still upgrade with aftermarket RAM? That feature was removed on MacBook Pros and Mac Minis a few years ago IIRC) and Apple deem anything beyond it's 6th birthday to be "legacy", so won't even offer a repair.

If you are happy to replace the machine after 4 or so years (by which time it will be groaning under ever heavier OSX updates) then it will be great fun, and lovely to look at (even when switched off!) Much as I still love the notion of another iMac, it'll be back to Windows the next time round.

Just my tuppence worth!

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PS I'd choose one with as much Graphics card RAM as possible, in addition to overall system RAM.
 
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The processor is 8th Generation. I think they are on 9th / 10th Generation these days so that is a surprise to me.

The storage is small at 240gb.

RAM is 8GB which is small going forward into 2021 and beyond in my opinion.

The screen will be excellent although a little on the small side.

The graphics card is a laptop type and was released mid 2018 so again kinda outdated.

Just being honest, sorry.
 
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By the way, add as much RAM as you can. Not Apple modules, third party are much cheaper.
That’s pretty hard to do with the 21.5 inch iMacs as the screen is glued in with an adhesive strip all the way around. You have to remove the screen to get to the RAM modules. I gather it can be done but it’s not an easy job as compared to the 27 inch iMacs. Apple make things as hard as possible for the user to upgrade. I gather most stuff is soldered in now too.

@Fuji Dave have a look at the videos before you place an order. They are good for seeing what’s user replaceable and what isn’t. It’s mostly a case of ordered upfront with apple as many parts can’t be upgraded by your average user later on.

This website has quite a bit of info on user upgrades.

 
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Hi there

I bought into Apple's "it just works" tag line some years ago (having had may years of PC/Windows experience prior to that) and lived to regret it in due course (well documented fault with it's graphics card). iMacs are truly lovely machines with gorgeous displays, but when a fault develops, the whole machine is out of action. They are not built for user maintenance the way PCs are, you can't upgrade parts after the initial build (can you still upgrade with aftermarket RAM? That feature was removed on MacBook Pros and Mac Minis a few years ago IIRC) and Apple deem anything beyond it's 6th birthday to be "legacy", so won't even offer a repair.

If you are happy to replace the machine after 4 or so years (by which time it will be groaning under ever heavier OSX updates) then it will be great fun, and lovely to look at (even when switched off!) Much as I still love the notion of another iMac, it'll be back to Windows the next time round.

Just my tuppence worth!

Cheers

George
My Mac mini is 8 years old and isn’t groaning - fingers crossed it’s got a few years life left in it yet
 
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Hi there

I bought into Apple's "it just works" tag line some years ago (having had may years of PC/Windows experience prior to that) and lived to regret it in due course (well documented fault with it's graphics card). iMacs are truly lovely machines with gorgeous displays, but when a fault develops, the whole machine is out of action. They are not built for user maintenance the way PCs are, you can't upgrade parts after the initial build (can you still upgrade with aftermarket RAM? That feature was removed on MacBook Pros and Mac Minis a few years ago IIRC) and Apple deem anything beyond it's 6th birthday to be "legacy", so won't even offer a repair.

If you are happy to replace the machine after 4 or so years (by which time it will be groaning under ever heavier OSX updates) then it will be great fun, and lovely to look at (even when switched off!) Much as I still love the notion of another iMac, it'll be back to Windows the next time round.

Just my tuppence worth!

Cheers

George
PS I'd choose one with as much Graphics card RAM as possible, in addition to overall system RAM.
The processor is 8th Generation. I think they are on 9th / 10th Generation these days so that is a surprise to me.

The storage is small at 240gb.

RAM is 8GB which is small going forward into 2021 and beyond in my opinion.

The screen will be excellent although a little on the small side.

The graphics card is a laptop type and was released mid 2018 so again kinda outdated.

Just being honest, sorry.
My Mac mini is 8 years old and isn’t groaning - fingers crossed it’s got a few years life left in it yet

Thanks folks, have a lot to think on, but have wanted an IMac for a long time so will Google a lot.
 
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That’s pretty hard to do with the 21.5 inch iMacs as the screen is glued in with an adhesive strip all the way around. You have to remove the screen to get to the RAM modules. I gather it can be done but it’s not an easy job as compared to the 27 inch iMacs. Apple make things as hard as possible for the user to upgrade. I gather most stuff is soldered in now too.

@Fuji Dave have a look at the videos before you place an order. They are good for seeing what’s user replaceable and what isn’t. It’s mostly a case of ordered upfront with apple as many parts can’t be upgraded by your average user later on.

This website has quite a bit of info on user upgrades.


Thanks for that Rob, will have a look.
 
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Can I suggest you watch the vid below before splashing out £1500

LINKY

Thank you very much for that, just watched it now and it is one hell of an eye opener.
 

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Macs are moving to own ARM architecture and these will soon become obsolete and in best case run on Windows. For the money you could do so much better elsewhere if running windows is the intention otherwise wait, wait, wait.
 
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The principal for buying a Mac is to spec the machine you'll need in 3 Years time, because there's no upgrade path for most parts and overhead increases with new or updated software.

I'm curious about the idea of a 2005 MBA being a speedy thing - my late 2008 MacBook was ok when first purchased, but quite sluggish at 5 years old when replaced, even with SSD and 8GB RAM. I still have it, but it sweats over a bit of web browsing or playing a DVD. OK for writing a letter/email but not for lightroom 5.

If Macs were upgradable then they would be ok, but the lack of upgrades has prevented me buying another.
 
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The principal for buying a Mac is to spec the machine you'll need in 3 Years time, because there's no upgrade path for most parts and overhead increases with new or updated software.

I'm curious about the idea of a 2005 MBA being a speedy thing - my late 2008 MacBook was ok when first purchased, but quite sluggish at 5 years old when replaced, even with SSD and 8GB RAM. I still have it, but it sweats over a bit of web browsing or playing a DVD. OK for writing a letter/email but not for lightroom 5.

If Macs were upgradable then they would be ok, but the lack of upgrades has prevented me buying another.
This is my thinking as well. I built my PC in Sep 2012 with a Pentium i7 3770k and over eight years later the only things which has failed is the fan on the CPU heat sink which took me about 5 mins to pop the OEM one back on until I replace the 3rd party failed one and the PSU started to play up, but that may have been to do with the upgraded graphics card needing more power.

Meanwhile, I have upgraded the GPU, increased RAM to 24GB, upgraded the primary SSD drive and added extra storage over SATA 6. Each upgrade only took a quick slide of the side window and a minute or so, except for the primary SSD because it needed the OS to be installed again. All in all the upgrades didn't really cost very much. I run Lightroom 6, Photoshop v21, ARMA 3 on max settings etc without any issues and all this on a huge 34" Ultra Wide monitor. She boots up in about 5-10 seconds and is nice and quiet. I've no intention to replace the computer any time soon, she just seems to handle anything thrown at her.

Will probably go pop now that I've said this! lol
 
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If I do get one, it will be a 27in screen as had a few hours looking on Google.
 
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FWIW my XPS15 came with a 500GB/32GB HDD/SSD combination, now uses 1TB SSD and 2TB HDD for image storage after 6 years.
 
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As I`ve never had an IMac, just ordered the 27inch with most of the specs.
 
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Macs are moving to own ARM architecture and these will soon become obsolete and in best case run on Windows. For the money you could do so much better elsewhere if running windows is the intention otherwise wait, wait, wait.
They won't be obsolete.
Unless you mean the narrow definition of obsolete as "no longer produced", and if you do then that word can be used for every single computer in the word that isn't now being manufactured.

And, as for "for the money you can do so much better elsewhere", classic.
 
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Put us all out of our misery and let us know what you are getting :D

Went for the 27in at over 2 grand and got 2 TB of space and 32 GB.
 
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That will last you years Dave, mine is 5 years old with 32GB and it handles everything I throw at it, still performs like new.

Make sure you calibrate the screen or at least turn the brightness right down for accurate editing, mine is on number 4 brightness after calibrating.
 
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That will last you years Dave, mine is 5 years old with 32GB and it handles everything I throw at it, still performs like new.

Make sure you calibrate the screen or at least turn the brightness right down for accurate editing, mine is on number 4 brightness after calibrating.

Thanks for the tip on the brightness Pete, will do that when it does arrive. As I payed for most of the add on`s I have a three week wait.
 
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As my Imac was delivered last night, today I will be setting it all up.
 
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OMG!! I have some learning to do with this iMac, totally love it and the screen is like WOW.
 
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Hi there

I bought into Apple's "it just works" tag line some years ago (having had may years of PC/Windows experience prior to that) and lived to regret it in due course (well documented fault with it's graphics card). iMacs are truly lovely machines with gorgeous displays, but when a fault develops, the whole machine is out of action. They are not built for user maintenance the way PCs are, you can't upgrade parts after the initial build (can you still upgrade with aftermarket RAM? That feature was removed on MacBook Pros and Mac Minis a few years ago IIRC) and Apple deem anything beyond it's 6th birthday to be "legacy", so won't even offer a repair.

If you are happy to replace the machine after 4 or so years (by which time it will be groaning under ever heavier OSX updates) then it will be great fun, and lovely to look at (even when switched off!) Much as I still love the notion of another iMac, it'll be back to Windows the next time round.

Just my tuppence worth!

Cheers

George
My late 2009 iMac is working fine and not groaning under any strain, as for the (well documented fault with it's graphics card) I'm presuming you're talking about the vertical lines on the screen issue. Well this happened to me this years (so an 11 year old machine) had to but some tools and thermal paste totalling around £40 and just followed a youtube bake your card tutorial and all working fine again.



Now I will join others and say get as much Ram as you can, but not from apple, also if you can hold off the new iMac using apple instead of intel CPU can't be that far off release.
 
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God I have a lot of learning to do with this, I really do love the mini keyboard so far but have to try and change the scroll on the Magic Mouse.
 
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Well that's the Magic Mouse sorted out now, plus had to re get Affinity Photo and Luminar 4 bundle. Just Capture one Pro to get now.
 
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Looks like you are having a ball Dave, welcome to the world of Macs. PS, did it ship with Catalina ???? 32 bit apps do not work with that OS, that is why I'm still on Mojave.
 
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Looks like you are having a ball Dave, welcome to the world of Macs. PS, did it ship with Catalina ???? 32 bit apps do not work with that OS, that is why I'm still on Mojave.

I have not a clue, as still trying to find things I payed for like the Ram and Storage.
 
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Found it all, yes on having Catalina 10.15.7 and the Ram and storage too.
 
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They won't be obsolete.
Unless you mean the narrow definition of obsolete as "no longer produced", and if you do then that word can be used for every single computer in the word that isn't now being manufactured.

And, as for "for the money you can do so much better elsewhere", classic.
Agreed they will not be Obsolete but software manufactures will stop developing software for the intel based architecture and concentrate on porting their products to the new "M1" ARM architecture that lends it's self so well to photo manipulation. The new MacBook Pro has 8CPU cores, 8GPU cores and 16 core neutral engine, ideal for AI. Adobe, Serif Affinity, Luminar are all on board and working on new optimised versions (Lightroom is already out)
 
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