Couldn’t you just use any digital camera and not look at your photos as you take them?
I’m afraid I can’t help it, I end up looking.
Couldn’t you just use any digital camera and not look at your photos as you take them?
Couldn’t you just use any digital camera and not look at your photos as you take them?
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And you could even take your camera card to Boots for prints
I am 71yo and so my first camera was a plastic Box Brownie and I have also spent many hours in the red light district with stinky fluids aka a darkroom. I now shoot Canon EOS system and only RAW files. The RAW format offers the closest you can get to old school film processing.
For a long time digital images were simply not good enough to be comparable to film but this has stopped being the case for quite a lot of years. Yes, we can each have our personal preference but a preference is all it is (in my opinion).
I am neither for one or against the other - They are both an equally creative medium. A good friend of mine (in his 30s) shoots with both film and digital cameras and often the same subject. I applaud the fact that he keeps an open mind and advise everyone else to also keep an open mind. Unfortunately I notice far too many on the TP forum discussions having somewhat closed and blinkered minds.
Leica have always enjoys an excellent reputation and regardless of their cost, should be considered and respected for their offered products.
KEEP AN OPEN MIND FOLKS!
Couldn’t you just use any digital camera and not look at your photos as you take them?
We are all addicted to chimping. and do not have sufficient will power.
However you do not know full what you have got till you see them after processing on a decent monitor
I also shoot film and digital alongside each other and am currently building 150 Chroma's and shipping them worldwide (one is heading to Chile later today) so I have an open mind when it comes to each of us having different tastes/wishes.
My point with regards to the screen is that it's the photographer who chooses to chimp with digital so if that somehow gets in the way of the mood of photography, don't do it. We're all guilty of getting more and more lazy due to digital aids but I still struggle to accept the belief that paying more for Leica to remove features somehow makes someone a better, or more engaged, photographer. Whilst it's a lovely looking camera, it doesn't do anything different to other Leica M digital bodies and is another 'special edition' that they have got into the run of creating. I'm sure they will sell as many as they make and many will sadly adorn the shelves of rich collectors.
We are all addicted to chimping. and do not have sufficient will power.
However you do not know full what you have got till you see them after processing on a decent monitor
Very true. As above, we're all 'lazy' with regards to using digital aids but a roll of duct tape to cover the screen doesn't cost £6.5k
Furthermore you have the opportunity to cull when chimping.
Big NO from me its a massive overpriced rich boys toy probably purchased by black polo neck wearers with very expensive wire frame glasses and who listen to Kraftwerk on loop.
I tend to hold back on culling as some pictures that I initially think are heading for the bin grow on me over time and sometimes end up being favorites. What I do now is stick pictures I've just taken into a folder and leave them there for a week or so until I've had time to loom at them and make sure that pictures I think should be deleted really should be.
Big NO from me its a massive overpriced rich boys toy probably purchased by black polo neck wearers with very expensive wire frame glasses and who listen to Kraftwerk on loop.
So it is simply having no screen thenFor me, it’s a couple of things. First, it’s the separation of the feelings from making the photograph and the feelings from reveiwing the photograph. I prefer them as separate experiences. Second, it’s trying to remain in the zone of making photographs. As soon as I move into reviewing photographs, I become a critic (which negatively affects making photos) and I’m potentially missing opportunities for further photos.
That’s part of the film experience for me. And I think the M10-D would be the same.
So it is simply having no screen then
That's me then! Wish I could afford one, but then I suppose I could sell my Kraftwerk and Yello vinyl collection!Big NO from me its a massive overpriced rich boys toy probably purchased by black polo neck wearers with very expensive wire frame glasses and who listen to Kraftwerk on loop.
Plenty of film experience with my rz67 that I use every other day . Wouldn't dream of buying a digital camera with a solid back and fake film lever for a film experience though .
Big NO from me its a massive overpriced rich boys toy probably purchased by black polo neck wearers with very expensive wire frame glasses and who listen to Kraftwerk on loop.
.... It sounds like you are more influenced in your purchasing decisions by the stereotype you apply to a product's users rather than being influenced by the merits of the product itself. This smacks of inverted snobbery
Oh well, each to their own.
I read it as a bit of fun, no real nastiness or snobbery.
I agree . I'm really trying to understand it but I'm struggling . From all replies it boils down to one and one thing only and that is, it's got no screen lol I just can't get my head round how that gives you a film experience especially when there is a fairly large wifi button on the back to connect it to you phone for God sake lolIndeed. If I want a 'film experience' I shoot a film camera.
On that subject I find some peoples definition (especially Leica owners) of what a film experience is incredibly limiting. For these people it's stuff shot on manual exposure, manual focus camera only. Lot's of talk about 'meditative process' or 'slowing you down'.
I personally shoot with a F4 with matrix metering, program mode and auto focus. A 'film experience' is an incredibly broad church, and taking a screen off a camera whilst adding a fake advance lever for £700 extra isn't it.
The actual film experience is in the film itself.
We are all addicted to chimping. and do not have sufficient will power.
However you do not know full what you have got till you see them after processing on a decent monitor
Very true. As above, we're all 'lazy' with regards to using digital aids but a roll of duct tape to cover the screen doesn't cost £6.5k
I used to have a Canon 20d and based on what people are saying it was a "film like experience" as the screen was that bad you didn't have a baldy clue what you got until you got it on the PC but on the flip side when I use my rz67 with polorid back I'm technically chimping so am I taking away the "film like experience"?
No, all cameras film or digital do a similar thing, the equipment is defined by the medium it uses, not by whether it has a screen or a windey handle.
I couldn't care less what this Leica thing does, its a digital camera, it shoots nothing but digital files and therefore this discussion does not belong in F&C.
If the op requires input from the film section on a digital thread, he should post the thing where it should be and link it from here.
............and where does it say it is a film only section! It is called Talk film & Conventional - if you don't like the thread then don't read it - it is quite simple.
............and where does it say it is a film only section!
It is called Talk film & conventional - if you don't like the thread then don't read it - it is quite simple.
umm.....its the title, it doesn't say F&C&anyold5h1t3youfancy
I think your combative keyboard talents would be more useful elsewhere.
Rude and pointless. If you haven't anything helpful to say then say nothing.
This thread has lost me as is it about explaining to digi guys about "the film experience" otherwise it's preaching to the converted...as here we all know why we use film.
Anything later than an F3 (F4-F6) would hold absolutely no interest for me
..........but, as I explained in my post earlier I didn't realise why I used film; after analysing it I use film because the only cameras I enjoy using were made when film was the only recording medium.
Anything later than an F3 (F4-F6) would hold absolutely no interest for me - to much like using a digital camera with far to many functions/options. I'm not artistic enough to say I love film because of the way it renders etc, I love film because the cameras that shot with it can be very simplistic yet give real pleasure in use.