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This is my last proper post - then I am gone but I go offering perhaps an unique opportunity to provide help in a Q+A.
I have some time on my hands so its a long one...
Sorry guys and girls but this part of the forum is about sports photography. If people want to progress and rub shoulders with real sports photographers in the real world they have to learn to know what to expect.
Firstly it is a very strange profession. The muppets who get passes through minor agencies who do not pay but prey on the enthusiasm of others resulting in some attending professional football matches, I think feel that it is like the Paparazzi TV programme where it is dog eat dog. Nothing further from the truth. We live and eat and breath with one another. Spend more time with each other than our loved ones though at the end of the day are still deadly rivals. However we learn to work alongside each other and there is a very important protocol.
Most of the photographers - we laugh our socks off at those who say TOGS... where did that come from?! - are really nice human beings but we are programmed to work and work with professionalism and instinct.
If we were talking about photographing pretty churches at night using tripods then with all sincerity there would be no need to be be rude, blaspheme, be ultra critical and literally slaughter people.
Forum posters would quite rightly be banned.
However when some try and compete with the pro's in sport photography they MUST expect to receive immense amounts of criticism, stick, banter and totally understand that it's a process of learning to be mentally strong.
Either that or the pro's push the boat out and have NOTHING to do with the poor wannabe's sitting on the shoreline. You simply can not have it both ways should you seek professional help.
The truth hurts, but in a post that I consider I gave an honest but blunt remark about, I was sadly banned.
There was a complete lack of understanding, compassion and which has resulted in me leaving for good.
But I contacted the forum owners who I have reached an agreement with ... I will depart soon but so need a right of reply :
...So if someone posts a blog - and can not even realise what they have written is wrong - I am going to jump on them like they would not believe because what they have written is spectacularly idiotic, this making them an idiot.
To me that is not an insult it is using a verb to describe something that has been done with no thought or understanding or realisation.
If then people report me for being insulting then so be it... but in the real world people go to prison or at least fined tens of thousands of pounds for libel and printing untruths.
The amount of stories I know news photographers work on only for it to be pulled is incredible. The lawyers will not let anything be printed unless they are totally satisfied.
Professional writers spend a lot of time learning law and thus know what they are doing. If you write a blog you have to comply with the laws of publishing in print as it is the same.
The guy who wrote that blog is therefore an idiot because what he did was idiotic (an adjective) - so report me and ban me again.
I'm only giving sound true advice and I simply do not care if people do not like my opinion.
I am simply trying to protect him, but oh no, I called him an idiot from the adjective - not words like dumbass, kucklehead, jerk, ****** etc which are insults.
What followed was crazy.
I thought for one moment that I was in a scene out of the Life of Brian for suggesting that I had uttered the immortal words, "Jehovah".
"I dont care who he is, he is not the messiah!"
I am not harsh, nasty but just being very real.
Some people in life dont like home truths which in my book is very sad.
Perhaps yes I am sarcastic and probably come across rude and blunt, but I challenge anyone on here to survive one week in a stressful editorial newspaper or magazine office with a dictator as an editor and a picture editor that you simply want dead criticising you on your every move and picture that you produce - what's more as time moves on, you slowly realise that these so called horrible people are ALWAYS right and after years it is only natural to progress and turn yourself into them.
It's how the business is and how people are.
Thus this forum is for amateurs and the professionals will just stand back and laugh.
HOWEVER....
The people I want to cuddle and mother are the ones who listen and seek advice.
I am not an angry person but some know it alls on here need a punch in the face to bring them back to earth.
I remain anonymous on here because I can not be bothered with 20+ people sending in pointless and terrible work every month to my office. I am not in the business of preaching, I certainly do not want to be remembered when I have left this planet for being a boastful sod, but when I reply telling people what is wrong with their work, the replies that I receive are laughable.
No one learns by being told that they are brilliant when they are obviously not. And before anyone suggests I am the big I am, people in my agency always un-trash lots of my work as I do not believe it is good enough.
Standards need to be high, otherwise what is the point.
If you are young, the only way to start is work in local newspapers day in day out or work for nothing in a picture agency learning the language of photography. I wish one certain individual who quite frankly had an amazing potential career had of listened.
I lost my ego when my friend was shot dead when we were 20 playing war photographers in Croatia during the civial war. I went there all big headed knowing I could file through Reuters. However came back with a mate in a box.
I have nothing to prove, I only came on here to see if there was any good talent worth taking as new blood is always needed.
This is my point of view, take it or leave it - when I see people splashing out on 400mm lenses I shake my head in disbelief.
It is very rare to find someone who actually knows how to use it who is not a professional.
People look at Getty pictures online or newspaper images and have no idea on the process the photographer went through to get that image or set of pictures.
Everyone nowadays seems to copy pictures with no understanding on what they are doing. Thats when you get ripped apart in the real world during the process of learning as it is the only way. Only reading law do you become a lawyer. With photography it is a language and it takes years to understand and master. And then you need to learn how to use the language like an interpreter.
You only learn by making mistakes and having a mentor pushing you and then punishing you for it. The highs and lows are immense. Only the best survive.
There are hardly any creative people who stand out anymore.
Everyone seems to be bland.
All this nonsense of buying 70-200mm lenses for football makes me chuckle.
Get a 50mm 1.4 and be CREATIVE under terrible floodlights - stop trying to reproduce what you see taken at Old Trafford. That is what photography is all about : USE YOUR EYES. Capture shapes, record what you see.
Picture editors see thousands of bland pictures every week. You have to stand out to have a chance.
THINGS I DO NOT LIKE ABOUT THIS FORUM :
1 - the immoral judging
What professionals HATE with a passion is a jumped up know it all who sadly judges others on their equipment. Today I shot the India football team playing v South Korea. I was the only European photographer therebut there were a couple of Indians with 85mm lenses, but holding their cameras properly and showing the ability that suggested that they had an eyes for a picture, when I saw their work it made me feel ashamed at what I had produced today.
I have challenged some on here for such suggestions, some of the smarty pants replied that they were only joking - yer whatever.
What matters are pictures, pictures and pictures.
He has sadly passed away now but there was a photographer called Peter Jay. He worked for the Daily Star producing the editorial work that they required of him. He eventually left to go to the Independent when they paper was black and white and meant something. His work was stunning. He surprised most including myself as we did not think we had it in him.
2 - no one is creative
I actually DREAM of being at a non-league ground where I can express myself with a wide angle lens.
Look at the stunning work of HANS VAN DER MEER _ get his book.
LOOK AND BLOODY LEARN. Someone sending in images like this or their own creative take stands a bigger chance than someone sending in shockingly cropped images, horizons all over the place and images that are basically terrible - but they think they are good because they are in focus!
3 - people who think it is easy
The consistant standards required will AMAZE most of you.
What I can not understand is why people spend so much of their hard earnt money on lenses and simply do not have a clue how to use them.
If I purchased a helicopter I would have to invest hugely in lessons and have a mentor.
When I suggest running a course for £4,000 a year I got insults! Woo Hoo, I have caused a reaction, I like challenging people and getting a reaction but please tell me HOW someone will learn to be a rally driver without advanced and proper instruction?
4 - wishy washy sandal wearing liberals who go running to teacher because of an insult. Mental strength is everything.
Teaching someone to become a football photographer is about 60% mental attitude and understanding yourself in order to cope.
Try getting a superb image at a FA Cup final like I did of Freddie Ljungburg of Arsenal scoring only for Michael Owen to score the winner at the other end resulting in your image never seeing the light of day and going home thinking that your day has been wasted regardless of your top quality work. The mental strength needed is immense as I say. Most of the time you end up going home depressed and peed off. The job is not nice. It is not fun. Try going to Milan every weekend for 14 months. You HATE airports, security staff, taxi drivers only to work in a superb theatre which after 2-3 visits is just another workplace. And thats before you have even put a roll of film in your camera.
I dispair when I see people checking the back of their cameras and looking at LCD screens.
SHOOT MANUALLY and learn everything about your camera from white balance to metering so that you dont have to keep bloody checking.
HAVE FAITH IN YOUR EYE - anything else will result in certain failure.
5 - Those who do not listen and think that they know it all
The most frustrating thing for me is that people simply do not listen and think they know it all.
I was once sent to photograph an outside of a hospital three times before it was good enough.
I have been teaching photographers for 10 years now. Only two have made it. Most gave up. Those two now work on Fleet Street and I am proud of them.
I could write a 40,000 page book about football photography but as I have stated, the only way to learn is to make mistakes and be slaughtered for it.
6- those who give away their work for free
They lack love and passion in their life and need comforting from seeing their work published which will get commented on by back slappers from Flickr viewers who know absolutely nothing about right or wrong.
Get them on my counselling couch.
Speak to Kippax PLEASE. He understands.
Newspapers and publishers are businesses.
People buy newspapers and advertisers pay big money to advertise in them. Therefore why give pictures away for free? Credits and bylines do not pay the bills at Tesco or cloth the kids. So what if you earn £60k selling Mercedes cars, does that mean I can drive away with the latest S320 with out paying?
Professionals are business people. I so need a new sales person but no one wants to sell pictures anymore - only be the big I am and think it is cool to walk around Old Trafford with a 600mm when realistically those at Old Trafford dont want to be there!
I know for sure THREE newspaper editors who invoiced their employee for images from photographers submitting their work for free. Perhaps it has changed now as some genuinely do not have budgets, but quite simply go to the bloody kit sponsor and get money from them instead and THEN give the pictures away, but for Gods sake EARN something for your endeavours.
(no doubt the religious will ban me for taking the Lords name in vain, but I speak with passion.)
7 - showing no respect
Photography is a HARD HARD business.
Shooting on a manual focus lens getting 33 frames sharp out of 36 on a roll of film was an immense skill.
Providing images editors WANT and not what a photographer thinks is right is a challenge too. Everyone in the industry respects each other.
All I hear from outsiders is slagging off PA, Getty etc.
Those people are weak who have issues with themselves and do not feel comfortable about the fact that they are not good enough or succeeding.
No one likes a big head. Just be yourself and quietly go about your business, otherwise you wont make it and will be despised.
On a sour note, some have turned up at major sporting events and have caused so much havoc, it has resulting in people being paid to be there not being able to work properly. Sadly I fear regulations will change in the future. If you stop a national newspaper photographer from working, people get to know about it.
...we all have long memories.
8 - get back to basics
Composition
Rule of Thirds
Horizons
Myself and another photographer looked through some websites that you have. About 75% of the pictures could have been improved with simple things like getting horizons straight and uprights upright.
Lazy cropping is a sin and shows no basic understanding of pictures - and indeed why crop? Shoot full frame and crop in camera.
-------
my departing words
My hobby is understanding people, if I was not a photographer I would be a psychiatrist.
I understand most of you.
I can pigeon hole most of you.
Some I want to smack in the face.
Some I want to cuddle and nurture.
There are other professionals on here who actually want to give something back and get pleasure out of teaching but sadly there are too many wishy washy sandal wearing liberals who do not like being told home truths and basically can not hack criticism.
Thus we must depart and leave you alone as apparently some people can not stand insults, the truth, being knocked back.
Apparently to some, the world is full of fluffy pink bunny rabbits where everything is nice and lovely.
Like I said, to the religious and those who shoot stain glassed windows, they command respect.. but NOT IN SPORTS PHOTOGRAPHY! Not when people WANT and ASK for help but then don't like the advice that they receive.
Some have my email address so they can continue getting advice.
Im not being cocky but I came on here , apart for one other private reason which some know about - I wondered if there was any new talent knocking about.
I only sadly rate 2-3 of you.
But take that as a challenge.
But that is down to two reasons - I see no one putting their money down in wanting to be educated and the other being simply not creative enough. But it is the same in rock music. Only the creative survive, the ones who churn out new songs, or revamp old ones making them better or making them appeal to a new audience. The same with authors, only those with the best novels get published.
...so as agreed by the forum manager....
For a one off...
post any questions about football photography and I will gladly answer as best as I can.
You have 48 hours.
...then I'm off.
I would appreciate no remarks about what I have written, only please reply in putting a question or two down should you want advice, help or ask me something.
I totally respect those who simply want to enjoy photography as a hobby but those who 'pretend' to be sport photographers and then go moaning because of not liking home truths from professionals - sorry you have ruined it for everyone and I am too busy to be caught up in an exchange of words.
Either I should not be here, or others need to not remark and go elsewhere. I am off. Happy snapping and the next person to use the term TOG gets a black eye. Seriously, seriously, seriously - I have done this for a living for 20+ years now. I have NEVER hard the term TOG apart from on crappy forums. Sorry but it gets under my skin and for my own mental health I need to get it out. Thank you.
Keep the forum master sweet, he seems to be a nice happy and understanding person x
I have some time on my hands so its a long one...
Sorry guys and girls but this part of the forum is about sports photography. If people want to progress and rub shoulders with real sports photographers in the real world they have to learn to know what to expect.
Firstly it is a very strange profession. The muppets who get passes through minor agencies who do not pay but prey on the enthusiasm of others resulting in some attending professional football matches, I think feel that it is like the Paparazzi TV programme where it is dog eat dog. Nothing further from the truth. We live and eat and breath with one another. Spend more time with each other than our loved ones though at the end of the day are still deadly rivals. However we learn to work alongside each other and there is a very important protocol.
Most of the photographers - we laugh our socks off at those who say TOGS... where did that come from?! - are really nice human beings but we are programmed to work and work with professionalism and instinct.
If we were talking about photographing pretty churches at night using tripods then with all sincerity there would be no need to be be rude, blaspheme, be ultra critical and literally slaughter people.
Forum posters would quite rightly be banned.
However when some try and compete with the pro's in sport photography they MUST expect to receive immense amounts of criticism, stick, banter and totally understand that it's a process of learning to be mentally strong.
Either that or the pro's push the boat out and have NOTHING to do with the poor wannabe's sitting on the shoreline. You simply can not have it both ways should you seek professional help.
The truth hurts, but in a post that I consider I gave an honest but blunt remark about, I was sadly banned.
There was a complete lack of understanding, compassion and which has resulted in me leaving for good.
But I contacted the forum owners who I have reached an agreement with ... I will depart soon but so need a right of reply :
...So if someone posts a blog - and can not even realise what they have written is wrong - I am going to jump on them like they would not believe because what they have written is spectacularly idiotic, this making them an idiot.
To me that is not an insult it is using a verb to describe something that has been done with no thought or understanding or realisation.
If then people report me for being insulting then so be it... but in the real world people go to prison or at least fined tens of thousands of pounds for libel and printing untruths.
The amount of stories I know news photographers work on only for it to be pulled is incredible. The lawyers will not let anything be printed unless they are totally satisfied.
Professional writers spend a lot of time learning law and thus know what they are doing. If you write a blog you have to comply with the laws of publishing in print as it is the same.
The guy who wrote that blog is therefore an idiot because what he did was idiotic (an adjective) - so report me and ban me again.
I'm only giving sound true advice and I simply do not care if people do not like my opinion.
I am simply trying to protect him, but oh no, I called him an idiot from the adjective - not words like dumbass, kucklehead, jerk, ****** etc which are insults.
What followed was crazy.
I thought for one moment that I was in a scene out of the Life of Brian for suggesting that I had uttered the immortal words, "Jehovah".
"I dont care who he is, he is not the messiah!"
I am not harsh, nasty but just being very real.
Some people in life dont like home truths which in my book is very sad.
Perhaps yes I am sarcastic and probably come across rude and blunt, but I challenge anyone on here to survive one week in a stressful editorial newspaper or magazine office with a dictator as an editor and a picture editor that you simply want dead criticising you on your every move and picture that you produce - what's more as time moves on, you slowly realise that these so called horrible people are ALWAYS right and after years it is only natural to progress and turn yourself into them.
It's how the business is and how people are.
Thus this forum is for amateurs and the professionals will just stand back and laugh.
HOWEVER....
The people I want to cuddle and mother are the ones who listen and seek advice.
I am not an angry person but some know it alls on here need a punch in the face to bring them back to earth.
I remain anonymous on here because I can not be bothered with 20+ people sending in pointless and terrible work every month to my office. I am not in the business of preaching, I certainly do not want to be remembered when I have left this planet for being a boastful sod, but when I reply telling people what is wrong with their work, the replies that I receive are laughable.
No one learns by being told that they are brilliant when they are obviously not. And before anyone suggests I am the big I am, people in my agency always un-trash lots of my work as I do not believe it is good enough.
Standards need to be high, otherwise what is the point.
If you are young, the only way to start is work in local newspapers day in day out or work for nothing in a picture agency learning the language of photography. I wish one certain individual who quite frankly had an amazing potential career had of listened.
I lost my ego when my friend was shot dead when we were 20 playing war photographers in Croatia during the civial war. I went there all big headed knowing I could file through Reuters. However came back with a mate in a box.
I have nothing to prove, I only came on here to see if there was any good talent worth taking as new blood is always needed.
This is my point of view, take it or leave it - when I see people splashing out on 400mm lenses I shake my head in disbelief.
It is very rare to find someone who actually knows how to use it who is not a professional.
People look at Getty pictures online or newspaper images and have no idea on the process the photographer went through to get that image or set of pictures.
Everyone nowadays seems to copy pictures with no understanding on what they are doing. Thats when you get ripped apart in the real world during the process of learning as it is the only way. Only reading law do you become a lawyer. With photography it is a language and it takes years to understand and master. And then you need to learn how to use the language like an interpreter.
You only learn by making mistakes and having a mentor pushing you and then punishing you for it. The highs and lows are immense. Only the best survive.
There are hardly any creative people who stand out anymore.
Everyone seems to be bland.
All this nonsense of buying 70-200mm lenses for football makes me chuckle.
Get a 50mm 1.4 and be CREATIVE under terrible floodlights - stop trying to reproduce what you see taken at Old Trafford. That is what photography is all about : USE YOUR EYES. Capture shapes, record what you see.
Picture editors see thousands of bland pictures every week. You have to stand out to have a chance.
THINGS I DO NOT LIKE ABOUT THIS FORUM :
1 - the immoral judging
What professionals HATE with a passion is a jumped up know it all who sadly judges others on their equipment. Today I shot the India football team playing v South Korea. I was the only European photographer therebut there were a couple of Indians with 85mm lenses, but holding their cameras properly and showing the ability that suggested that they had an eyes for a picture, when I saw their work it made me feel ashamed at what I had produced today.
I have challenged some on here for such suggestions, some of the smarty pants replied that they were only joking - yer whatever.
What matters are pictures, pictures and pictures.
He has sadly passed away now but there was a photographer called Peter Jay. He worked for the Daily Star producing the editorial work that they required of him. He eventually left to go to the Independent when they paper was black and white and meant something. His work was stunning. He surprised most including myself as we did not think we had it in him.
2 - no one is creative
I actually DREAM of being at a non-league ground where I can express myself with a wide angle lens.
Look at the stunning work of HANS VAN DER MEER _ get his book.
LOOK AND BLOODY LEARN. Someone sending in images like this or their own creative take stands a bigger chance than someone sending in shockingly cropped images, horizons all over the place and images that are basically terrible - but they think they are good because they are in focus!
3 - people who think it is easy
The consistant standards required will AMAZE most of you.
What I can not understand is why people spend so much of their hard earnt money on lenses and simply do not have a clue how to use them.
If I purchased a helicopter I would have to invest hugely in lessons and have a mentor.
When I suggest running a course for £4,000 a year I got insults! Woo Hoo, I have caused a reaction, I like challenging people and getting a reaction but please tell me HOW someone will learn to be a rally driver without advanced and proper instruction?
4 - wishy washy sandal wearing liberals who go running to teacher because of an insult. Mental strength is everything.
Teaching someone to become a football photographer is about 60% mental attitude and understanding yourself in order to cope.
Try getting a superb image at a FA Cup final like I did of Freddie Ljungburg of Arsenal scoring only for Michael Owen to score the winner at the other end resulting in your image never seeing the light of day and going home thinking that your day has been wasted regardless of your top quality work. The mental strength needed is immense as I say. Most of the time you end up going home depressed and peed off. The job is not nice. It is not fun. Try going to Milan every weekend for 14 months. You HATE airports, security staff, taxi drivers only to work in a superb theatre which after 2-3 visits is just another workplace. And thats before you have even put a roll of film in your camera.
I dispair when I see people checking the back of their cameras and looking at LCD screens.
SHOOT MANUALLY and learn everything about your camera from white balance to metering so that you dont have to keep bloody checking.
HAVE FAITH IN YOUR EYE - anything else will result in certain failure.
5 - Those who do not listen and think that they know it all
The most frustrating thing for me is that people simply do not listen and think they know it all.
I was once sent to photograph an outside of a hospital three times before it was good enough.
I have been teaching photographers for 10 years now. Only two have made it. Most gave up. Those two now work on Fleet Street and I am proud of them.
I could write a 40,000 page book about football photography but as I have stated, the only way to learn is to make mistakes and be slaughtered for it.
6- those who give away their work for free
They lack love and passion in their life and need comforting from seeing their work published which will get commented on by back slappers from Flickr viewers who know absolutely nothing about right or wrong.
Get them on my counselling couch.
Speak to Kippax PLEASE. He understands.
Newspapers and publishers are businesses.
People buy newspapers and advertisers pay big money to advertise in them. Therefore why give pictures away for free? Credits and bylines do not pay the bills at Tesco or cloth the kids. So what if you earn £60k selling Mercedes cars, does that mean I can drive away with the latest S320 with out paying?
Professionals are business people. I so need a new sales person but no one wants to sell pictures anymore - only be the big I am and think it is cool to walk around Old Trafford with a 600mm when realistically those at Old Trafford dont want to be there!
I know for sure THREE newspaper editors who invoiced their employee for images from photographers submitting their work for free. Perhaps it has changed now as some genuinely do not have budgets, but quite simply go to the bloody kit sponsor and get money from them instead and THEN give the pictures away, but for Gods sake EARN something for your endeavours.
(no doubt the religious will ban me for taking the Lords name in vain, but I speak with passion.)
7 - showing no respect
Photography is a HARD HARD business.
Shooting on a manual focus lens getting 33 frames sharp out of 36 on a roll of film was an immense skill.
Providing images editors WANT and not what a photographer thinks is right is a challenge too. Everyone in the industry respects each other.
All I hear from outsiders is slagging off PA, Getty etc.
Those people are weak who have issues with themselves and do not feel comfortable about the fact that they are not good enough or succeeding.
No one likes a big head. Just be yourself and quietly go about your business, otherwise you wont make it and will be despised.
On a sour note, some have turned up at major sporting events and have caused so much havoc, it has resulting in people being paid to be there not being able to work properly. Sadly I fear regulations will change in the future. If you stop a national newspaper photographer from working, people get to know about it.
...we all have long memories.
8 - get back to basics
Composition
Rule of Thirds
Horizons
Myself and another photographer looked through some websites that you have. About 75% of the pictures could have been improved with simple things like getting horizons straight and uprights upright.
Lazy cropping is a sin and shows no basic understanding of pictures - and indeed why crop? Shoot full frame and crop in camera.
-------
my departing words
My hobby is understanding people, if I was not a photographer I would be a psychiatrist.
I understand most of you.
I can pigeon hole most of you.
Some I want to smack in the face.
Some I want to cuddle and nurture.
There are other professionals on here who actually want to give something back and get pleasure out of teaching but sadly there are too many wishy washy sandal wearing liberals who do not like being told home truths and basically can not hack criticism.
Thus we must depart and leave you alone as apparently some people can not stand insults, the truth, being knocked back.
Apparently to some, the world is full of fluffy pink bunny rabbits where everything is nice and lovely.
Like I said, to the religious and those who shoot stain glassed windows, they command respect.. but NOT IN SPORTS PHOTOGRAPHY! Not when people WANT and ASK for help but then don't like the advice that they receive.
Some have my email address so they can continue getting advice.
Im not being cocky but I came on here , apart for one other private reason which some know about - I wondered if there was any new talent knocking about.
I only sadly rate 2-3 of you.
But take that as a challenge.
But that is down to two reasons - I see no one putting their money down in wanting to be educated and the other being simply not creative enough. But it is the same in rock music. Only the creative survive, the ones who churn out new songs, or revamp old ones making them better or making them appeal to a new audience. The same with authors, only those with the best novels get published.
...so as agreed by the forum manager....
For a one off...
post any questions about football photography and I will gladly answer as best as I can.
You have 48 hours.
...then I'm off.
I would appreciate no remarks about what I have written, only please reply in putting a question or two down should you want advice, help or ask me something.
I totally respect those who simply want to enjoy photography as a hobby but those who 'pretend' to be sport photographers and then go moaning because of not liking home truths from professionals - sorry you have ruined it for everyone and I am too busy to be caught up in an exchange of words.
Either I should not be here, or others need to not remark and go elsewhere. I am off. Happy snapping and the next person to use the term TOG gets a black eye. Seriously, seriously, seriously - I have done this for a living for 20+ years now. I have NEVER hard the term TOG apart from on crappy forums. Sorry but it gets under my skin and for my own mental health I need to get it out. Thank you.
Keep the forum master sweet, he seems to be a nice happy and understanding person x
