Fence them all in the area and let them kill each other off.?
Russ77 said:Definitely!!!
This has nowt to do with race or religion. If it's about the guy getting shot then these mindless scumbags need a wakeup call!!!
If we are to believe what's been said in the press, the guy had a gun AND opened fire on police. If members of the local community feel that he was unfairly dealt with then we have a HUGE problem which is a result of the namby-pamby hug a hoodie culture that's been evident since the 90s.
I'm 34 years old, I did most of my growing up in the 80s. I was taught that if I did bad stuff I'd probably end up in prison and be fed bread and water. If I misbehaved at school I'd be dealt with by the teachers, who'd then tell my parents and they'd punish me too. As an example, in infants' school if you kicked anyone you had your shoes taken off you and they were hung by their shoelaces from the ceiling and you didn't go out at lunch and "playtime".
May seem a little Draconian by today's standards but it taught an important lesson which is it certain actions have certain consequences!
Outside of school I knew that there were lots of people in the community who knew my parents and/or family and they wouldn't hesitate to tell my parents if I was up to no good.
It just seems to me that this has been pretty much wiped out of society, people either don't give a flying one or are too scared to report bad behaviour.
My niece is 12 and on the whole not a bad kid but I often get "Uncle Russell, Mum shouted at me and hurt my feelings", when you delve a little bit deeper it turns out she's run up an £80 mobile phone bill but that (in her eyes) doesn't justify my sister in law reading her the riot act. Transfer this "hurt feelings" nonsense to the scrotes that now roam the streets free to do what they want and they feel that they're above the law. Add in non-Caucasians and the race & discrimination card gets played too!!!
I think it's simple, if you really don't like the way this country's run and think it's perfectly acceptable to shoot at police and then go on a rampage destroying homes and businesses........ GO AND FIND SOMEWHERE ELSE TO LIVE!!!
yet again the thugs turn what would probably have been a peaceful protest into a riot.
yet again the thugs turn what would probably have been a peaceful protest into a riot.
I read that the protest only turned violent after the police batoned a 16-year old girl to the ground. Also read disturbing reports of Duggan being dragged out of the taxi and then shot whilst he was on the ground. Don't know why everyone automatically believes the police/media's side of the story.
I read that the protest only turned violent after the police batoned a 16-year old girl to the ground. Also read disturbing reports of Duggan being dragged out of the taxi and then shot whilst he was on the ground. Don't know why everyone automatically believes the police/media's side of the story.
I read that the protest only turned violent after the police batoned a 16-year old girl to the ground. Also read disturbing reports of Duggan being dragged out of the taxi and then shot whilst he was on the ground. Don't know why everyone automatically believes the police/media's side of the story.
I read that the protest only turned violent after the police batoned a 16-year old girl to the ground. Also read disturbing reports of Duggan being dragged out of the taxi and then shot whilst he was on the ground. Don't know why everyone automatically believes the police/media's side of the story.
I read that the protest only turned violent after the police batoned a 16-year old girl to the ground. Also read disturbing reports of Duggan being dragged out of the taxi and then shot whilst he was on the ground. Don't know why everyone automatically believes the police/media's side of the story.
I read that the protest only turned violent after the police batoned a 16-year old girl to the ground. Also read disturbing reports of Duggan being dragged out of the taxi and then shot whilst he was on the ground. Don't know why everyone automatically believes the police/media's side of the story.
OK, let's just say the rumours you've heard are true......
Can you honestly say that justifies anything that happened last night?
With regards to the Duggan shooting, he had a gun, some (including myself) would argue he deserved to be shot just for having a gun on his person.
Why would anyone carry a gun if they didn't intent to kill or injure anyone?
OK, let's just say the rumours you've heard are true......
Can you honestly say that justifies anything that happened last night?
With regards to the Duggan shooting, he had a gun, some (including myself) would argue he deserved to be shot just for having a gun on his person.
Why would anyone carry a gun if they didn't intent to kill or injure anyone?
You don't even need to carry a gun, a table leg or back pack is enough to get executed.
This could about to be blown wide open though.
You don't even need to carry a gun, a table leg or back pack is enough to get executed.
..... Kicked off in Enfield.I have just got home from my part in these events. I'm grateful to be home with a chilled pint of Bateman's Victory Ale. My role, as a DC, is now in the investigative side. Today, that has involved dealing with some of the prisoners from last night's violence and looting.
The prisoners I dealt with today:
a) Were all criminals already - with records as long as your arm
b) Were all "local residents"
c) Had never heard of "Mark Duggan"
I also took a report from a press photographer who was set upon by a mob (who had been stealing frozen food) and had over £8,000 of equipment stolen from him. The tog was also smashed over the head with a bottle, and given a gut-punch just to show him how angry the "community" are.
I have been to Tottenham and seen the damage. It is immense. We do not need ACPO-approved weasel words of appeasement, nor another truckload of "community leaders" whinging and whining about the deprivation of the area and blaming everybody except the looters themselves.
This was unchecked thieving and violence, pure and simple - piggybacked onto a police firearms incident to provide some loose "justification". An incident in which a supposedly "innocent" (to use the words of his family) man has fired a loaded handgun at a police officer, who has been lucky to escape with his life.
My uniformed colleagues have endured some horrendous violence over the last few hours, and 8 of them are in hospital still - 1 with a serious head injury. They have fought running battles with groups of armed thugs, knowing that although they have the support of the silent majority, they will still be criticised and complained about at the drop of a hat - while the media gives a platform to people like this. They have precious little faith in their senior officers, who will join hands with the politically-correct people whose ideology has largely landed us in this mess. We know that we are damned if we do, and damned if we don't.
And tonight, we will be out doing it all again.
I seriously can't understand how any reasonable person can make ANY excuse for the events of last night OR someone carrying a gun! :shake:
why? as said the guy was still carrying a concealed firearm. whether he managed to fire it or not is irrelvant, the police are trained to react to threat not let something happen then react.
That's just another symptom of the problem though isn't it.
The table leg guy was acting in a way to make the police think he had a firearm, let's just pretend it was a firearm, the police did nothing and he killed either some police officers or a nearby family and also John De Mendez, OK it does look like the police got this wrong BUT given the circumstances I don't really blame them.
The whole of London was reeling from the tube/bus bombings, they believed there was a credible threat and he failed to comply with a simple police order to "Stop", again if he'd detonated a bomb on the tube I'd dread to think of the outcry.
Let me re-phrase my point, if you carry a firearm be it real or imitation or act in a way that gives the police reasonable belief that you are carrying a firearm and or pose a significant threat to the public, you deserve to be shot!
Because the whole justification for the killing so far has seemingly been placed on him shooting at the police first. If the shots are all police fired, that would lead a cynic to believe maybe they shot the radio afterwards did this after they shot him to cover themselves. Or maybe the guy had acquired a police gun, I don't know, but it seems decidedly more than what was initially reported.
Not excusing the riots at all, I just think there could be more to the police shooting than meets the eye.