The virus. PPE. Part 1

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Donnie said:
One stupid action does not mean that her knowledge and experience is not applicable to the Scottish health system and it's people, throwing the baby out with the bathwater is simply daft.
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One stupid action repeated a week later, ignoring the advice she herself had given on TV.
 
Uncle Fester said:
Because we are suffering from two concurrent Pandemics.

The Corona Virus Pandemic, and the Morona Virus Pandemic which has engulfed populations on both sides of the Atlantic for at least four years...
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While I take your point BBC news has just said "Some measures could be lifted by the end of May if infections decrease sufficiently" right after saying the current measures to be reviewed next week, kinda allows people to self interpret and thats were the danger is, that lack of a clear message.
 
Nod said:
One stupid action repeated a week later, ignoring the advice she herself had given on TV.
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So you honestly believe that sacking her for her stupidity is enough to justify ignoring the experience and expertise she brings to the table?
 
Donnie said:
While I take your point BBC news has just said "Some measures could be lifted by the end of May if infections decrease sufficiently" right after saying the current measures to be reviewed next week, kinda allows people to self interpret and thats were the danger is, that lack of a clear message.
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Message is clear enough, current lockdown measures apply until the review. After the review, fresh instructions will be made and will then dictate whether the lockdown measures will remain the same, are increased, extended, or relaxed in some way.
 
Nod said:
GOOD person? "Do as I say while I do the opposite." Certainly should not have been given the option of resigning. At least she can now go back to work in a hospital, doing the job she's trained for since she's no longer in an important area - she might be of use there.
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Not “good” as in moral but good as in skilled/competent! The sort of error she made could kill someone in hospital though harmless in her CMO job yet you want her in a hospital?
 
Donnie said:
One stupid action does not mean that her knowledge and experience is not applicable to the Scottish health system and it's people, throwing the baby out with the bathwater is simply daft.
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Give her a public dressing down, fine her a months wages (instead of the police fining her £60 or what ever the fine is in Scotland for breaking the travel rules) & let her get on with her job. If she was good enough to be appointed in the first place let her continue to do the job. I wonder how many of 'us' have bent the rules so far?
 
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Bobsyeruncle said:
But they're not on the telly every day stressing the importance of staying at home and avoiding unnecessary travel. :)
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I think this is the key point. We've already had a ton of mismanagement with several stupid decisions by the Westminster government when the problem could have been contained.

The woman has caused a great deal of damage to the current attempts at containment. That damage can only be minimised by swift action. The Scots have no real alternative to making an example of her. If they don't, everyone and his idiot brother will be breaking the lockdown which really won't be good.
 
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BTW - how does an Obstetrician get to be someone advising us about behaviour [ not going out etc ] in a pandemic ?

That's the bit that has intrigued me about the mess

It's a case of 'do as I tell you not what I actually do '
 
Bobsyeruncle said:
Lots,
But they're not on the telly every day stressing the importance of staying at home and avoiding unnecessary travel. :)
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Johnson boasting of shaking hands with CV patients for a start — though I think that was a lie ... because I saw his lips moving :).
 
camerassassin said:
BTW - how does an Obstetrician get to be someone advising us about behaviour [ not going out etc ] in a pandemic ?

That's the bit that has intrigued me about the mess
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Because she is (was) just the front end of a team of specialist advisors, with the members of the team varying depending on the type of issue they are advising on.
 
I think the reality is that there was never any chance the major restrictions would only be in place for 3 weeks (just look at the the modelling that is informing the government's decisions, which predicts restrictions would have to apply for months rather than weeks to be effective), and that the situation is being reviewed all the time. They needed to give the public some date to focus on in the not too distant future, but it shouldn't surprise anyone when the 3 week review concludes restrictions have to be extended.
 
Donnie said:
While I take your point BBC news has just said "Some measures could be lifted by the end of May if infections decrease sufficiently" right after saying the current measures to be reviewed next week, kinda allows people to self interpret and thats were the danger is, that lack of a clear message.
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Donnie said:
So you honestly believe that sacking her for her stupidity is enough to justify ignoring the experience and expertise she brings to the table?
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That's your problem right there. If she didn't get sacked, or resign, the Government had no moral right to tell others to stay home when the CMO was ignoring her own advice.

I've no doubt there are plenty others well enough qualified to take her place just now. After all it's a virus nobody has seen before anyway.
 
dod said:
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I've no doubt there are plenty others well enough qualified to take her place just now. After all it's a virus nobody has seen before anyway.
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Don't change your horses in mid-stream! :(
 
'Police are investigating a suspected hate crime in which a person coughed in the face of a woman who is registered blind. Wiltshire police said the woman, who is aged in her 50s, was walking with her guide dog in Melksham at the weekend. Her guide dog alerted her that a person was nearby so the victim shouted out that she couldn’t social distance as she was unable to see and asked the person to keep their distance. However, instead of keeping a distance, the person approached the victim and coughed in her face – the victim felt their breath against her cheek.'

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...080bdb9f5353c5#block-5e8b49458f080bdb9f5353c5
 
She was a figurehead for a committee (by training, she's an obstetrician neither a virologist nor an epidemiologist - both will be represented on the committee). The deputy CMO will step up and the post will be backfilled.
 
hunnymonster said:
She was a figurehead for a committee (by training, she's an obstetrician neither a virologist nor an epidemiologist - both will be represented on the committee). The deputy CMO will step up and the post will be backfilled.
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It's been filled already, and he's been on the telly.
 
dod said:
That's your problem right there. If she didn't get sacked, or resign, the Government had no moral right to tell others to stay home when the CMO was ignoring her own advice.

I've no doubt there are plenty others well enough qualified to take her place just now. After all it's a virus nobody has seen before anyway.
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hunnymonster said:
She was a figurehead for a committee (by training, she's an obstetrician neither a virologist nor an epidemiologist - both will be represented on the committee). The deputy CMO will step up and the post will be backfilled.
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Wow, ok there's clearly no point carrying on as both of you have obviously no intention of believing anything other than firing / sacking her is in the benefit of peoples health. Clearly ye think there's a roomful of people just hanging about twiddling their thumbs that can simply slip into the role, but more importantly have the skills to replace her with no detriment to health policy.
 
If allowing her to continue in post encouraged some people to follow her example and ignore guidelines, that would not benefit people's health.

If her advice and guidance is that valuable, it will be sought. by the Scottish Govt. Indeed Sturgeon has said as much.

Of course there are others. Teams of people. No one is indispensable.
 
Retune said:
'Police are investigating a suspected hate crime in which a person coughed in the face of a woman who is registered blind. Wiltshire police said the woman, who is aged in her 50s, was walking with her guide dog in Melksham at the weekend. Her guide dog alerted her that a person was nearby so the victim shouted out that she couldn’t social distance as she was unable to see and asked the person to keep their distance. However, instead of keeping a distance, the person approached the victim and coughed in her face – the victim felt their breath against her cheek.'

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...080bdb9f5353c5#block-5e8b49458f080bdb9f5353c5
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What a moron. It’s shame that the guide dog wasn’t also trained as a attack dog.
 
Retune said:
'Police are investigating a suspected hate crime in which a person coughed in the face of a woman who is registered blind. Wiltshire police said the woman, who is aged in her 50s, was walking with her guide dog in Melksham at the weekend. Her guide dog alerted her that a person was nearby so the victim shouted out that she couldn’t social distance as she was unable to see and asked the person to keep their distance. However, instead of keeping a distance, the person approached the victim and coughed in her face – the victim felt their breath against her cheek.'

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...080bdb9f5353c5#block-5e8b49458f080bdb9f5353c5
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There are some people who are at liberty and are capable of plummeting to unthinkable depths of depravity. I am sure that such people do not commit such acts on a spur of the moment. They are sinister and malicious evildoers who spend every living moment of their miserable cowardly lives plotting ways and means of inflicting harm on innocent and helpless people.
How will that poor woman be able face up to going out and about.
If there was any justice in this world that criminal would be rendered blind.
 
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Donnie said:
Clearly ye think there's a roomful of people just hanging about twiddling their thumbs that can simply slip into the role, but more importantly have the skills to replace her with no detriment to health policy.
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She clearly cannot perform the role as she's been caught out being a hypocrite. There will be many people who can take on the role if only because they know better than to do what they have told others not to do.
 
Donnie said:
Wow, ok there's clearly no point carrying on as both of you have obviously no intention of believing anything other than firing / sacking her is in the benefit of peoples health. Clearly ye think there's a roomful of people just hanging about twiddling their thumbs that can simply slip into the role, but more importantly have the skills to replace her with no detriment to health policy.
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She was clearly and blatantly encouraging people to be out and about by her example - her actions were far more powerful than her words - and she forced their hand. To have kept her on would only have confirmed that the requirements for isolation were actually un-necessary, and could be disregarded at will. By her own actions, she has deprived the Scottish government of her services.

I'm sure if she's needed then they can consult with her out of the public eye.
 
Peter10d said:
Clearly should have been resting over the last ten days. Two people I know that suspected they had corona said the exhaustion was really bad.
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I have just watched a video of a bloke still recovering. He said that after first being admitted to hospital after 4-5 days and starting to feel better, he took a turn for the worse again and it was then that he ended up on a ventilator.
 
JohnC6 said:
I was hoping that some international effort could be made headed up by the WHO but having read this it would seem that all we have to look forward to is another killer pandemic.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-co...o-many-epidemics-originate-in-asia-and-africa

20 of the worst pandemics :
https://www.livescience.com/worst-epidemics-and-pandemics-in-history.html
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I’m afraid ‘international effort’ AKA cooperation, is dead. We’ve decided that unilateralism is the future.
 
sphexx said:
I read it because it said “the reason might surprise you” but unfortunately it meant the reason might surprise Americans :(.
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Where's that,Richard ? I've just read the link in your post . I'm obviously missing a trick here.

Re-read. Gothcha. In that small print. Ok..Now I see what you mean . I think this article in my link is what you're alluding to. Too many haven't a clue what's going on beyond their borders.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/lealan...nd-the-state-where-they-were-born-a-surprise/

I should be able to post this link without criticism because it's a US publisher. However, having said that it's who you ask the questions of.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/americas-cult-of-ignorance
 
Before we get too smug about Americans, here's the latest update on the 5G thing:

'At least 20 mobile phone masts across the UK are believed to have been torched or otherwise vandalised since Thursday, according to government and industry sources who are increasingly concerned about the impact of baseless theories linking coronavirus to 5G networks. There have been noticeable clusters of attacks on masts around Liverpool and the West Midlands. Owing to the slow rollout of 5G in the UK, many of the masts that have been vandalised did not contain the technology and the attacks merely damaged 3G and 4G equipment.'

https://www.theguardian.com/technol...s-vandalised-over-false-5g-coronavirus-claims
 
Retune said:
Before we get too smug about Americans, here's the latest update on the 5G thing:

'At least 20 mobile phone masts across the UK are believed to have been torched or otherwise vandalised since Thursday, according to government and industry sources who are increasingly concerned about the impact of baseless theories linking coronavirus to 5G networks. There have been noticeable clusters of attacks on masts around Liverpool and the West Midlands. Owing to the slow rollout of 5G in the UK, many of the masts that have been vandalised did not contain the technology and the attacks merely damaged 3G and 4G equipment.'

https://www.theguardian.com/technol...s-vandalised-over-false-5g-coronavirus-claims
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We had 2 vandalised in Essex last night just within the M25.
 
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