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I was sort of expecting a portrait of a lost pet or similar.
This is pretty nasty.
 
i think the title says it all!! well, enough.. lol..

Interesting pic.. they look very FRESH!!
 
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cyclone said:
I was sort of expecting a portrait of a lost pet or similar.
This is pretty nasty.
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If you have / had checked out Fracs "work" in the past he tends to specialise in this type of imagery.

EdinburghGary said:
A sad photo. Ignorance is bliss. I hope you don't mind, but if people fancy feeling a bit better after seeing this, look here:
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I can understand you feel the need to "re-dress" the balance Gary
but what these people are doing is illegal
1)foxes are vermin there is no getting away from that "the
government" say so.........
2) "they" also say that it is illegal to "feed, encourage or harbour"
that goes for Grey squirrels and rabbits as well.
 
Cobra said:
If you have / had checked out Fracs "work" in the past he tends to specialise in this type of imagery.



I can understand you feel the need to "re-dress" the balance Gary
but what these people are doing is illegal
1)foxes are vermin there is no getting away from that "the
government" say so.........
2) "they" also say that it is illegal to "feed, encourage or harbour"
that goes for Grey squirrels and rabbits as well.
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As I said I am completely ignorant to it. I see Foxes as fluffy ginger dogs :love: To me, they are majestic, cute and in need of some TLC. The truth of the matter, is I guess, in stark contrast to my rose tinted specs version.

I am not having a dig at Fracster, not one bit. As I said, ignorance, is bliss *dont ya love the Matrix :D).

Gary.
 
EdinburghGary said:
As I said I am completely ignorant to it. I see Foxes as fluffy ginger dogs :love: To me, they are majestic, cute and in need of some TLC. The truth of the matter, is I guess, in stark contrast to my rose tinted specs version.

I am not having a dig at Fracster, not one bit. As I said, ignorance, is bliss *dont ya love the Matrix :D).

Gary.
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No worries mate, everybody is perfectly entitled to thier own opinion.......(y)
 
Life is life, or death as the case may be. Now get out there and bag some grey squirrels.
 
fracster said:
No worries mate, everybody is perfectly entitled to thier own opinion.......(y)
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I don't have an opinion as such - I don't really know the deal with Foxes, I just have a "mushy, made up ideal" :D

Can I ask, what is the deal? They carry Rabies - are they "fair game" so to speak? I mean, could I if I wanted to, take a gun and shoot a fox, without any trouble?

Gary.
 
EdinburghGary said:
I don't have an opinion as such - I don't really know the deal with Foxes, I just have a "mushy, made up ideal" :D

Can I ask, what is the deal? They carry Rabies - are they "fair game" so to speak? I mean, could I if I wanted to, take a gun and shoot a fox, without any trouble?

Gary.
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Yep, you fancy some lessons?............:D

Foxes are still classed as vermin, as Chris points out, in the spring I shall get some photos as to why they are still classed as vermin.

And yes, when, not if, we get rabies in this country, cute little Mr Reynard will be the main carrier.
 
Well, I think that's a superb image. Its powerful and well taken. Well done.
 
fracster said:
Yep, you fancy some lessons?............:D

Foxes are still classed as vermin, as Chris points out, in the spring I shall get some photos as to why they are still classed as vermin.

And yes, when, not if, we get rabies in this country, cute little Mr Reynard will be the main carrier.
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Fair enough mate, you are clearly in the know. Gotta admit, they do "look" cute and fluffy :D
 
EdinburghGary said:
I don't have an opinion as such - I don't really know the deal with Foxes, I just have a "mushy, made up ideal" :D

Can I ask, what is the deal? They carry Rabies - are they "fair game" so to speak? I mean, could I if I wanted to, take a gun and shoot a fox, without any trouble?

Gary.
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Gary,
Rabies is all but extinct in the UK and has been for quite sometime
BUT with all this intercontinental travel and "pet smuggling" its not really a
matter of IF but WHEN, then thing will really get nasty :(

If you have a licenced gun and the land owners or their agents permission to
shoot on "that" land then you can take out vermin ( yes that includes foxes)
or game what ever the "arangement is.

Foxes in a hen house or game bird pen don't just kill one and go, they will
kill "most" bury a few, eat a few "bits" and leave.
If they weren't such indescriminent killers then maybe they would be left in peace

Urban foxes are an increasing problem
not only will they raid bins but tear open rabbit and guinea pig pens
and eat "fluffy" or half anyway, and leave the child to find the bits.
This is not meant to shock I have seen this first hand,
your average Joe is quite happy to see or have foxes around until "this type
of thing happens" and thats when the like of Frac or me are called to take care of things
I hope that goes a little way to help you see why "these things" are done


 
mobilevirgin said:
Well, I think that's a superb image. Its powerful and well taken. Well done.
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That was the image I had hoped to capture, glad you see it that way.

Ta.
 
Cobra said:
Gary,
Rabies is all but extinct in the UK and has been for quite sometime
BUT with all this intercontinental travel and "pet smuggling" its not really a
matter of IF but WHEN, then thing will really get nasty :(

If you have a licenced gun and the land owners or their agents permission to
shoot on "that" land then you can take out vermin ( yes that includes foxes)
or game what ever the "arangement is.

Foxes in a hen house or game bird pen don't just kill one and go, they will
kill "most" bury a few, eat a few "bits" and leave.
If they weren't such indescriminent killers then maybe they would be left in peace

Urban foxes are an increasing problem
not only will they raid bins but tear open rabbit and guinea pig pens
and eat "fluffy" or half anyway, and leave the child to find the bits.
This is not meant to shock I have seen this first hand,
your average Joe is quite happy to see or have foxes around until "this type
of thing happens" and thats when the like of Frac or me are called to take care of things
I hope that goes a little way to help you see why "these things" are done
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Cheers mate, I really was not aware of that side of it.

Gary.
 
fracster said:
Not many are Gary.

But anyway, do you like my pic or not?...............:LOL:
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On a technical level, the detail on the fox is ace. Would be good if its "prey" were in focus, but that is a nit pick. It is definately a powerful image too, so I do like it yes :D

Gary.
 
EdinburghGary said:
On a technical level, the detail on the fox is ace. Would be good if its "prey" were in focus, but that is a nit pick. It is definately a powerful image too, so I do like it yes :D

Gary.
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Cracking, cheers dude.............(y)
 
You only really get to learn about things such as foxes when you go and live in the country. I used to live in Devon and my neighbour was a sheep farmer. You really would not like to listen to his opinion on foxes.

There were some birds on his "not too popular" list as well because they would take the eyes out of newborn lambs.

After a few months living there I had granted him grazing rights on our land and had myself a firearms licence.

I once famously shot a rat off our bird table with an airgun, no mean feat since I had the barrel sticking out the cat flap. :)
 
Cobra said:

No worries Gary as Frac said everyone is entitled to an opinion and Kudos to you for asking for more info (y)




No its s**t ..........poor Raynard :LOL:
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:LOL:

I did try to ressucitate it, i`d even got a nice dog bed ready for it..........:crying:
 
I grew up on a farm, the devastation caused by foxes has to be seen to be believed, My dad still has problems with one.

I can see why the photo will upset people who arent used to the rural life, we all love wildlife but there has to be limits.
 
Thanks Carol.

I tried to get all arty with this one, the fox was chucked in the bakkie and landed facing the pheasant,in an unusual moment, i kinda thought it looked weird/different/symbolic, the dead fox facing its dead prey.........maybe it worked,maybe not.
 
Cobra, no I'm not familiar with Frac's work, I haven't been here long (less than a month).
I have no problem with the removal of a problem fox, a friend lost half a coop of prize chickens once.
I do have a problem with fox hunting, a gun is a much quicker and more humane way of dealing with it.
This fox appears to have been lobbed on top of an old timing belt or something, just seems a little wrong.
 
I think it's an excellent image. It's well composed and striking! Well done.

I know it's not strictly relevant, but frankly I find it hard to understand how people can complain about this. Watch the news and see what cholera has done to thousands of Zimbabwean babies if you want to see something that is genuinely heart-wrenching.

And photography should never shy away from hard-hitting topics anyway, especially not when handled as professionally as this photo.
 
cyclone said:
I do have a problem with fox hunting, a gun is a much quicker and more humane way of dealing with it.
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Only if the person on the other end of the gun, knows what they are doing, gets a clean shot, doesn't simply intend to maim the fox in the first place.
I am not saying the maiming bit happens a lot, but it does happen. And even the best shot goes astray at times.

I am speaking as someone who has spent a lot of time on the "right" end of a shotgun. I also live in an area of France considered to be a "hot spot" for Rabies, it's also one of the biggest poultry producing areas and foxes have their place here too.

Tara

Fracster - sorry forgot to I say, I am moved by the image.
 
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For the record.

This fox was not hunted by dogs,I do not go foxhunting with dogs as I do not like it.This was killed by a single shot.

The carcass was put in the back of a six wheel drive with the pheasants killed on the same drive and taken back to the lodge.The local taxidermist usually takes the carcass.
 
As some of you may know I used to breed various ducks and chickens. I occasionally lost one to a fox which I did not like but put up with. However on one visit it killed 12 of my call ducks in a large open pen so I put nearly all my birds in a pen that was supposedly fox proof. The result was that I lost over 50 call ducks (minature ducks) and bantam hens, most of which were home bred, and which were discovered just after lunch by a friend's young children who had come to look at the birds.

These pictures are a few years old and I was sobbing as I took them, they were scanned in from prints for which I cannot currently find the originals to create better copies. They show just a few of the remains of my beautiful little ducks

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Aye, that looks about right for a fox kill Christine,sorry to see that.

We lose birds to Owls,hawks,stoats etc etc when they are young, they kill to eat and feed thier young.I don`t mind that,within reason. Whilst the country fox is a magnificent creature to see,they are so much "redder" than urban foxes, the simple fact is that they kill because they can, not because they have to.I really would not mind them taking the odd pheasant and eating it, but they don`t,they kill as many as they can and leave intact carcasses (usually with the heads nipped off) scattered around the feeding pens.
 
Kerioak said:
As some of you may know I used to breed various ducks and chickens. I occasionally lost one to a fox which I did not like but put up with. However on one visit it killed 12 of my call ducks in a large open pen so I put nearly all my birds in a pen that was supposedly fox proof. The result was that I lost over 50 call ducks (minature ducks) and bantam hens, most of which were home bred, and which were discovered just after lunch by a friend's young children who had come to look at the birds.

These pictures are a few years old and I was sobbing as I took them, they were scanned in from prints for which I cannot currently find the originals to create better copies. They show just a few of the remains of my beautiful little ducks

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Holy ****. :(
 
fracster said:
Aye, that looks about right for a fox kill Christine,sorry to see that.

We lose birds to Owls,hawks,stoats etc etc when they are young, they kill to eat and feed thier young.I don`t mind that,within reason. Whilst the country fox is a magnificent creature to see,they are so much "redder" than urban foxes, the simple fact is that they kill because they can, not because they have to.I really would not mind them taking the odd pheasant and eating it, but they don`t,they kill as many as they can and leave intact carcasses (usually with the heads nipped off) scattered around the feeding pens.
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Thats insane, what is it that drives them to kill? Sounds like a "freak of nature" so to speak, I mean - most animals kill to eat, to survive? But by what you are saying, the fox simply kills because it can.

Is this due to an instinct that maybe says "Kill now, eat later"?

I am fascinated to be honest, and a little shocked at this trait.

Gary.
 
I have wondered if they get over excited. My birds are used to dogs (although I do not have anywhere near as many poultry/waterfowl now) and so do not panic when the dogs walk or run through them although they probably would if they were deliberately chased.

It might be as the fox chases a bird it panics and sets others in the group off and the fox gets overexcited by all the noise and movement and goes into killing mode. With free ranging birds you generally only lose one at a time but if there is any kind of fencing, or they get cornered as possibly happened with the first twelve, you can lose a/the lot
 
EdinburghGary said:
Thats insane, what is it that drives them to kill? Sounds like a "freak of nature" so to speak, I mean - most animals kill to eat, to survive? But by what you are saying, the fox simply kills because it can.

Is this due to an instinct that maybe says "Kill now, eat later"?

I am fascinated to be honest, and a little shocked at this trait.

Gary.
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Worst we had this year was 35 pheasant poults killed in one pen,none eaten.

Why? I have no idea.

Being honest,the only predators we kill are fox and mink.It does not sit well with some people, but the fact is that they both need controlling to safegaurd the population of other species.
 
Read the posts - I'm still with the fox.

On a photographic level, you've taken a very powerfui, emotive shot.
 
Now then, I'm not against legitimate population control (in the case of mink etc)...and Fracster, I'm not trying to pick a fight here, I'm just writing how I see it!

Thousands of pheasants are bred, and released into the wild...which is not natural, and therefore within itself, is tinkering with the population. Which is in no way the foxes fault.

Yet it becomes victim to this mass semi-wild population of birds released into it's habitat. Granted, killing for pleasure doesn't do it any favours. The fox died to protect profits, not a population. If it did die to protect a population, then surely those who run around with guns shooting them should also be held to account?

If it had to die due to it's behaviour..mother nature would take care of it perfectly, as she has done so for millions upon millions of years :)

Ps. It is a powerful image..not one I am personally joyous to see, but powerful none the less!
 
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