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Indeed, thanks for the link.
Indeed, thanks for the link.
Indeed, thanks for the link.
Indeed, thanks for the link.
My thoughts are a confused market: at one end trying to push everyone from APS-C to full frame and at the other to m43, and with all camps declaring that their way is the best way. Both involved a certain amount of expense in a system change, so many resist it.
One person I know just got a Olympus OMD E-M5 and inside of 2 weeks is considering selling a raft of decent canon kit to swap. I called him mad, he said try it and be surprised. And that I think is the sticking point: trying it costs too much. An SLR I know, m43 I don't and trying it for long enough to know what's what means buying in (or talking someone into lending you some kit) and that's just too much for many. Lower that barrier to entry and I truly believe CSC has the ability to replace the bottom end of the DSLR market where AF speed, FPS and super telephotos don't matter. It could also replace a lot of the pro market where the rugged DSLR isn't needed and the smaller size may help, but first people need it in their hands.
I think the IQ point has been sorted above.But it's not saturated with quality mirrorless cameras. It's saturated with cameras that aren't as good as dSLRs. They all lack decent AF, don't have the image quality of high end SLRs and don't have access to the fantastic range of Canon and Nikon lenses.
There will be professional grade mirrorless cameras and they will be launched by both Canon and Nikon.
To be fair it's the sunk cost I have in Nikon that's keeping me there. I did consider a canon switch for the 5d iii but I'd loose too much in the process.
However if I can try a m43 for a week or so it may replace the std zoom I am considering (price isn't miles different). However it's getting those 2 weeks hands on without just jumping in with both feet incase it turns out to be a bad fit.
I lost £200 on my 17-55 I bought used as the market changed in the 10 months I've owned it. And that's just one lens. You can't always assume minimal cost difference.You could always buy used and lose next to nothing if you decide to sell it.
To be fair it's the sunk cost I have in Nikon that's keeping me there. I did consider a canon switch for the 5d iii but I'd loose too much in the process.
However if I can try a m43 for a week or so it may replace the std zoom I am considering (price isn't miles different). However it's getting those 2 weeks hands on without just jumping in with both feet incase it turns out to be a bad fit.
I lost £200 on my 17-55 I bought used as the market changed in the 10 months I've owned it. And that's just one lens. You can't always assume minimal cost difference.
I lost £200 on my 17-55 I bought used as the market changed in the 10 months I've owned it. And that's just one lens. You can't always assume minimal cost difference.
I can't believe people who love mirrorless so much don't think Nikon and Canon will release a mirrorless pro grade camera that will work with their existing pro lens range. Really quite laughable.
As for the lack of decent AF, that's why mirrorless cameras are no use to me and many pro photographers. Couple that with zero decent long lens options and I'm very happy sticking with my dSLRs for the foreseeable.
Well we are pleased that you are happy!!! Just because they don't meet your needs, doesn't mean they have to be given a pasting, they just don't suit your intended use. Many are happy with them. There is room in the camera world for both types, it's not them and us!!!!
I can't believe people who love mirrorless so much don't think Nikon and Canon will release a mirrorless pro grade camera that will work with their existing pro lens range. Really quite laughable.
As for the lack of decent AF, that's why mirrorless cameras are no use to me and many pro photographers. Couple that with zero decent long lens options and I'm very happy sticking with my dSLRs for the foreseeable.
Lower that barrier to entry and I truly believe CSC has the ability to replace the bottom end of the DSLR market where AF speed, FPS and super telephotos don't matter. It could also replace a lot of the pro market where the rugged DSLR isn't needed and the smaller size may help, but first people need it in their hands.
I believe I have already said exactly that. I only questioned the "quality" claim of current mirrorless cameras. I don't believe any camera that is trying to compete with dSLRs and has a poor AF system can be described as quality.
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I can't believe people who love mirrorless so much don't think Nikon and Canon will release a mirrorless pro grade camera that will work with their existing pro lens range. Really quite laughable.
As for the lack of decent AF, that's why mirrorless cameras are no use to me and many pro photographers. Couple that with zero decent long lens options and I'm very happy sticking with my dSLRs for the foreseeable.
It could also replace a lot of the pro market where the rugged DSLR isn't needed and the smaller size may help, but first people need it in their hands.
Most of the ccs company are lower ranging from about 15% to 4%,making it very hard to predict which cameras will be around in a few years time
I get more in-focus shots with my CSC than I ever did with my DSLR - why - because focus is done by the sensor,not by some phase detect system with mechanical tolerances and different lenses that may or may not get it quite right.I I don't believe any camera that is trying to compete with dSLRs and has a poor AF system can be described as quality.
The reason I moved to CSCs was lens size and quality, not body size (I have a gripped GH3 which replaced a gripped 5D2 - much more compact)If you're sticking grips on you may as well get a DSLR.
I'll hazard a guess that the Sony E mount will be around for a while, as will Panasonic/Olympus MFT and Fuji X. However unless Sony decides to make more lenses available quickly the Sony FE mount is looking vulnerable, and Samsung is looking a bit too niche to be truly secure long-term.
I may be on my own with this opinion, but I genuinely think that Sony have fluffed it with the A7 and A7r as full-frame mirror-less CSCs - focussing on the bodies and failing to provide a complete system.
The reason I moved to CSCs was lens size and quality, not body size (I have a gripped GH3 which replaced a gripped 5D2 - much more compact)
I'll hazard a guess that the Sony E mount will be around for a while, as will Panasonic/Olympus MFT and Fuji X. However unless Sony decides to make more lenses available quickly the Sony FE mount is looking vulnerable, and Samsung is looking a bit too niche to be truly secure long-term.
I may be on my own with this opinion, but I genuinely think that Sony have fluffed it with the A7 and A7r as full-frame mirror-less CSCs - focussing on the bodies and failing to provide a complete system.
I'll hazard a guess that the Sony E mount will be around for a while, as will Panasonic/Olympus MFT and Fuji X. However unless Sony decides to make more lenses available quickly the Sony FE mount is looking vulnerable, and Samsung is looking a bit too niche to be truly secure long-term.
I may be on my own with this opinion, but I genuinely think that Sony have fluffed it with the A7 and A7r as full-frame mirror-less CSCs - focussing on the bodies and failing to provide a complete system.
Only time will tell but at the moment the lenses that would interest me the most seem to be high quality. Personally I'd have been happy with something of the performance of a Sigma 50mm f1.4 which is a cracking lens IMVHO and I doubt I'd ever need anything better... but Sony seem to be aiming for better.
Personally the lack of FE lenses doesn't really bother me because I bought an A7 to use my manual Minolta and Olympus lenses on and for that it's pretty much perfect.
But for a pro to consider using one (from a wedding point of view), you'd need around 8-9. It's not so much the cost, it's the hassle to do it within very short windows of time.
Who wants to charge up 9 batteries and keep track of the used ones? Just use a DSLR.
Who wants to charge up 9 batteries and keep track of the used ones? Just use a DSLR.
Personally the lack of FE lenses doesn't really bother me because I bought an A7 to use my manual Minolta and Olympus lenses on and for that it's pretty much perfect.
And that's the one appeal of the A7/r - a very niche market of old lens users. There's very little in the system to appeal to the average buyer also looking at a Canon or Nikon full-frame DSLR. There's nothing mid-range or affordable in the native mount.
I dread all the on-line posts calling for Fujifilm to produce a full-frame X-series - can they not see what a disaster it would be to "do a Sony" and try and support too many systems?