5D Mark II Finally Announced - Official Discussion Thread

petemc said:
Still not sure
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Wait until you start to see dramatic film footage on TV caught from a 100-400 L lens with a 2x extender. Quite a few journalists are already using
tiny HD camcorders to record footage to refer to it later when they churn out their crap write ups. It will be a useful addition, sometimes, but it
will be no substitute for the sort of image a 21mpx FF sensor will produce. The video will be good enough for TV, and the sort of flash video seen
on local news websites. A screen grab will also be ok for web and newsprint.
 
barneyrubble said:
D300 has an APS-C sensor.

D3 has FF - different Sensor.

There is definately a difference in image quality between the two. D3 is far far better. D300 is very very good though.
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Yea bad type :bonk: meant to say "Same size sensor".............. Ok its 12.1MP and 12.3MP...near enough :suspect:
 
Tyrone Shoelaces said:
Wait until you start to see dramatic film footage on TV caught from a 100-400 L lens with a 2x extender. Quite a few journalists are already using
tiny HD camcorders to record footage to refer to it later when they churn out their crap write ups. It will be a useful addition, sometimes, but it
will be no substitute for the sort of image a 21mpx FF sensor will produce. The video will be good enough for TV, and the sort of flash video seen
on local news websites. A screen grab will also be ok for web and newsprint.
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But those journalists I'm sure are not photographers. They are journalists with a video camera. The 5dm2 can't record 30 minutes of footage for you to edit. Its for those little moments, but as a photographer you spend your life trying to be the best damn photographer you can to capture those little moments in one single frame that tells the entire story. I'm not saying it won't be used as I may use it myself and I'm sure others will. I know people are posting videos on Flickr. What I'm saying is that I believe a photographer would kick themselves for missing a great photo because they were capturing a 30 second video. I know I sure would and for that reason, when I'm in the thick of it I'll be thinking about getting that 1 photo not that 30 second video.
 
not knowing anything of this sort of thing; can you stop a movie frame and use that as a photo...? is that what all this high definition stuff is getting at? if so then shooting a movie with an slr is pretty handy. otherwise; chocolate teapot. sounds like an over priced digi-cam...
 
5dm2 at 21mp produces an image with a resolution of 5750 x 3650. The HD video it produces is 1920 x 1080. Thats quite a substantial crop. Yes you could do it, but personally I'd prefer that full 21mp photo to finding a frame grab in some video footage.
 
Speaking as an ex-television cameraman.............

......what on earth is the point of a camcorder without sound! :nuts:
 
Changing tack a bit here, has anyone seen how it performs at high ISOs in comparison with the mkI? I'd be really interested in seeing how it handles ISO 1600 and 3200 with identical settings and shot with the mkI. It's those dark atmospheric winter weddings I'm interested in using this for where flash would murder the scene. While I'm happy with how the mkI version handles it there's always room for improvement.
 
ranarama said:
Changing tack a bit here, has anyone seen how it performs at high ISOs in comparison with the mkI? I'd be really interested in seeing how it handles ISO 1600 and 3200 with identical settings and shot with the mkI. It's those dark atmospheric winter weddings I'm interested in using this for where flash would murder the scene. While I'm happy with how the mkI version handles it there's always room for improvement.
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That's exactly what I'm waiting for. Comparisons against the D700 too, of course :)
 
I can't honestly see a reason for the video. This is a product for photographers, not videographers. I can only assume that the additional cost of the software and hardware needed to be able to capture video is virtually nothing compared to the overall build cost for the camera so Canon thought why not add it. It's an added feature which maybe they think can justify a higher price without increasing their costs significantly. If that's right then for the consumer market it's perfect. For the pro-tog market then I think they've missed the mark as we're all cynical buggers and wish they'd spent the money on something else.
 
Anyway, we shouldn't bitch about it having an extra feature, even if you don't use it. Well, then don't use it. You don't not buy a car you like because it came with a plasma TV as an extra.

It would be interesting when this hits people's hands and see what cool videos they came back with, using all their lenses.
 
petemc said:
I don't know about anyone else but I don't take photos for 1080p TV sets
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I was quite disappointed when I saw a cracking landscape pic of mine, captured with the 5D, up on our new Panasonic 1080p LCD. Maybe it was the
internal gfx processor of the TV and the downs scaling it had to do but I was expecting more. I haven't tried it with the Radeon HD 3850 Pro 512MB
GDDR3 I have in my PC yet. maybe it will improve the pic ? Personally, I can't see myself using the video feature on the 5D2, either, but until someone
does, someone who hits the sweet spot with this niche facility, I guess most of us will be wondering just what is possible to achieve with it.
 
Raymond Lin said:
Anyway, we shouldn't bitch about it having an extra feature, even if you don't use it. Well, then don't use it. You don't not buy a car you like because it came with a plasma TV as an extra.

It would be interesting when this hits people's hands and see what cool videos they came back with, using all their lenses.
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I agree with you but like I said above the market they're aiming at with this camera isn't really the consumer market (I don't think it is anyway). With that in mind then a professional photographer wants a camera that takes photos, not video. It's a perception thing in that it looks like a pro who just wants to take photos is having to pay extra for a feature he doesn't want.

You mention not buying a car because of the plasma TV, that's because that type of car is aimed at the consumer market. Say you are a professional driver and want a car that is as fast as possible. Even if a plasma screen weighed virtually nothing I'm guessing your average rally driver would not be impressed if his car was delivered with one because it's not a feature that would assist him to do the job, regardless of how fun it might be.
 
I think it's someway the arrogance of the photographer in us that finds this video feature "repulsive". We consider photography an art form and ourselves the artist, therefore how dare they introduce something that muddles our tools, a feature that has nothing to do with our art !

WHY DID THEY?????

HOW DARE THEY ? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fine, turn it off ! :p

The video doesn't make the camera worse, with the release of the D90 with video and now this, you bet all future DSLR will have the ability to do HD videos, this is just the start, don't fear it, embrace it. Now you can try out HD video without spending £1k on a HD camcorder. You can now film your kid blow out the candles on his/her birthday cake, video them taking their first step or say the first word.

HD video is a good thing.
 
Raymond Lin said:
I think it's someway the arrogance of the photographer in us that finds this video feature "repulsive". We consider photography an art form and ourselves the artist, therefore how dare they introduce something that muddles our tools, a feature that has nothing to do with our art !

WHY DID THEY?????

HOW DARE THEY ? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fine, turn it off ! :p

The video doesn't make the camera worse, with the release of the D90 with video and now this, you bet all future DSLR will have the ability to do HD videos, this is just the start, don't fear it, embrace it. Now you can try out HD video without spending £1k on a HD camcorder. You can now film your kid blow out the candles on his/her birthday cake, video them taking their first step or say the first word.

HD video is a good thing.
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For the record, you can get a fantastic HD camcorder for £380. And, it's tiny. My point is you don't need a £2,000 DSLR to take the first video of your new born child :) In fact, that would be a completely stupid thing to do. You buy a £2000 camera for what you would hope would be £2000's worth of cutting-edge photographic equipment.

The 5D MK I was a landmark in picture quality, and has been for three years. Canon have obviously gone as far as they can to repeat this, and I can't wait for the 100% crops taken on top quality L's.

Yes, many of us are disappointed that it's AF and FPS isn't 1D standards - but why would it be? That's what the 1D's are placed for.

Edit: Ray - this post isn't aimed at you, just used the quote button by accident :)
 
rdh said:
Yes, many of us are disappointed that it's AF and FPS isn't 1D standards - but why would it be? That's what the 1D's are placed for.
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Did anyone expect it to be? I think most people, and from what I've read on other forums, were expecting at least 5fps and the AF from the 50D. There is some confusion as to whether it has the 5dm1 AF or the improved AF from the 50D. I don't think anyone was really expecting a 1D in a 5D case.
 
Raymond Lin said:
Anyway, we shouldn't bitch about it having an extra feature, even if you don't use it. Well, then don't use it.
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Exactly. I've got live view available to me but couldn't begin to to tell you how to use it. Ridiculous thing on a dslr, shouldn't be allowed ;)
 
petemc said:
Did anyone expect it to be? I think most people, and from what I've read on other forums, were expecting at least 5fps and the AF from the 50D. There is some confusion as to whether it has the 5dm1 AF or the improved AF from the 50D. I don't think anyone was really expecting a 1D in a 5D case.
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I've read many posts with people wanting 1D type AF, which is what my point was about, it's not going to happen.
 
Then those people are being a little silly. But its still not unreasonable to expect it to have the same AF as the 50D. Seeing as they're both out at the same time. If they have taken the 5dm1 AF then thats just stupid of Canon.
 
petemc said:
Did anyone expect it to be? I think most people, and from what I've read on other forums, were expecting at least 5fps and the AF from the 50D. There is some confusion as to whether it has the 5dm1 AF or the improved AF from the 50D. I don't think anyone was really expecting a 1D in a 5D case.
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I dont think there is any confusion at all, it just has the original 5D focus system. Hence only the centre cross type point and the rest not. plus the six invisible points in the centre.
 
Well... I actually like the idea of the video feature and here's a few reasons why:

1. No need to carry a video camera :)
2. Covert video :naughty:
3. Multiple shots for focus stacking :thinking: (maybe)
4. Perfect for lunar and planetary imaging :clap: 30 fps :thumbs:
5. Would love to see how it performs with L series lenses :thinking:

will I buy it? Almost certainly (when the price comes down a bit) :D
 
Splog said:
Well... I actually like the idea of the video feature and here's a few reasons why:

1. No need to carry a video camera :)
2. Covert video :naughty:
3. Multiple shots for focus stacking :thinking: (maybe)
4. Perfect for lunar and planetary imaging :clap: 30 fps :thumbs:
5. Would love to see how it performs with L series lenses :thinking:

will I buy it? Almost certainly (when the price comes down a bit) :D
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OK, just got a few questions...
1. Yes
2. Errm, wouldn't a 5D plus a big white L lens make for a very bad covert camera?
3. Not sure I understand what you mean. What is focus stacking?
4. Why? - Genuine question, lunar and planetary is something I've never done before. How will the video help?
5. Yes.
 
ranarama said:
OK, just got a few questions...
1. Yes
2. Errm, wouldn't a 5D plus a big white L lens make for a very bad covert camera?
3. Not sure I understand what you mean. What is focus stacking?
4. Why? - Genuine question, lunar and planetary is something I've never done before. How will the video help?
5. Yes.
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1. Thankyou :D

2. Maybe, but it would only look like a dslr......:lol:

3. Actually never tried it, but it's taking multiple shots with different points of focus to give a greater dof esp usefull with macro :thinking:

4. OK genuine answer - With Lunar or Planetry if you take a high number of shots at high speed i.e. 15 - 30 fps you will capture the clear moments between any turbulance in the atmosphere :) you can then (with free software) split all the avi into individual frames and stack only the best shots, this increases detail and and gives incredibly sharp resuls without blowing out detail FYI an equivelant astro cam would cost in the region of £800 :)

5. Thanks again :)

Steve
 
rdh said:
For the record, you can get a fantastic HD camcorder for £380. And, it's tiny.
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You can get a great point and shoot camera for less money than that too but you wont be able to take pictures with nice oof backgrounds. That tiny HD camcorder wont be able to either, I personally wouldn't bother with a £400 camcorder for the type of stuff I would want to do. :shrug:

I would of thought photographers would of quite liked the idea of a 35mm sensor video mode so they can capture small videos with nice narrow dof which you cant get with consumer HD camcorders.
 
macmike said:
I can't wait to see what happens when you marry a 5D Mark II with a macro lens.
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You'd be better off with the 50D by miles, and with the 40D by a small margin. The crop advantage which applies to long lenses also applies to macro.
 
petemc said:
Then those people are being a little silly. But its still not unreasonable to expect it to have the same AF as the 50D. Seeing as they're both out at the same time. If they have taken the 5dm1 AF then thats just stupid of Canon.
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I'd agree with that, but as I understand it there's no improvement of the AF system of the 50D other than that induced by the addition of the Digic 1V processor, which could well be quite significant. I'd certainly expect the new 5D to be the same, given that it has the same processor.
 
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