F1 season 2016

fuzzyedges said:
nico is on 313 points 3 seconds give him 3 x 18 = 54 1 third =1 x 15 =15
313+54+15 =382
Lewis is on 280 points 4 firsts give him 4 x 25 =100
280+100 = 380
I could be wrong but thats how I see it
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Where are you getting those numbers from?
 
Do you not get 18 points for 2nd and 15 points for third and 25 points for a win and there are 4 races left
And are they not on 313 points and 280 points after japan
If I am wrong please correct me I do have senile moments
 
fuzzyedges said:
Do you not get 18 points for 2nd and 15 points for third and 25 points for a win and there are 4 races left
And are they not on 313 points and 280 points after japan
If I am wrong please correct me I do have senile moments
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You are not wrong, verstappen also won a nice chat with Charlie whiting again
 
fuzzyedges said:
Do you not get 18 points for 2nd and 15 points for third and 25 points for a win and there are 4 races left
And are they not on 313 points and 280 points after japan
If I am wrong please correct me I do have senile moments
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Sorry, I didn't realise that you could foretell the furure.
 
He wasn't for telling the future... he is stating the results that either driver would need to win the championship, this will change after the next race depending on what happens, if rosberg has an engine failure, Hamilton would be 8 points behind and it wouldn't be so straight forward, as it is now, he needs to beat rosberg at every race and rosberg to be third in one because of the size of the gap and points difference from 1st to 2nd
 
fuzzyedges said:
Although it looks good for Nico at the moment (3 seconds and a third in the last four races, i can stand being corrected ) I dont write off lewis yet
Even if Nico wins the championship he will be remembered in 10 years time to the non F1 person as much as sheckter and Jones unless he suddenly starts winning multiple championships To the F1 fan the 2016 championship would be remembered as the year Lewisis car broke down letting Nico win
As for jounalists Lewis should court the professionals and cut out the cut and paste crew
I admire Lewisis restraint with answering the same banal questions over and over again If it was me I wouldnt have walked out I would have lamped someone by now
Lewis must have run over a flock of robins the luck he has had this year Hat off to Nico for capitalizing on Lewisis mis fortunes with some quite remarkable laps
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What about James Hunt? he won one championship by 1 point and only then because Niki Lauda missed a couple of races after his accident and everyone remembers James fondly as a world champion. Don't get me wrong, I don't think Nico is up there with the best and I don't particularly like him or his borderline tactics at times but he is consistently quick if not quite the quickest.
The issue Merc have is their car does not seem to perform as well as others, comparatively, when following another car.
 
James Hunt was a character who happened to win a WDC, that's why he's remembered. Nico is less of a character and as yet hasn't won a WDC.
 
2016 FORMULA 1 UNITED STATES GRAND PRIX


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Circuit of The Americas

Lap data
Lap length 5.513km (3.426 miles)
Race laps 56
Race distance 308.728km (191.835 miles)
Pole position Right-hand side of the track
Lap record* 1’39.347 (Sebastian Vettel, 2012)
Fastest lap 1’35.657 (Sebastian Vettel, 2012, qualifying three)
Maximum speed 314kph (195.11 mph)
Distance from grid to turn one 363m


UK Times
Friday 21st October 2016
United States Grand Prix Free Practice 1: 10:00-11:30 (UK time: 16:00-17:30)
United States Grand Prix Free Practice 2: 14:00-15:30 (UK time: 20:00-21:30)
Saturday 22nd October 2016
United States Grand Prix Free Practice 3: 10:00-11:00 (UK time: 16:00-17:00)
United States Grand Prix Qualifying: 13:00 (UK time: 19:00)
Sunday 23rd October 2016
United States Grand Prix: 14:00 (UK time: 19:00)

Previous Winners
2015 United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
2014 United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
2013 Germany Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault
2012 United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes

Videos
Vettel 2012 onboard
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-Jee_AuH_Y


Alex Rossi Lotus 49 onboard
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Opzzn9sl1kU


Facts From Previous Race

With the 23rd win of his career, Nico Rosberg now has as many race victories as three-times world champion Nelson Piquet: the man who won the titles either side of Rosberg’s father’s 1982 championship.

The younger Rosberg may not be a champion himself, but the Japan win means he is closer to achieving it now than ever before. The minimum he must score in the four remaining races to guarantee the title regardless of what Hamilton does is three second places and one third. He can’t win the title in the USA race but could at the round after: the Mexican Grand Prix.

It is now mathematically impossible for any non-Mercedes driver to win the drivers’ championship. The Mercedes team also put a lock on the 2016 constructors’ championship. They are the fifth team in history to win three constructors’ championships in a row, joining Ferrari (1975-77 and 1999-2004), McLaren (1988-91), Williams (1992-94) and Red Bull (2010-13).

Hamilton’s poor reliability isn’t the only factor which has worked against him in the championship fight: His starts have too.

The statistics on this can be misleading. Rosberg’s net position change on lap one is much worse than Hamilton (25 places lost compared to nine) and Rosberg has ended lap one in a lower position than he started more times than his team mate (six to four).

But Hamilton’s starts have been more frequently damaging to his race-winning hopes. Every time he’s lost places at the start he’s given away at least five, ruining those chances of victory. Rosberg’s losses of position were almost entirely accounted for by two races, Canada and Malaysia. The worst of those, in Malaysia, was not due to a slow getaway by Rosberg and the damage it did was eradicated by Hamilton’s retirement

Those four bad starts have cost Hamilton dearly. Had he held his position at each of them he would have gained an extra 27 points and deprived Rosberg of 21 more. That 48-point swing is significant: Hamilton now trails Rosberg by 33.

Rosberg took the 30th pole position of his career by the slender margin of 13 thousandths of a second. At his average speed of 230.622kph, that’s a gap of just 83 centimetres. This was the closest front row since Hamilton beat Rosberg to pole at Singapore in 2014 by seven thousandths of a second.

It was Rosberg’s third pole position at Suzuka but until this race he had never won at the Japanese circuit. Hamilton remains yet to score a pole position at this track: his two Japanese Grand Prix poles occurred when the race was held at Fuji in 2007 and 2008.

Hamilton’s third place finish was the 100th podium appearance of his career. He’s the third driver to reach this century after Prost and Michael Schumacher.

Valtteri Bottas made his 73rd start in a grand prix last weekend. As all of them have been with Williams, he exceeded Jim Clark’s tally for the longest career spent entirely with the same team. Clark started all 72 of his races with Lotus. This record was previously beaten by Hamilton when he was at McLaren, prior to his switch to Mercedes.

Haas got both their drivers into Q3 for the first time ever. Seventh on the grid for Romain Grosjean is their highest starting position to date, but he very nearly started two places higher.

Grosjean’s lap time was measured as the same as Sergio Perez’s to within one-thousandth of a second. Perez started ahead because he had set his lap time first, but Grosjean revealed he had lost a few precious thousandths when his DRS failed to open. Perez gained an extra place thanks to Sebastian Vettel’s grid penalty, so had it not been for his DRS problem Grosjean would have started fifth.

Adding to Grosjean’s frustration, he posted the seventh finish for Haas this year in eleventh position – the highest place which scores no points. But it could be worse: five of those finishes were scored by team mate Esteban Gutierrez and he, unlike Grosjean, is still yet to score a point this year.

Honda’s home race wasn’t quite as excruciating as it was 12 months ago, but it was little better. As last year Fernando Alonso was the only one of McLaren’s drivers to reach Q2, and he was just 0.178s closer to the fastest time in that session than he was in 2015.

Finally, for only the second time this year all 22 starters finished the race. The other time this happened was in China. However Sunday’s race was also remarkable in that no penalties were handed down to any of the drivers – at least once Mercedes abandoned their protest against Max Verstappen.


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Championship Standings
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Interesting sort of race
Nico abandoning the race by race philosophy for the long game
Lewis running as slow as he dare whilst listening for the bang game over noise
Max hearing imaginary voices and daniel not hearing any under the virtual car
Ferrari doing what ferrari do best or in the case of Kimi it was the reverse of screw up
Fernando showing what he could do if only there was a fast engine in the mac
 
I have watched a lot less races this season and to be honest a quick check on a Monday after the race is enough for me now.

It has really lost it's appeal to me.
 
Was that from spectators queuing for burgers then? Others on here and on other forums found the race rather boring.
 
Is there another thread on here ?
 
I have watched F1 races since I was a young boy but this is the first season where I have found myself watching Quali and then watching the first 30 minutes of the race for most of them.

I always have it on in the background but no longer feel like I want to be glued to it.

Any action which may prevent Mercedes running away with a 1-2 tends to happen in the first 15 minutes or so, assuming it gets to the 30 minute mark and they are at the front, its likely going to end that way.

Genuinely starting to find it less interesting.
 
noneforit said:
Any action which may prevent Mercedes running away with a 1-2 tends to happen in the first 15 minutes or so, assuming it gets to the 30 minute mark and they are at the front, its likely going to end that way.

Genuinely starting to find it less interesting.
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Was this not the case with schumacher Ferrari years and seb red bull years
I dont watch F1 solely to see who wins otherwise they might as well just run two cars per race
I would agree the artificial inputs and the fact there are too many races go a long way to remove the excitement of pure racing
But this years racing has probably been as good if not better than many years
The criticism (which has gone strangely quiet ) from bernie and crew about the speed and lack of overtaking, noise etc hasnt helped the races at all. especially as the cut and paste press have made it sound like everyone was hating the new car era
Nobody has stepped into Murries shoes either when it comes to commentating on tv What we have now isnt that hot, although I quite like coulthards take Where has mrs Wolffe gone she was quite good
Trying to make F1 look green and safe dosnt help either
 
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munch said:
Was that from spectators queuing for burgers then? Others on here and on other forums found the race rather boring.
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It was worth watching just for Alonso's banzai moves, there was plenty of overtaking and action behind the top 4 or 5...
 
Glad you enjoyed it.
 
2016 FORMULA 1 GRAN PREMIO DE MÉXICO


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Autódromo Hermanos Rodríguez
Lap data
Lap length 4.304km (2.674 miles)
Race laps 71
Race distance 305.354km (189.738 miles)
Pole position Left-hand side of the track
Maximum speed 345kph (214.373 mph)
DRS zone/s (race) Pit straight and longest straight
Distance from grid to turn one 900m


UK Times
Friday 28th October 2016
Mexican Grand Prix Free Practice 1: 10:00-11:30 (UK time: 16:00-17:30)
Mexican Grand Prix Free Practice 2: 14:00-15:30 (UK time: 20:00-21:30)
Saturday 29th October 2016
Mexican Grand Prix Free Practice 3: 10:00-11:00 (UK time: 16:00-17:00)
Mexican Grand Prix Qualifying: 13:00 (UK time: 19:00)
Sunday 30th October 2016
Mexican Grand Prix: 13:00 (UK time: 19:00)

Previous Winners
2015 Germany Nico Rosberg Mercedes
2014–1993 Not held
1992 United Kingdom Nigel Mansell Williams-Renault
1991 Italy Riccardo Patrese Williams-Renault
1990 France Alain Prost Ferrari
1989 Brazil Ayrton Senna McLaren-Honda
1988 France Alain Prost McLaren-Honda
1987 United Kingdom Nigel Mansell Williams-Honda
1986 Austria Gerhard Berger Benetton-BMW

Videos
Rosberg 2015 onboard
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpTFGtkA_zo


Berger 1991 onboard
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmjJtCYl57Q


Facts From Previous Race

Nico Rosberg can clinch the world championship in Mexico this weekend despite his team mate’s victory in the United States Grand Prix.

Although Lewis Hamilton scored his seventh win of 2016 in Austin he remains 26 points behind Rosberg with 75 available. If Rosberg wins on Sunday and Hamilton fails to finish inside the top nine, Rosberg will be crowned champion.

Whoever wins the championship, the record for taking the most race victories in a season without winning the title will be equalled and probably beaten this year. Three drivers have managed to win seven races in a season without becoming champion: Alain Prost in 1984 and 1988, Kimi Raikkonen in 2005 and Michael Schumacher in 2006.

If Rosberg wins the title Hamilton will at least equal that record, and could break it if he wins any of the remaining races. If Hamilton wins the title Rosberg will definitely break the record, as he’s already won nine times this year.

Hamilton set a new record last weekend by becoming the first driver to have set pole position at 23 different circuits. He took the record from Prost, and the changing composition of the Formula One calendar means there are only nine circuits where both have had pole.

Of the 21 circuits on the calendar today there are just three left where Hamilton has never been on pole. Two of those, Baku and the Autodromo Hermanos Rodriguez, have only held one race during Hamilton’s career. The other track is Suzuka which is something of a bogey circuit for Hamilton in qualifying.

Rosberg joined Hamilton on the front row of the grid for what could have been a record-equalling 24th race in a row. However he lost his front row start in Austria due to a gearbox change penalty. Ayrton Senna started 24 consecutive races from the front row between the 1988 German and 1989 Australian Grands Prix.

Hamilton’s pole position was the 58th of his career, leaving him ten behind Schumacher’s all-time record of 68 and seven behind Senna.

Senna took 162 races to reach 65 poles, a strike rate of 40.1%. That compares to Hamilton’s 58 poles from 185 appearances, a rate of 31.4%. For comparison, Schumacher’s strike rate was 22.1% over the course of his career (68 poles from 308 appearances).

Hamilton also set a new record lap of the Circuit of the Americas, narrowly breaking the 1’35s barrier with a lap of 1’34.999. That was 0.658s quicker than the record set by Sebastian Vettel in qualifying for the first race at the track four years ago.

Vettel continues to hold the race lap record of 1’39.347. He also set the fastest lap on Sunday, coming within half a second of his previous best after a late change to super-soft tyres.

The Ferrari driver set the fastest lap by a whopping margin of 1.964 seconds. That’s the most emphatic fastest lap for more than 20 years, when another German in a Ferrari set a scorching pace. Schumacher’s fastest lap in the 1996 Spanish Grand Prix was 2.218s quicker than anyone else.

But Vettel was powerless to stop Hamilton winning, which made him the third driver in F1 history to reach a half-century of victories. One more will put him level with Prost on 51. He will likely need to beat Prost’s wins record before the end of the year if he is to equal the champion’s tally of four titles.

After that only Schumacher will lie ahead of Hamilton in terms of race wins with his gargantuan tally of 91. However Hamilton did match Schumacher’s record of five wins in the United States Grand Prix. In fact these two drivers have won nine of the last ten F1 races in the USA, half of which were at COTA and the other half at Indianapolis.

Carlos Sainz Jnr came within two laps of finishing in a career-best fifth position, but slipped to sixth when he was passed by Fernando Alonso. He was still elated to equal his previous best where he also finished at home in Spain earlier this year.

Haas also managed to score a point at their first home race, and the first home event for an American F1 team since the previous Haas outfit raced at Detroit in 1986. On that occasion both Alan Jones and Eddie Cheever retired with steering problems.

Romain Grosjean claimed the point for Haas in his 100th grand prix start, which he marked by wearing a special helmet design. His former team mate Kimi Raikkonen also reached 250 race participations, and should make his 250th start at the Brazilian Grand Prix.


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It is a great pity the peraltada has been neutered for F1. Still, looking forward to this one.
 
Just look at what would happen if Nico DNF and Lewis won

Nico 331 points Lewis 330 points

Nico (although he denies he was racing for second in the USA , the man speaketh with forked tongue me thinks) would really have to up his game
 
noneforit said:
People rarely do things for the love, money is almost always the driving factor.
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It was the irony of Bernie commenting on people only doing things for money that made me smile
 
I just tweeted Crofty asking him why, after all this time, he hasn't realised that the "h" in hermanos is silent. I wonder if he'll reply. :D
 
Max being chucked out of the cooldown room must be a first?
 
Dave1 said:
Max being chucked out of the cooldown room must be a first?
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Better escorted out by someone impartial than someone in red haha... boring though, would've been much more exciting if Rosberg had a penalty for the first corner, red bull need to put the effort in to help Hamilton, it's a shame, he would be winning if it wasn't for his last engine blow up, hopefully he can manage it, double points Abu Dhabi anyone?
 
Vettel setting a wonderful example by verbally abusing the race director to the world because he can't have his own way.
 
Should be DQ for that!
 
As said slow burn with a good finish
Dont agree with Eddie better for max to race on than do the decisions of the stewards for them The fact it was flagged as a decision after the race meant it needed looking at and wasnt that clear cut
Hope there isnt any more surprises as in daniel and sebs touching "to be looked at after the race "
Nico very relaxed racing his heart out to second "Lewis was too good today" sniggering to himself Ive got this championship sussed just race for seconds and an odd third if needs be
 
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As they dont relay all messages to the public who let that one about charlie go and for what reason
 
Is Massa retiring at the end of the season Perez's only chance of overtaking him? #AskCrofty

I enjoyed that one

The squabbling between RB and Ferrari doesn't really matter in the grand scheme, in 2 weeks they'll all be friends again
 
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