How to sort the problems out in this section.

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mex said:
Secondly, a shot gets put up that is clearly worthy of praise,but the poster is perhaps a newbie or not in 'the clique' so gets very few (sometimes none) comments or crits,on the otherhand a very average shot gets uploaded by Mr Toenails (as that is all he left hanging out of his @rse) to boost his personal (already) over-inflated ego and that gets a plethora of B.S. comments and praise of something that really should have been deleted.
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Phew !!! and I thought the reason I don't get many comments was purely because I was posting crap images !!!
Is there a clique? How do I join? Is there an Ignore all clique members facility !!!

To be honest the "problems' in this section are pretty much the same as experienced from time to time in any online forum. Things may remain quiet and peaceful for a while and then matters flair up over some small misplaced or intentionally placed inflammatory comment which prompts a rash of new situations. There isn't an all encompassing solution because there will always be a few idiots whose sole intention is to cause conflict and upset. Moderation is the only way to manage the problem and I think that, on the whole the Moderators on TP do a pretty good job.

What I do find amazing is that this particular thread has prompted 10 times more responses than a typical thread in this section !!!
 
BigBudgie said:
What I do find amazing is that this particular thread has prompted 10 times more responses than a typical thread in this section !!!
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a bit like a crash on the opposite side of the motorway, you just can't help looking.
 
Cobra said:
Of course you know we can't win?
We get almost daily reports from members suggesting that we are either too hard
or indeed too soft.
I'm guessing that is in direct relationship to which side of the abuse,
or ban hammer you happen to be siting on, at the time.
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BillN_33 said:
has the section been moderated in an independent, none personalised and unbiased way?
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I think I covered that in a previous post Bill (See my quote above)

BillN_33 said:
I'm relatively new here - lots of issues seem to be being highlighted
are these problems of the past or the "here and now"
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u8myufo said:
Never had them in the past Bill ;)
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Indeed its been growing steadily for about a year.
Reaching a head about six months ago,
hence the "mod message" pinned to the top of the section. HERE
Which has largely been ignored by a few.

When we must step in, we don't ban / suspend people for fun, we have strict guidelines to work to,
and there is always a vote taken in the staff room first.
Just because "X" mod Moderated "you" it doesn't mean that it was their decision.
 
Cobra said:
I think I covered that in a previous post Bill (See my quote above)

hence the "mod message" pinned to the top of the section. HERE
Which has largely been ignored by a few.

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To tell you the truth, the problem I have with the message pinned at the top of the forum is that they are always there, you read them when they first appear and thats it. Maybe a highlight of sorts to show there is something new in there that needs to be read is needed.
 
The problems that arise within a forum (Not just this one)?
Firstly, too many fannies who can't carry a decent, adult conversation and converse in a mature way without spiteful backbiting, bitching, gossiping and bullying......Behaviour you would expect from children, not from fully grown adults.

Behind the scenes it gets incredibly tiresome. We're always the bad guys who have to step in and tell people to stop it. We then get accused of being overbearing, heavy-handed, nazi-like and it gets old, quickly.
Just look at some of the comments that were posted on another site when we banned/suspended a few people recently (I'm sure the timing of the suspensions and the appearance of the comments complaining of over-moderation or whatever it was, was much less of a coincidence than those responsible would have you believe).
Foot-stomping and toy throwing at it's finest.

Secondly we also have some people who literally can't accept any criticism, and only want glowing praise and smoke blown up their arse with every shot.
As an aside to that, we have others who have no people skills and who lack enough of a command of English to offer gentle yet helpful and encouraging criticism, instead reverting to the blunt and harsh comments.
When pulled up on it, they usually too get defensive with responses such as "I'm just telling it as it is" or "I'm only being honest!". Again, old, quickly.

Thirdly, we have others who lack the understanding of how forums might work, and that their posts might annoy other people by their content, tone, or volume. While they have the right to post what they wish, being thoughtful of other forum members doesn't come into it where it should.

And that's what it boils down to. Too many people aren't thinking of their fellow members, that there are other people at the other end.
That, and some of them are big fannies.

Apologies if I failed to offend anyone, if I missed you out just give me a heads-up and I'll find something to offend you with. :)
 
Marcel said:
The problems that arise within a forum (Not just this one)?
Firstly, too many fannies who can't carry a decent, adult conversation and converse in a mature way without spiteful backbiting, bitching, gossiping and bullying......Behaviour you would expect from children, not from fully grown adults.

Behind the scenes it gets incredibly tiresome. We're always the bad guys who have to step in and tell people to stop it. We then get accused of being overbearing, heavy-handed, nazi-like and it gets old, quickly.
Just look at some of the comments that were posted on another site when we banned/suspended a few people recently (I'm sure the timing of the suspensions and the appearance of the comments complaining of over-moderation or whatever it was, was much less of a coincidence than those responsible would have you believe).
Foot-stomping and toy throwing at it's finest.

Secondly we also have some people who literally can't accept any criticism, and only want glowing praise and smoke blown up their arse with every shot.
As an aside to that, we have others who have no people skills and who lack enough of a command of English to offer gentle yet helpful and encouraging criticism, instead reverting to the blunt and harsh comments.
When pulled up on it, they usually too get defensive with responses such as "I'm just telling it as it is" or "I'm only being honest!". Again, old, quickly.

Thirdly, we have others who lack the understanding of how forums might work, and that their posts might annoy other people by their content, tone, or volume. While they have the right to post what they wish, being thoughtful of other forum members doesn't come into it where it should.

And that's what it boils down to. Too many people aren't thinking of their fellow members, that there are other people at the other end.
That, and some of them are big fannies.

Apologies if I failed to offend anyone, if I missed you out just give me a heads-up and I'll find something to offend you with. :)
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I agree with what you say about the child-like behaviour on here. It really must be stopped.

...you said fannies *snigger*
 
Marcel said:
The problems that arise within a forum (Not just this one)?
Firstly, too many fannies who can't carry a decent, adult conversation and converse in a mature way without spiteful backbiting, bitching, gossiping and bullying......Behaviour you would expect from children, not from fully grown adults.

Behind the scenes it gets incredibly tiresome. We're always the bad guys who have to step in and tell people to stop it. We then get accused of being overbearing, heavy-handed, nazi-like and it gets old, quickly.
Just look at some of the comments that were posted on another site when we banned/suspended a few people recently (I'm sure the timing of the suspensions and the appearance of the comments complaining of over-moderation or whatever it was, was much less of a coincidence than those responsible would have you believe).
Foot-stomping and toy throwing at it's finest.

Secondly we also have some people who literally can't accept any criticism, and only want glowing praise and smoke blown up their arse with every shot.
As an aside to that, we have others who have no people skills and who lack enough of a command of English to offer gentle yet helpful and encouraging criticism, instead reverting to the blunt and harsh comments.
When pulled up on it, they usually too get defensive with responses such as "I'm just telling it as it is" or "I'm only being honest!". Again, old, quickly.

Thirdly, we have others who lack the understanding of how forums might work, and that their posts might annoy other people by their content, tone, or volume. While they have the right to post what they wish, being thoughtful of other forum members doesn't come into it where it should.

And that's what it boils down to. Too many people aren't thinking of their fellow members, that there are other people at the other end.
That, and some of them are big fannies.

Apologies if I failed to offend anyone, if I missed you out just give me a heads-up and I'll find something to offend you with. :)
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Personally I'm offended by your inability to offend me ;)

All very true comments, the biggest issue is different people see different things in the same comments and the green team have to find a happy middle ground
 
mex said:
To tell you the truth, the problem I have with the message pinned at the top of the forum is that they are always there, you read them when they first appear and thats it. Maybe a highlight of sorts to show there is something new in there that needs to be read is needed.
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They are like any other post, / thread. if there are un-read comments in there, they turn "bold". :)
But reading them (if only once) and taking note, is all we ask (y)
 
as most have indicated - just use the "ignore" button if you either think that guy has nothing to say that you want to hear or for any other reason you personally choose ……… it's just a a pity that you still have to see the Avatar of the person you want to ignore.
 
BillN_33 said:
as most have indicated - just use the "ignore" button if you either think that guy has nothing to say that you want to hear or for any other reason you personally choose ……… it's just a a pity that you still have to see the Avatar of the person you want to ignore.
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You don't, you don't even see them when they're quoted, the new ignore at least away from the app which I really don't like is actually a fantastic feature as besides a very discrete message about ignore content most of the times there no indication at all of the annoying presence
 
MWHCVT said:
You don't, you don't even see them when they're quoted, the new ignore at least away from the app which I really don't like is actually a fantastic feature as besides a very discrete message about ignore content most of the times there no indication at all of the annoying presence
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That answered that then :)
 
Marcel said:
The problems that arise within a forum (Not just this one)?
Firstly, too many fannies who can't carry a decent, adult conversation and converse in a mature way without spiteful backbiting, bitching, gossiping and bullying......Behaviour you would expect from children, not from fully grown adults.

Behind the scenes it gets incredibly tiresome. We're always the bad guys who have to step in and tell people to stop it. We then get accused of being overbearing, heavy-handed, nazi-like and it gets old, quickly.
Just look at some of the comments that were posted on another site when we banned/suspended a few people recently (I'm sure the timing of the suspensions and the appearance of the comments complaining of over-moderation or whatever it was, was much less of a coincidence than those responsible would have you believe).
Foot-stomping and toy throwing at it's finest.

Secondly we also have some people who literally can't accept any criticism, and only want glowing praise and smoke blown up their arse with every shot.
As an aside to that, we have others who have no people skills and who lack enough of a command of English to offer gentle yet helpful and encouraging criticism, instead reverting to the blunt and harsh comments.
When pulled up on it, they usually too get defensive with responses such as "I'm just telling it as it is" or "I'm only being honest!". Again, old, quickly.

Thirdly, we have others who lack the understanding of how forums might work, and that their posts might annoy other people by their content, tone, or volume. While they have the right to post what they wish, being thoughtful of other forum members doesn't come into it where it should.

And that's what it boils down to. Too many people aren't thinking of their fellow members, that there are other people at the other end.
That, and some of them are big fannies.

Apologies if I failed to offend anyone, if I missed you out just give me a heads-up and I'll find something to offend you with. :)
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Well that has Brash covered, what about me Marcel? :D The only thing I would disagree on is where you say problems that arise in any forum. I belong to another forum which is not photography related <insert your comment here> On average I would say the replies in a thread are about 15-20, and that is just in the new member introduction section. When it comes to offering advise and helping others the norm would be 30+ replies. The only time I see any decent amount of replies like that in here is when the OP answers and thanks everyone individually in his thread,again just to push the post count up and boost the ego. Having a thread go off the first page with one or two replies was never seen. If it did happen it would not take long to get picked up on though, as everybody had a bit of time for everybody else, something rarely seen in here on that scale. I must post my next image up!! I must post my next image up! Not got time to reply to anyone else!! I must post my next image up!! Who cares if it don`t look right? I must post my next image up!! Have I come over with a childish attitude Marcel? Maybe, but it`s all true ;) Ideally it would be good if everyone concerned could study what you have written and accept that they are in some small way part of the problem, I for one have been for a while, at the same time all those concerned should have the balls to amend their ways, and imo that includes the member who most of this revolves around. apologies if that offends but it had to be said.
 
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u8myufo said:
Well that has Brash covered, what about me Marcel? :D The only thing I would disagree on is where you say problems that arise in any forum. I belong to another forum which is not photography related <insert your comment here> On average I would say the replies in a thread are about 15-20, and that is just in the new member introduction section. When it comes to offering advise and helping others the norm would be 30+ replies. The only time I see any decent amount of replies like that in here is when the OP answers and thanks everyone individually in his thread,again just to push the post count up and boost the ego. Having a thread go off the first page with one or two replies was never seen. If it did happen it would not take long to get picked up on though, as everybody had a bit of time for everybody else, something rarely seen in here on that scale. I must post my next image up!! I must post my next image up! Not got time to reply to anyone else!! I must post my next image up!! Who cares if it don`t look right? I must post my next image up!! Have I come over with a childish attitude Marcel? Maybe, but it`s all true ;) Ideally it would be good if everyone concerned could study what you have written and accept that they are in some small way part of the problem, I for one have been for a while, at the same time all those concerned should have the balls to amend their ways, and imo that includes the member who most of this revolves around. apologies if that offends but it had to be said.
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And that is about the best thing you have said yet Rich - everyone that has been part of the problem, from all sides of the various hides, need to hold their hands up, admit they are partly to blame and start having a bit of consideration for everyone else, especially those that haven't been part of the problem. I can't help but think there are enough keen people in this section to make it busy and vibrant again if a few people just took it upon themselves to be the 'hero's' [sorry, best word I can think of right now, I hope you all get what I mean - NO BRASH, that does NOT mean you can wear your undies outside your troosers!]
 
Yv said:
NO BRASH, that does NOT mean you can wear your undies outside your troosers!]
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Rumour has it that he goes commando anyway.
 
u8myufo said:
Well that has Brash covered, what about me Marcel? :D The only thing I would disagree on is where you say problems that arise in any forum. I belong to another forum which is not photography related <insert your comment here> On average I would say the replies in a thread are about 15-20, and that is just in the new member introduction section. When it comes to offering advise and helping others the norm would be 30+ replies. The only time I see any decent amount of replies like that in here is when the OP answers and thanks everyone individually in his thread,again just to push the post count up and boost the ego. Having a thread go off the first page with one or two replies was never seen. If it did happen it would not take long to get picked up on though, as everybody had a bit of time for everybody else, something rarely seen in here on that scale. I must post my next image up!! I must post my next image up! Not got time to reply to anyone else!! I must post my next image up!! Who cares if it don`t look right? I must post my next image up!! Have I come over with a childish attitude Marcel? Maybe, but it`s all true ;) Ideally it would be good if everyone concerned could study what you have written and accept that they are in some small way part of the problem, I for one have been for a while, at the same time all those concerned should have the balls to amend their ways, and imo that includes the member who most of this revolves around. apologies if that offends but it had to be said.
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nails, hitting and heads spring to mind.
 
What is posted in the Bird Forum seems to annoy a few individuals who feel that they and only they have the right to control "the patch" …….. a bit like some of the species we are all fond of photographing.

In fact there are a few members who seem to take on a semi "Mod" role

For this day forth, I'll just look at the pictures and ignore the words as they are only for a few

I've put my Field Guide" - sorry Guides, away - and won't give any info in that direction

I will have all my images reviewed by a specialist, to make sure that they are up to standard, before I post, so as not to offend some the "experts" on the forum - that means 1 or 2 images a month may qualify if I am lucky

I'll submit my proposed threads to the Mods to get approval before I post just in case they are not appropriate to put in front of some of the members because they may cause them to go into forum "rage"

I'll stop commenting on any image in any way as it offends some of the "experts" who feel that they are the only ones qualified to critique.

I have and will use the ignore button …….. it's so liberating …………. maybe I should ignore myself

and of course "no Robins"

the whole situation is quite ironic ………… will this ever end?
 
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I have a very simple way of dealing with things on here with threads and posts

1 If I put up a thread and some one comments I will reply courteously if I don't know them, If I do know them a bit of banter may be indulged in.;)
2 If someone comments on my thread I will try and comment on theirs.
3 I will try and give pointers occasionally again with out causing offence
4 Trolls I ignore :beer:it eats into drinking time
5 I won't take sides if people want to argue that's up to them 'life's to short' :LOL:
6 I come on here for a laugh and to enjoy peoples images but I must admit I don't enjoy it as much as I use to :( That said there still a few left on here I enjoy having a chat with.
7 The only people I feel sorry for is the Mods when things kick off they try their best to run a good forum and give people the benefit of the doubt in my opinion they bend over backwards far to much. :naughty:Anyway that's my sucking up done should by me a few brownie points for my next offence.:exit:
Regards
Richard
 
Lets be honest many who post on here are not posting for critique at all but posting to show off the shots they have taken, and I suppose many shots are good enough to be beyond fair critique in some ways. And lets face it some don't take any kind of critique well, I remember about a year ago when a new face critiqued a pic from a very good bird photographer on here and it was taken very badly, the person in question bided their time and ripped the guys new shots to pieces, he disappeared from the forum.
Would it be better if there was a separate section purely for showing shots.
I believe the mods do a good job generally quashing things before they get out of hand.
There is one person who uses this forum and who has not posted in this thread but has form for stirring up trouble, and who has been booted off other forums (not photography), they were not moderated very well, had they been the person in question would have been prevented from belittling, offensive & upsetting comments made to more than one person.
 
Teecee said:
Would it be better if there was a separate section purely for showing shots.
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I think mandatory use of the critique prefix tag if you want critique is the answer to that - we could also have a "no crit" prefix tag for those that only want smoke blown up their fundament. (this is an issue not just limited to the bird forum - 'people & portraits' especially weddings suffers from it really badly too)

Personally I like taking pictures of birds , so I read this board a lot - I rarely post any pictures for critique because I'm wary of all the b*****ks that goes on - which is a shame and very counter to the supposed ethos of the forum
 
And there already is a section to post photos if you don't want critique, it's called photos for pleasure, frankly for as long as I'm a member here I'll offer critique on any photos posted in a critique sections, prefix or no prefix...
 
I visit this section a lot. I like to look at what people are photographing. I don't care if it's the rarest or most common species. If it's photographed well I enjoy looking at it. I don't post images any more because I realised that the "that's a great shot" comment was just an ego boost for me and didn't really help further my photography. I have had some objective critique on here that has in some instances made me change the way I look at that particular image but not many.
There was a time a few months ago when it seemed that some posters had some issues with others but it seems to have mellowed a bit recently.
It would be nice if this thread had never seen the light of day. Chances of it addressing the issue completely are probably slim.
 
fracster said:
13999 or so have been utter claptrap, in fairness.
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Split between conversing with you and Scrivens, you left me no other choice other than talk claptrap. Would make for another good section in here though :D
 
I have sadly just spent 5 minutes trying to find u8myufo's first ever post on TP but as you have to go back in time page by page of posts it would probably take about 3 solid days to get there and I would rather watch grass grow !!!
Maybe one of the Mods has a quicker way of locating it ?
Would be interesting to see if it is a "great shot" type post or whether u8myufo issued a warning that it was going to be the first of 14k odd posts over the next 5 years and that any sensible TP'ers should exercise their ignore option !!!
 
It said " Hi I'm Rich and I like blackbirds, great tits, and shags" , to which marcel replied " oi , this isn't effing udate " :LOL:
 
Gaz J said:
It would be nice if this thread had never seen the light of day. Chances of it addressing the issue completely are probably slim.
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It would be precisely that though Gaz which causes these issues in the first place. Just like a relationship, one of you is a bit snappy and the other is thinking WTF. There is obviously something playing on his/her mind, so unless you bring it to the table and discuss it then it will escalate and start eating away at you. I would like to think this thread has been a healthy one so far with people letting their true feelings be known. Like you I enjoy looking at peoples shots, what I do not like is any b******t that goes with it, it is not needed in here or any other place if you ask me. As has been mentioned before on this forum, we are all individuals, we are all different with our humour and we are all different when we put things across to others. When somebody replies to a thread giving his/her opinion or C&C the problem arises when imho the OP does not take time to just pause for thought before responding. Chances are what that person has written is pretty constructive in it`s own right, the way it was put may not be the best, but hey none of us are perfect.
 
My saffer mates reckon you can make it in the warming oven on the bottom of a rayburn... ive not tried that myself, but its probably less hassle than building a box with a light bulb so I might give it a go
 
big soft moose said:
My saffer mates reckon you can make it in the warming oven on the bottom of a rayburn... ive not tried that myself, but its probably less hassle than building a box with a light bulb so I might give it a go
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Multitasking obviously isn't one of Pete's strong points !!!
 
ah buggery :eek: - that's a first, not only wrong thread, but wrong forum... over on barry boys we are discussing the multitudinous joys of biltong - that will teach me to have two blue on white themed forums open in adjacent windows... as you were :)
 
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