And look how quickly other areas/authorities are jumping in to say that their high rise blocks were not using the same stuff as was used on Grenfell Tower
Of course, as well as anyone who cooks in their home, as that is the number one cause of accidental dwelling fires.Now all residents of Hotpoint fridges have been evacuated overnight over safety concerns.
There have been thousands of fires caused by "White goods" over the years, yes it may turn out that the initial fire was started by a faulty appliance, but, that is not the big issue here. Clearly the issue is why did it spread in such an uncontrollable manner.
There are many serious issues which need addressing here, let's hope that these are dealt with quickly, though it is a tragedy that it has taken this needless loss of life to trigger some action. This is not something that should be expected in a country like this.
There is no need to wait for the outcome of a PI before preventative measures can be put in place, in fact many already are being. The problem is that regulations need to change, and like it or not that takes time. The currents regulations can be applied in a way to prevent a reoccurrence of this however, and no doubt cost will not be the number one priority for a while at least. As with most things, cost is the driver, if you pay top dollar with public money you are accused of wasting money, when people die there is an outrage. As with most things there is a middle ground solution.A Public Inquiry has been commissioned. The history of PI's is one of taking forever with mammoth costs and put on a shelf to gather dust. Whereas an Inquiry conducted by an independent panel (such as the recent re-inquiry into Hillsborough) is very much quicker and less costly AND also lawyer free !
At least one tower block in Germany has been evacuated. As it is clad in a similar material to Grenfell Tower.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40420954
Yes. I was tempted to write something like that.I'm sure it's the fault of those evil Tories and especially president May.
Thought I'd read that this particular cladding is banned in Germany.At least one tower block in Germany has been evacuated. As it is clad in a similar material to Grenfell Tower.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40420954
I guess if a big fire does occur, and you are the one that decided they should stay there, any deaths are down to you. If it has been shown to you, that there is a serious risk and regulations were not followed. Prison probably.Thought I'd read that this particular cladding is banned in Germany.
I still think evacuation is a knee jerk reaction.
I guess if a big fire does occur, and you are the one that decided they should stay there, any deaths are down to you. If it has been shown to you, that there is a serious risk and regulations were not followed. Prison probably.
But you could ask them to leave and warn them of the danger. And if they stay, you are off the hook.
TBH I think Ruth @viv1969 has a point.This is just about the danger. Until it is removed. Not about the inconvenience.
I never wrote that. But whatever.TBH I think Ruth @viv1969 has a point.
I haven't seen any mass evacuations as yet, on your stance they are all in immediate and present danger, until every single person has been evacuated and re housed.
I wonder exactly how many people that is? And clearly its going to be a logistical nightmare.
Much better to get on rectifying the problem now, than bugger about trying to find god knows how many vacant properties to house them all.
Then explain your stance.I never wrote that. But whatever.
Never wrote what?I never wrote that. But whatever.
That /\ ?This is just about the danger. Until it is removed. Not about the inconvenience.
I'll repeat, what I wrote, that I think the people who made the decision were probably worried about safety reasons rather than inconvenience reasons.
Always a possibility.Or maybe they are just stupid.
Be interesting to know why fire doors were missing, were they nicked or just not put in?I think the reason given for evacuating the building, was because of missing internal fire doors, not just the cladding, amongst other things.
On our local news tonight, there was a refurbished tower which passed fire regs less than a year ago, but today it failed the same tests?
Indeed. Why wouldn't you? It's hard to see how the council are at fault for wanting to save money, if the bit about the fire ratings is correct.Also the story that the cladding was changed for a cheaper version, saving £300,000
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40453054
hidden in that story is: Despite their differences, both types of cladding have the same official fire rating.
So why wouldn't you fit something you're told has the same fire rating but is £300K cheaper?
Indeed. Why wouldn't you? It's hard to see how the council are at fault for wanting to save money, if the bit about the fire ratings is correct.
It could if there weren't more and more buildings being found to have the same cladding.Of course, but this can be spun to look like 'evil people consider 100 lives aren't worth £300K'.
wasnt it a labour council that voted against sprinklers etc?