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  1. ryanyboy

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    I looked long and hard at the 105 too. This review was enough to put me off:-


    View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=66DGMwf-diY


    I'd hate to put you off but you should at least take this into account.
     
  2. wezza13

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    I flicked to the middle of the video and all I heard him saying was "idiots" and "morons" a few times. Strange, that's what I thought of him!
     
  3. ryanyboy

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    He's an acquired taste, but I respect his views very much.
     
  4. wezza13

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    It looks like a lot of people agree with them - 104k subscribers! I will try and sit through one of his vids, if I can! :D
     
  5. Livin The Dream

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    Hmmm, he's not my cuppa either. I've been following some real world owners for a while and looks superb, but thanks for the heads up.
     
  6. chrism_scotland

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    Spent some time this evening calibrating my Sigma 35mm with the USB Dock, hard to tell if its really made any difference overall but seems sharper with short range shots, need to try it outside now! Always found in the past that these lenses seemed to have issues at distance, hopefully can manually sort that with the dock!
     
  7. rampanthamster

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    ah man, so true...GAS setting in big time with me. Looking for justification / things to sell on etc. I don't want to sell my d810 (which would fund a fair chunk of this)...i just want to add one to my collection. Need...to...be...responsible :(
     
  8. simonbarker

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    Nor mine but I do like that he's taken a very clear position on a review, although the downside is when you do that and you're wrong you end up being really really wrong.
     
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  9. chambeshi

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    google him wrt 'angry photographer fraud' and see expose. He's banned from Nikon Rumours for trolling and sifting out new info that he swiftly reports as his own inside links etc. A recent video of a supposed leak of the D850 from Nikon Italy was merely a facile attempt to try and cover up broadcasting a NR press leak as his own. Some of his advice on classic Nikkor glass is indeed correct, but merely he parrots what many of us from that era already knew - eg 180 2.8, the 105 prime family (AI and AIS), micro-nikkors etc. And this includes the classic MF primes by Voigtlander and Zeiss.

    And this lore is not only widely reported across the www, but was superbly summarized by Simon Stafford - cf The New Nikon Compendium. Lark Books, New York. Although last updated in 2004 and in dire need of revision, I rely on this book for all manner of int.

    For more gleaning the nuggets of current info in all the puerile advertising, clickbait and snake oil of the Wilderness that is the Wild West (types digital) I have came to rely on the following sources. As a scientist, one gets used to be alert to snifff out that nanomole of BS, and much of the aforementioned rubbish sure reeks.

    Central source = NikonGear for freely shared experience. It is amassed by doyens of Nikon and other glass and cameras; Start here - http://www.naturfotograf.com/lens_surv.html#rating
    The current threads active wrt the D850 speak volumes.

    Thom Hogan especially ;
    http://www.bythom.com/rationallenses.htm

    Ming Thein's Blog (yes he now works for Hasselblad - all the better IMHO)
    https://blog.mingthein.com/reviews/

    this German site:
    http://www.photozone.de/all-tests

    equally Photography Life https://photographylife.com/lenses/brand/nikon

    for Wildlife and exotic telephotos etc there are some really good practical testers on the www. Notably http://www.naturalart.ca/voice/blog.html#anchor_blog_archive

    Brad Hill is testing the D850 in the Canadian backwoods.

    Equally Steve Perry - I realised he's spot on with advice on configuring the D500, especially the AF for BIF etc. His 2 books are really well worth getting

    https://backcountrygallery.com/

    Be interesting to read the reportback from both these blogs as to the real-world performance of the D850

    kind regards
     
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  10. foggy4ever

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    Wife says I can have one for my 50th, just enough time to add a lens or 2.
     
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  11. Flashman

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    Mine arrived last Friday... Mrs Flashman got to it first and said 'Ooooh... you can have that for your birthday on Tuesday', then she promptly hid it! So I have to wait 'till tomorrow for my D850 as a ''present' that I bought for myself from my own business account. :rolleyes:
     
  12. PaulButler

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    Seriously? (had to check it wasn't April 1 ;) ) he is worse than Ren Kockwell ...
     
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  13. foggy4ever

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    Torture :LOL:
     
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  14. mike weeks

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    Have you actually used the 105? I have and it is superb and that is the same pratt who said you could call him a pratt if the D850 did not have an EVF which is doe not

    Mike
     
  15. ryanyboy

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    No, I cancelled my order after watching the review I posted above. Glad to hear you're happy with yours though.
     
  16. Flashman

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    I love mine too. I can't watch that 'angry photographer' idiot after the rubbish he spouted about the D5 but whatever he's said about the 105 I'd take it with a huge pinch of salt. With more salt sprinkled on top.
     
  17. mike weeks

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    Yep, there are the measurebators and then there are users, and then there are those that are click bait youtube generators, personally I think he is 2 of these

    Mike
     
  18. arclight

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    Yes, the parts of his limbs that are on show tell a story.
     
  19. ryanyboy

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    And that story is...?
     
  20. TLR-330

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    Loves himself?
     
  21. wezza13

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    I always listen to what Steve Perry (bought both of his books when they launched) and Nasim from Photographylife have to say.

    Will take a look at the others (y)
     
  22. sk66

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    I would guess that about 85% of the time there will be no increase in sharpness/detail over a D800e/810... maybe even over a D5/750. Probably make that 99.9% of the time if handheld; but there won't be any *decrease* either. IMO the real reasons to get a D850 are all of the other changes, if they are relevant for you.
     
  23. Jase

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    I was never going to buy a D850 purely for the extra MP, it was the other features that I wanted it for. The extra MP and the fact it works so well is an added bonus!! if you are referring to smaller images then yeah your right, but having the extra MP is very handy if needed.
     
  24. ryanyboy

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    So having tattoos means he loves himself.

    Muppet!
     
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  25. sk66

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    No, I'm referring to w/in the image overall. It's just like when you "combine pixels" when displaying an image smaller (same size as lower resolution sensor) the extra detail/resolution is lost (more pixels displayed as a single pixel). When a detail covers more pixels on the sensor, then more pixels are used to record/display it (i.e. a single point/pixel) and the extra resolution is lost. Things like lens resolution, aperture setting, atmosphere, camera shake, subject motion, etc all affect how many pixels a detail covers on the sensor.
     
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  26. TLR-330

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    No, he is a peacock although he might be a muppet too, you would know.
     
  27. ryanyboy

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    You're the muppet for implying people with tattoos love themselves. I would imagine a good proportion of the TP membership would like to discuss this further with you and the other idiot who suggested having tattoos was somehow a bad thing.
     
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  28. sk66

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    I should note that having the larger files does impress clients... even if it's actually irrelevant to IQ.
     
  29. jonneymendoza

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    Needs to go out and shoot more
     
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  30. Jim_Tod

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    I think i agree. I've got a d810 which i love for landscape/ street/ astro

    Using it for bif or rugby is frustrating with limited fps and i got a d500 for a birding photo week and use it for my rugby. 10 fps and decent af great

    When the d850 was announced, i could see them both being traded for a pair of 850's, a grip and some expensive batteries and chargers. D5 af, 9 fps, 45mp, good low light. I could probably give up GAS on camera bodies for that.

    No need to change currently, no big birthdays looming but not sure how much more bodies could move towards do it all than this. Might find out in 2-3 years- probably have a pair of 850's by then
     
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  31. Jase

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    Best wildlife camera ever....



    I've not tried it for wildlife yet, that will be a job for the weekend :)
     
  32. jerry12953

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    Dr

    Drool......Adds it to wish list .....
     
  33. gramps

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    I will need to see a lot more images from 'real' users before I come to a decision on this one ... particularly low-light images, ones I've seen so far don't impress me for wildlife in the UK, files look nearer to the D500 than D810 but time will tell.
     
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    Only thing with this is that he was falling into the trap of shooting a bird, small in the frame, then zooming/cropping in on it. Which meant we're not seeing the full use of all those pixels!
     
  35. Jase

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    Do you mean low light high ISO and if so what sort of ISO do you want to see?

    Also what do you mean by nearer D500 than D810?

    I actually think his reviews are generally pretty good normally, he uses a wise range of equipment and is normal pretty fair.
     
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  36. wezza13

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    Anybody using a D850 for sports?
     
  37. Mike.P

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    I tried one for tennis but kept missing the ball.
     
  38. GreenNinja67

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    You certainly can't curl them into the top corner
     
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    Silly question called for silly answers I guess! :D
     
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    I've seen from ISO 100 to 12,800 and whilst some look 'okay' IQ-wise when compared to a D810 many don't compare well ... by "nearer D500" I mean that they have a 'dusty' appearance from noise (many D500 users will know what I mean), I expected much better from a flagship FX body.
    As I say though it is early days and there will be a lot more to see AND I am thinking of my type of photography i.e. detail in fur & feather.
     

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