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1st failure report on another forum ... XQD card won't slide completely into card socket.
OMG the end of the world in nigh
1st failure report on another forum ... XQD card won't slide completely into card socket.
I think it's processor RAM... which I think is also related to buffer capacity. Now that AF is separated from main processing it may have separate RAM, but the idea is the same... basically, just a little better spec'd computer inside.As per my comment to you on FB it's no surprise. There's more than the module and processor that affects AF performance. The D5 might have stronger motors.
User error unitl proven otherwise1st failure report on another forum ... XQD card won't slide completely into card socket.
Don't think so, experienced user.User error unitl proven otherwise
I was kiddingDon't think so, experienced user.
Well did you watch Matt granger video about the af? It was poor. He only got like half his shots in focus on outdoor light...I have to admit I'm still struggling a little with my D850, very inconsistent AF accuracy even after fine-tuning on several lenses now, no issues with LiveView (as I would expect) but AF via the OVF just seems to be inconsistent, thinking about getting it into Nikon to be honest, I suppose someone has to get a lemon!
Well did you watch Matt granger video about the af? It was poor. He only got like half his shots in focus on outdoor light...
If you think you've got a lemon send it back to the retailer for a replacement. I faffed back and forth with my first D750 and it was never right.I have to admit I'm still struggling a little with my D850, very inconsistent AF accuracy even after fine-tuning on several lenses now, no issues with LiveView (as I would expect) but AF via the OVF just seems to be inconsistent, thinking about getting it into Nikon to be honest, I suppose someone has to get a lemon!
This is one of the things Thom Hogan writes about: he complains that Nikon keep "moving the cheese", i.e. moving controls around for no obvious good reason. His view is that continuity and consistency would be better than a never-ending quest for supposed optimality, but I guess that's more of an issue for people like him who run multiple cameras than it is for most people.
I haven't, will take a look!
I doubt they've fixed the auto AFMA... did you use that?I have to admit I'm still struggling a little with my D850, very inconsistent AF accuracy even after fine-tuning on several lenses now, no issues with LiveView (as I would expect) but AF via the OVF just seems to be inconsistent, thinking about getting it into Nikon to be honest, I suppose someone has to get a lemon!
I can't say for certain w/ the D5/500/850, but I've never seen a lower spec'd camera with less RAM/smaller buffer to be quite the match even if everything else is supposedly the same.Don't waste your time, it has nothing to do with your issue. Also the MG video is NOT saying it is poor, just not as good as the D5 with 3D tracking, however there are plenty of videos out there showing the AF being spot on the TheCameraStoreTV being just one.
If you think you've got a lemon send it back to the retailer for a replacement. I faffed back and forth with my first D750 and it was never right.
The video @jonneymendoza is referring to was using the 3D tracking. It's been a bit blown out of proportion tbh as he's comparing it to the D5 which is the only camera I've seen work reliably with the 3D tracking. I'm sure using single point AF-C will yield much better results.
The point of the video was to show that AF isn't as good as the D5, much as he did with the D500, and you don't hear any complaints about the D500's AF. It's hardly surprising that these two cameras don't have the same tracking AF capability as the flagship sports camera. Also, in the video he's not using the grip and I would have thought using the more powerful EL-18a battery could make a difference, plus we don't know if AF fine tune had been done.
As usual Jonney's seen one review and made his mind up It'll be interesting to see the D850 pitched against the D500, D750 and 5D4, it's only then that we'll start getting a better understanding of how good it is. If I was a betting man I'd guess it'll be better than all three (maybe on par with the D500), although the higher res will show up any slight miss more. Of course, time will tell if I'm right or not
I doubt they've fixed the auto AFMA... did you use that?
At 1:1 the D850 is going to be even more demanding on technique... it could easily be too slow of a SS rather than an AF error. Additionally, at 1:1 on screen the D850 will have even shallower DOF than any previous Nikon.
Yeah I've been in touch with WEX but its a long wait for a replacement, tempted just to return it and take my chances waiting as it just doesn't feel "right" as you say if its not right its probably never going to be.
I didn't use Auto AF adjust, couldn't get it to work! I do hear what your saying about technique and I have considered that but even on a tripod I'm not getting great results.
This drives me nuts, the minor changes between my D810 and D500. I wish they would just stick with a placement for a few iterations, or failing that allow much more customisation so at least I can set up two cameras to behave in the same way. As it is I have to consciously think about which body I am using as I change the settings...
I wanna see it against the a99 mk2.If you think you've got a lemon send it back to the retailer for a replacement. I faffed back and forth with my first D750 and it was never right.
The video @jonneymendoza is referring to was using the 3D tracking. It's been a bit blown out of proportion tbh as he's comparing it to the D5 which is the only camera I've seen work reliably with the 3D tracking. I'm sure using single point AF-C will yield much better results.
The point of the video was to show that AF isn't as good as the D5, much as he did with the D500, and you don't hear any complaints about the D500's AF. It's hardly surprising that these two cameras don't have the same tracking AF capability as the flagship sports camera. Also, in the video he's not using the grip and I would have thought using the more powerful EL-18a battery could make a difference, plus we don't know if AF fine tune had been done.
As usual Jonney's seen one review and made his mind up [emoji14] It'll be interesting to see the D850 pitched against the D500, D750 and 5D4, it's only then that we'll start getting a better understanding of how good it is. If I was a betting man I'd guess it'll be better than all three (maybe on par with the D500), although the higher res will show up any slight miss more. Of course, time will tell if I'm right or not
Chris,
Sorry to hear your having issues, I’d be inclined to send it back for a full refund as it’s too bigger risk sending back and forth for repairs which may never totally resolve the issue.
I know your probably gutted but it’s no small amount of money.
You could always get a Sony A9 lol
That's interesting, why wold DOF be shallower on the D850, resolution doesn't affect DOF so what else is coming into play?I doubt they've fixed the auto AFMA... did you use that?
At 1:1 the D850 is going to be even more demanding on technique... it could easily be too slow of a SS rather than an AF error. Additionally, at 1:1 on screen the D850 will have even shallower DOF than any previous Nikon.
Again, one example Jonney. I'm sure there's others that will show a much higher hit rate. When considering a camera you need to build up a general picture, I repeat you cannot base your opinion based on one review or one youtube video. Every other review so far raves about how good the AF is on the D850, why are you insisting on only focussing on this one? Now I don't know whether 3D tracking is good on the D850 or not. Doesn't look marvellous on that video granted, in fact it doesn't look great, but I'd need to see/read more reviews on this to know for sure. There's too may variables. Has he got the best setting for the D850? Has he fine tuned the lens on the D850, etc etc. If you listen to his final comments he does go on to say how good the AF is, it's just not as good as the D5, which I repeat is to be expected.I wanna see it against the a99 mk2.
Also my 5d4 does not miss 50 percent of shots using similar 3d af ie having all the focus points enabled for tracking.
Yeah I think thats what I''m going to do if I'm honest, haha don't need an A9!!
That's what I did with my a9. Sent it back and got a brand new one for replacement. No fussYeah I think thats what I''m going to do if I'm honest, haha don't need an A9!!
Maybe it needs ibis to help get sharper images? Again the a7r2 tracks ever so slightly better with similar af setting. But that gets slatedThat's interesting, why wold DOF be shallower on the D850, resolution doesn't affect DOF so what else is coming into play?
Again, one example Jonney. I'm sure there's others that will show a much higher hit rate. When considering a camera you need to build up a general picture, I repeat you cannot base your opinion based on one review or one youtube video. Every other review so far raves about how good the AF is on the D850, why are you insisting on only focussing on this one? Now I don't know whether 3D tracking is good on the D850 or not. Doesn't look marvellous on that video granted, in fact it doesn't look great, but I'd need to see/read more reviews on this to know for sure. There's too may variables. Has he got the best setting for the D850? Has he fine tuned the lens on the D850, etc etc. If you listen to his final comments he does go on to say how good the AF is, it's just not as good as the D5, which I repeat is to be expected.
But as I've already said, 3D tracking isn't the best tracking mode for a number of things, and I wouldn't personally use it for this application. I have 3D tracking on my D750 but do I use it? Nope, I get much better results with single point AF-C. You have to spend time with cameras to get to know them, how to get the sharpest shots and what the best AF settings are for a given situation. Just because you can use one setting on one camera that does not automatically translate that it will work just as well on every camera. And finally, as already mentioned the high resolution will exaggerate any hint of slight missed focus. There's a chance that if the D5 was 45.7mp it might highlight that not every shot was tack sharp either.
I'll leave it at that, I've said enough on the issue
Maybe it needs ibis to help get sharper images? Again the a7r2 tracks ever so slightly better with similar af setting. But that gets slated
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Display size/relative distance affects DOF (acceptable sharpness), it's actually the primary factor. That's why I specified at 1:1... i.e. evaluating on the computer at the same magnification ratio.That's interesting, why wold DOF be shallower on the D850, resolution doesn't affect DOF so what else is coming into play?
Hmmm, interesting. I can't quite get my noodle around that so will have to try it to see. The way my brain works is that if a shot has 1 foot DOF then it will still be 1 foot not matter how much you zoom inDisplay size/relative distance affects DOF (acceptable sharpness), it's actually the primary factor. That's why I specified at 1:1... i.e. evaluating on the computer at the same magnification ratio.
I'm sure you've seen it w/o realizing it. Try this... take an image with questionable sharpness and display it smaller on your screen... it will appear sharper. Then make it larger and it will become less sharp. Then move away from the computer so that it is again smaller and it will again be sharper... that's how DOF works.Hmmm, interesting. I can't quite get my noodle around that so will have to try it to see. The way my brain works is that if a shot has 1 foot DOF then it will still be 1 foot not matter how much you zoom in
I'm sure you've seen it w/o realizing it. Try this... take an image with questionable sharpness and display it smaller on your screen... it will appear sharper. Then make it larger and it will become less sharp. Then move away from the computer so that it is again smaller and it will again be sharper... that's how DOF works.
The DOF calculators and standard COC factors assume an image of X size will be viewed from Y distance (the image diagonal)... if that's not the case, a different COC needs to be used or the results will be wrong. There is only one point that is actually "in focus" and DOF is not a fixed quality.
Hmmm, interesting. I can't quite get my noodle around that so will have to try it to see. The way my brain works is that if a shot has 1 foot DOF then it will still be 1 foot not matter how much you zoom in
Unless you can control the image size and viewing distance DOF calculators are about useless (other than determining HFD if you need that). And let's face it, a lot of pictures we take don't have a known/determined output/usage... so at best all you can do is ballpark it.Excellent, and I think this is something that people often forget.
There are those who say that DoF doesn't exist until the picture is displayed and I see the point but I like to start at the end product and work back from that. Deciding what image size / cropping you want and deciding how the image will be viewed and accepting that this will affect how it is perceived should enable you to decide what kit and settings you need... Need a postage stamp sized picture with shallow DoF... You're going to need a wide aperture Need a large picture with deep DoF... etc...
I don't see what sharpness has to do with DOF. DOF is the amount of an image that is in focus in relation to the size of the hole in the lens and the distance of the lens from the focal plane! Is this another Tony Northrup theory?I'm sure you've seen it w/o realizing it. Try this... take an image with questionable sharpness and display it smaller on your screen... it will appear sharper. Then make it larger and it will become less sharp. Then move away from the computer so that it is again smaller and it will again be sharper... that's how DOF works.
The DOF calculators and standard COC factors assume an image of X size will be viewed from Y distance (the image diagonal)... if that's not the case, a different COC needs to be used or the results will be wrong. There is only one point that is actually "in focus" and DOF is not a fixed quality.
This drives me nuts, the minor changes between my D810 and D500. I wish they would just stick with a placement for a few iterations, or failing that allow much more customisation so at least I can set up two cameras to behave in the same way. As it is I have to consciously think about which body I am using as I change the settings...
I don't see what sharpness has to do with DOF. DOF is the amount of an image that is in focus in relation to the size of the hole in the lens and the distance of the lens from the focal plane! Is this another Tony Northrup theory?
O dear.Well, I'm out - wasn't happy with the inconsistent results with different lenses and AF adjustment so its gone back, picked up another (used) A7rii for now, will do me for my trip away next month!