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Except that this time the Students need to organise and push the agenda. There are many 17 & 18 year olds just becoming eligible to vote in the mid terms. Find out who takes money from the NRA, who supports the gun lobby and vote them out. Use social media for good, put pressure on the politicians, swing opinion. Thats all the politicians care about, especially Trump with his obsession about his ratings
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Thats very similar to the Canadian PAL, but you are allowed semi-automatics with a limited magazine capacity (5 if I remember).
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What would it feel like if you then could reduce the number of gun related deaths in the us to 1/10 of today numbers and school mass shootings only once every 10 Weeks instead of every weekend ( we dont have them in DK)
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Dana Loesch, a spokeswoman for the NRA, noted that the organization would consider raising the minimum age to 21 for purchasing a rifle an infringement of the Second Amendment.
“It's not the position of the NRA because I think that if we are asking young men and women to — to go and serve their country, that they should be able to also have a firearm,” she told CNN.
Totally ignoring the reason they have the weapons, the control of the weapons when not in theater and the training received.
“It's not the position of the NRA because I think that if we are asking young men and women to — to go and serve their country, that they should be able to also have a firearm,” she told CNN.
Totally ignoring the reason they have the weapons, the control of the weapons when not in theater and the training received.
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Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel announced Deputy Scot Peterson chose to resign after Israel suspended him without pay.
Israel said Peterson chose to resign as he had met the necessary requirements for retirement. The sheriff noted that the investigation would continue.
from: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...eriff-armed-officer-at-school-never-went-into
So he was of retirement age? Surely thats a factor to his actions.
I really hope we don't have a report saying the guard has now taken his life due to the vilification.
Israel said Peterson chose to resign as he had met the necessary requirements for retirement. The sheriff noted that the investigation would continue.
from: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...eriff-armed-officer-at-school-never-went-into
So he was of retirement age? Surely thats a factor to his actions.
I really hope we don't have a report saying the guard has now taken his life due to the vilification.
I don't know if this has already been posted, but yesterday they arrested a 17 year old in California who planned to shoot up his school. The stash of weapons is incredible.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ssault-rifle-handguns-el-camino-a8222876.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ssault-rifle-handguns-el-camino-a8222876.html
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There was a story of a 12 year old posting she was going to do the same who has been arrested.
meanwhile teacher careless with gun
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cops-teacher-left-gun-in-bathroom-elementary-kids-found-it/
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Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel announced Deputy Scot Peterson chose to resign after Israel suspended him without pay.
Israel said Peterson chose to resign as he had met the necessary requirements for retirement. The sheriff noted that the investigation would continue.
from: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...eriff-armed-officer-at-school-never-went-into
So he was of retirement age? Surely thats a factor to his actions.
I really hope we don't have a report saying the guard has now taken his life due to the vilification.
Sorry just occured to me, in the Florida concert shooting, a whole SWAT team waited over hour before breaking down the door of the hotel room with the bad guy in it, even though he'd killed himself 50 minutes before
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New tactics, bore people to death. Youll see it used by one of these kids too, just wait and see
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There was a story of a 12 year old posting she was going to do the same who has been arrested.
meanwhile teacher careless with gun
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cops-teacher-left-gun-in-bathroom-elementary-kids-found-it/[/QUOTEYou cannot possibly blame the teacher or the gun for that mistake - it has to be the fault of the unisex bathroom
You cannot possibly blame the teacher or the gun for that mistake - it has to be the fault of the unisex bathroom
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Good article on why AR15's and it's round velocity makes it so lethel
https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...land-should-change-the-debate-on-guns/553937/
https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...land-should-change-the-debate-on-guns/553937/
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I don't think I'm being "absolutist," just realist... To my way of thinking the issue isn't really the type of weapon used. Unless you regulate it to the point that the perpetrator couldn't arm their self to the point of significant advantage these types of events won't decline at all. What I can't fathom is what has changed in society to where these types of attacks are more commonly seen as "the best answer" to these people when there is some perceived wrong done to them (most of these tragedies are not "terrorist").
I think your correlation here is owning a high powered rifle and shoot it anywhere they like? That isn't the case obviously... If it's just owning a high powered rifle in the first place; there is more justification for that here than there is for you to be able to own a car that can do 160mph there. If it's owning a semi auto rifle, again I see valid justification for that as well here (small capacity for hunting).
I think the majority of Americans can and do accept regulation in regards to gun ownership... In NY any gun owned has to be registered. To get a hunting license you have to get training. To buy a gun in a store you have to undergo a background check. To own a AOW (i.e modified/otherwise illegal) you have to register federally. In many states to own/carry you have to have training. etc. etc. A lot of the issues are loopholes in the regulations, or breakdowns in the system/communication. That said, the regulations are not uniform across all states and as such are obviously inadequate.
What a disgusting piece of excrement Trump is. He has virtually called the guard a coward, this from the man who dodged his national service.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ce-officer-scot-peterson-coward-a8225296.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ce-officer-scot-peterson-coward-a8225296.html
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In general that's not the case. But there are some loopholes in the laws that makes it nearly so in some cases (trade show/individual sales), and *most* here would say that needs changed. Personally, unless you limited it to single shot weapons I don't see it being much of a limit to how much damage can be done in a given timeframe... excluding "automatic" type capabilities (I wasn't even aware of bump stocks).
I would have to agree...
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There are those that are suggesting no gun ownership for individuals, or ban all semi-automatics, etc etc. I think the problem is that most of these debates are carried out at the extremes with polar (probably unrealistic) viewpoints predominating... it's politics.
I agree. I think a 3-5 round limit for a sporting semi automatic would be quite reasonable... and it should not be clip fed. Anything beyond that has no real *practical* justification. Anything beyond that needs greater regulation/control IMO.
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I don't see it that way either. You do not enter a situation, and you definitely don't start shooting, unless you *know* the consequences of your actions will be less detrimental than inaction would be. It would be very hard to accept having killed a child, or escalating the situation w/o being able to resolve it resulting in more deaths. It takes a very special (trained) person to take that upon themselves, and even then many struggle to live with the results that sometimes happen.
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Anyone with a modicum of common sense, and especially those with actual experience/training for this type of stuff, has seriously berated Trumps suggestion here... and he's not getting much support from anyone that I can see (maybe the NRA?).
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You don't hunt do you?
no one is allowed to "open carry" a rifle/shotgun
supposed to be covered by federal background check (flawed system)
Makes sense to me...
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Have done quite a lot of rough shooting, yes, mostly with a shotgun.
I also regularly shoot with other weapons, either in the US (not since trump elected) or in europe, most recently in January. Your point is?
Sorry you're wrong
http://lawcenter.giffords.org/gun-laws/policy-areas/guns-in-public/open-carry/
Plus it was obvious in Charlottesville in the protests
https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...harlottesville-could-have-been-graver/537087/
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I don't see "single shot" as being particularly ethical in a hunting sense... Ideally it would always be "1 shot 1 kill," but that's not the case (I don't personally hunt anymore).
I guess so... my understanding and the practical application of this is for the purpose of transportation to/from legal activities. Anywhere I have ever lived you will get confronted if you open carry any weapon inappropriately.
That said, it is obviously very ambiguous legally which is not good.
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I agree, I thought the same about transporting weapons, based on my experiences here in the UK, but was really surprised to see weapons openly carried, legally, at Charlottesville, especially as that was a flashpoint.
So I looked into it and was really surprised about the difference in rules for long guns and hand guns. Hence why I suggested common laws across the US imposed by congress, not state differences.
So I looked into it and was really surprised about the difference in rules for long guns and hand guns. Hence why I suggested common laws across the US imposed by congress, not state differences.
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The way I see it. There a big difference in rate of fire from bolt action to semi auto. Add a heftier kick from recoil of a bigger caliber (308 or 30 06)which makes it take longer to get back on target slowing rate of fire even more and then youll have to reload round by round after 5 shots. Every second count for possible victims to get out of the way.
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Indeed, you might be surprised to hear that a legally held and licensed gun can also be transported in the UK. But I wouldn’t fancy your chances openly carrying a firearm through any city centre here, you’re likely to find yourself face down in last nights pavement pizza.
There’s a difference between ‘legal’ and what we’d consider acceptable behaviour.
I’ve said it before, I’ve been treated like a danger to society when discussing having a beer at the end of a long day’s work (shooting a wedding), by people who are happy to carry a gun to the same job. That’s so far away from sensible to any European but seems ‘normal’ to some Yanks.
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Ouch such paranoia
hope that doesn't happen to often.
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I don't understand what you found insulting!
I was just pointing out that on a UK based site, with one would imagine, a mainly UK based or originated user base, we may have a different point of view to an actual American, who may see these events in a different way. They may also have a different view of guns and gun ownership. I think what Steven/sk66 has posted has done that so far has done that.
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Depends on if your shots are placed, or more random/scattered... and similarly, if the shots are more random/scattered (i.e. just shooting quickly) you'll have to reload sooner. I think you may be thinking of single shot bolt action rifles rather than clip fed (there are clip fed bolt action rifles)... that's part of why I think sporting (generally legal) rifles should not be clip fed and don't need a capacity of more than 3-5 rounds, reloading a feed tube/chamber is a lot slower than changing a clip.
The idea of a large caliber being "safer" is dubious I think... certainly would be hard to sell.
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It’s not rocket science is it?
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No, it's not. But, being a retired teacher, I've known some parents that would say give all the kids sticks.
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The ar15 is a ridiculously competent weapon. Even with a novice it's easy to get a tiny grouping at 30m, or 50m with a red dot sight. Recoil is minimal.
With a handgun, if we're honest, then accuracy starts to dissipate past 10-15m. At 25m we were taught it's an area denial weapon, keeping people away. Pistols are however easier to conceal. There's a reason on most us indoor ranges people shoot at 5m or so with a pistol as they are considered close range weapons, i.e., in your house.
In that environment/culture,you can understand the argument for a pistol for defence. Open. And concealed carry still seem strange to me but that's their culture.
But I cannot see any reason for weapons such as ar15's at home with very minimal rules on ownership.
I can't see anything changing. The NRA and trump have come out fighting.
The culture needs to change and this needs to be a. Step change driven by the youth.
With a handgun, if we're honest, then accuracy starts to dissipate past 10-15m. At 25m we were taught it's an area denial weapon, keeping people away. Pistols are however easier to conceal. There's a reason on most us indoor ranges people shoot at 5m or so with a pistol as they are considered close range weapons, i.e., in your house.
In that environment/culture,you can understand the argument for a pistol for defence. Open. And concealed carry still seem strange to me but that's their culture.
But I cannot see any reason for weapons such as ar15's at home with very minimal rules on ownership.
I can't see anything changing. The NRA and trump have come out fighting.
The culture needs to change and this needs to be a. Step change driven by the youth.
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The AR15 was first introduced and sold to the public in 1964. And while we do have the highest, there are other countries with a high rate of civilian gun ownership that don't seem to have the same relative rate of incidence. There must be something else in our culture (USA) driving the rise in mass shootings... I can't fathom what that is, but there is a lot I don't understand about our youth/society.
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D. make sticks illegal so no child can play with one.
I know some will think I'm off, but that is more of an accurate analogy. Of course the offender is going to have his stick taken away... and he'll go to jail or a mental facility for quite some time as well.
I fully acknowledge that the level of damage makes these analogies poor. And something has to be done even if it is treating the symptoms (increased regulation) rather than the cause... but it's not a cure, or even a reversal really.
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Of course it didn’t take long for serial moron Alex Jones to get in on the conspiracy bandwagon.
https://www.engadget.com/2018/02/23/youtube-notices-infowars-peddles-conspiracies/
https://www.engadget.com/2018/02/23/youtube-notices-infowars-peddles-conspiracies/
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There was some mention on the news (can't find it just now) that pupils will have action taken against them if they walk out.
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I'm talking millions of kids, not just that school.
They can't deal with punishment on that scale, in in trying they'd look foolish.