The Official Fuji X10/X20/X30/XF1/XQ1 Thread

Terrywoodenpic said:
Interesting shots and nice idea to collect coffee cup shots in their environment.
I did not know I had a "Firework setting" as I tend not to use those presets.
But it could be an interesting experiment to try.
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It is one of the 'sp' scenes. As far as I can tell it is simply a pre-set exposure setting (1/2th shutter, ISO 100 and f9-f11 depending on focal length). As long as you can anticipate where the fireworks will be and press the shutter just before you think you need to then you can get nice shots.
Like I said, having more time I would probably have twiddled around with my own settings but it is nice to have there in case you want it.
 
AESamuel said:
It is one of the 'sp' scenes. As far as I can tell it is simply a pre-set exposure setting (1/2th shutter, ISO 100 and f9-f11 depending on focal length). As long as you can anticipate where the fireworks will be and press the shutter just before you think you need to then you can get nice shots.
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Alexander White says in his X10 book that the fireworks scene position sets a shutter speed of two seconds to catch a burst, and keeps ISO low to maximise quality. But I have't tried it.
 
ChrisR said:
Alexander White says in his X10 book that the fireworks scene position sets a shutter speed of two seconds to catch a burst, and keeps ISO low to maximise quality. But I have't tried it.
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Strange, the camera is definitely saying half a second exposure and the EXIF data says the same as well. Not 2 seconds.
 
Well the first weekend with the X10 worked out well, plenty of nice pics! :)

Has anyone else had a problem with overly strong or pink reds on the JPEG's though? The blues, greens, yellows are great but strong red is definitely not right. In fairness I had colour set to high as I once read this was best, I can't remember where! :D I'll experiment next time out but by eye it seems mid or mid-low looks most natural, I've not had the chance to try this out in good outdoor light to see if it looks too unsaturated... The reds in my set below were the better ones, deleted the really bad ones and those that started to go into pink! (Mainly flowers) The first shot of skateboard on red carpet was trying to fix this and had colour set mid-low but while this fixed the intensity the actual colour is not that close to the more burgundy tone in reality!

Selection of weekend shots are here for anyone interested - some were "normal" photo's, others were trying things out with the camera - had exposure turned up one notch accidentally for most of the day - D'oh! Most were EXR auto, all just Auto tone/contrast pumped up in Photoshop...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/58558767@N05/sets/72157630370882074/
 
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Jimrod said:
Well the first weekend with the X10 worked out well, plenty of nice pics! :)

Has anyone else had a problem with overly strong or pink reds on the JPEG's though? The blues, greens, yellows are great but strong red is definitely not right. In fairness I had colour set to high as I once read this was best, I can't remember where! :D I'll experiment next time out but by eye it seems mid or mid-low looks most natural, I've not had the chance to try this out in good outdoor light to see if it looks too unsaturated... The reds in my set below were the better ones, deleted the really bad ones and those that started to go into pink! (Mainly flowers) The first shot of skateboard on red carpet was trying to fix this and had colour set mid-low but while this fixed the intensity the actual colour is not that close to the more burgundy tone in reality!

Selection of weekend shots are here for anyone interested - some were "normal" photo's, others were trying things out with the camera - had exposure turned up one notch accidentally for most of the day - D'oh! Most were EXR auto, all just Auto tone/contrast pumped up in Photoshop...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/58558767@N05/sets/72157630370882074/
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The shot of the skate board and red carpet only contains two colours for the auto white blance to work with. so it has made a pretty good fist of it.
There was no way of the camera working out true red colour.
You could try again using a grey card to take an individual white balance.

Cameras usually have a bias to getting skin tones acceptable. but whoever sets the standard at fuji seems to like strong reds.

Have you tried the Astia setting for film type.
 
Hi Terry, thanks for the info - I'll give it a try! Weather gone back to dull and dreary down here again sadly... :(

Edit: Sorry, rushing - about to give someone a job interview! Actually I was pretty happy with that red carpet toned down with mid-low colour setting, it was fairly dull until Photoshop auto-tone compared to the other shots though. The bigger problem was red flowers - some strong red roses came out literally bright pink! I deleted these unfortunately. I'll have a more "technical" play around when I've got a bit more time.

Cheers,

Jim.
 
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Jimrod said:
Well the first weekend with the X10 worked out well, plenty of nice pics! :)

Has anyone else had a problem with overly strong or pink reds on the JPEG's though? The blues, greens, yellows are great but strong red is definitely not right. In fairness I had colour set to high as I once read this was best, I can't remember where! :D I'll experiment next time out but by eye it seems mid or mid-low looks most natural, I've not had the chance to try this out in good outdoor light to see if it looks too unsaturated... The reds in my set below were the better ones, deleted the really bad ones and those that started to go into pink! (Mainly flowers) The first shot of skateboard on red carpet was trying to fix this and had colour set mid-low but while this fixed the intensity the actual colour is not that close to the more burgundy tone in reality!

Selection of weekend shots are here for anyone interested - some were "normal" photo's, others were trying things out with the camera - had exposure turned up one notch accidentally for most of the day - D'oh! Most were EXR auto, all just Auto tone/contrast pumped up in Photoshop...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/58558767@N05/sets/72157630370882074/
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Nice one Jim and welcome to the X10 owners club ;-)

Nice little set you've placed up. I love the daisy photo... I'd be proud if I had that in my collection.

You have an amazing garden - what a thing to have a weir! what river is that in your garden?
 
souldeep said:
Nice one Jim and welcome to the X10 owners club ;-)

Nice little set you've placed up. I love the daisy photo... I'd be proud if I had that in my collection.

You have an amazing garden - what a thing to have a weir! what river is that in your garden?
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Cheers Souldeep! Nowhere near the quality of your pics but I'll keep trying as I get used to the camera - that's the first step at least! :)

These were all taken at my friend's place up near Warwick (England), some of the shots with the weir were at a local pub to them so I guess an offshoot of the river Avon? - the building up on the hill in the background is supposed to be a derelict mansion you can only access via the river! I wonder how much that would sell for, hmm... :)

Ahh, here's the pub - http://www.saxonmill.co.uk/
 
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Terrywoodenpic said:
souldeep said:
Nice one Jim and welcome to the X10 owners club ;-)
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Perhaps we should start some sort of X10 club

Any Idea how much metal pin badges cost to have made ?
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Many posts ago I suggested we all bought the same colour soft release so we would recognise each other when out. BUT BUT BUT I've never seen anyone with a an X10 let alone looked for our secret colour :shrug:
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That is the point of an X10.. it become invisible
You never see one........
 
Ok, did a test last night, camera on standard Provia, medium colour, manual setting with 400 auto EXR. This is my issue with reds -


RAW file converted to JPEG, not 100% perfect red but pretty darn close:
MouselightRAW.jpg



JPEG straight from camera (fine setting):
MouselightJPEG.jpg



Now that can't be right, I've read up and no-one seems to have a solution, it mainly appears as over-saturated reds on JPEG's, not the end of the world I guess but many say this is only under indoor lights etc. One of the pictures I ditched from the weekend was a vibrant red flower outdoors which had also turned pink! My other red flower shots came out a little strong with reds obscuring detail. Unlike "orb issues" which many are looking for (which I haven't seen any evidence of on my camera) I wasn't aware of a problem with reds on JPEG's but noticed it coming up on any picture I took with a lot of red content over the weekend, I presumed I just had colour set too high.

I guess the solution is to shoot RAW since while this is a documented problem from some people (is it just some or do all X10's have this behaviour??) there seems to be no movement from Fuji on any firmware fix - bigger issues to deal with I'm sure! It's a shame though as one of the reasons I wanted to get away from my Nex 5 was unappealing colour balance and I didn't like having to dig through RAW files all the time! It also means no 6meg EXR mode. :(

I do wonder how this hasn't come up more with people as I found the reds to be a problem on quite a few pics from just one batch! I know not everyone spends their day shooting red lights but this was the easiest example I could get, as I said it came up under more normal conditions a few times as well! :(
 
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I'm not disputing the problem - I've seen it myself - but....
The X10 is quite sensitive to Infra Red, and I think those mice emit a LOT of IR.
If I'm right then it's interesting that the converted RAW looks so close when that's probably not what the camera saw.
Like I said; I've seen this problem myself, it's just your test image I'm challenging.

Another example of Pinks where they should not be - photograph an open fire (or bonfire) - those pinks are pure IR and we can't see them.

Weirdly - I've also seen the opposite happen.
This image was taken Astia, in camera JPEG (didn't take RAW).
The coat on the left is Red, the coat on the right is bright Pink!
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Note the rucksack strap is pink, but the coat is not.
To the human eye they look very close in colour.

The X10 is no worse than my old LX3, but not as accurate as my 5DII.
I think it's IR and I've stopped worrying about it.
 
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Cheers for the feedback Duncan! It's a shame I didn't keep the "duff" shots from the weekend as I also had a good example of a bright red flower (not rose red but more orangey red like the mouse light) turn bright pink - I tried to get a shot of it three times but the same pink colour came out so I gave up, this was in normal daylight. With that and a burgundy carpet turning bright red in a few shots I'm hoping this shift in colour won't be a problem all the time. I'll keep colour at Mid-Low I guess to minimize it on JPEG's if I want to make use of the EXR mode.
 
Jimrod said:
Ok, did a test last night, camera on standard Provia, medium colour, manual setting with 400 auto EXR. This is my issue with reds -
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That is very strange... One can not get from the raw result to the Jpeg result by altering the colour balance. Those amounts of yellow and pink simply are not available in each other.

I think you might well ask Fuji what is going on.
which raw converter did you use?
 
Terrywoodenpic said:
That is very strange... One can not get from the raw result to the Jpeg result by altering the colour balance. Those amounts of yellow and pink simply are not available in each other.

I think you might well ask Fuji what is going on.
which raw converter did you use?
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I've emailed the pics to Fuji tech support this morning so I'll see if they answer. The issue has been mentioned elsewhere I've since read but I don't think any conclusion was reached. I used standard up-to-date Photoshop raw, not the Fuji one (I didn't put the disk in yet!) The raw shot was very close to the actual colour but a touch more orange than in reality.

I've gone around the office and taken a few random shots of red things this morning, it's dull and dreary here though. No strange behaviour as yet - the reds aren't particularly accurate from what I can see on the screen (a little more orange) but I accept that will be the case - especially under office lighting, I've not looked at the RAW files yet. From something I read in other threads it may be due to the red colour channel clipping on JPEG's, which under dull light would not likely be a problem I guess?
 
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I would take a few shots in sunlight with the white balance set accordingly.
Shots in mixed indoor light are very hard to quantify.

One problem with the mose shot is that the red light is being emited by the mouse as a direct source. This will always give very different results compared to light reflected back from a subject.
 
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I have noticed similar colour differences, I always thought red was a difficult colour for sensors to handle, so it never really bothered me. I did take a few pics this morning of a red rose in the garden. It is dull here and the rose came out quite well but not with the deep red I was expecting. I took the same shot with my X100 and got a red closer to the original, but the difference between the two is not that great for me to worry too much.
Other people have posted about the red colour shift and remedies have included raising the ISO, closing the aperture down and setting the exposure control dial to -1 ,
I tried all these and didnt see much difference, other than the background was now in focus!

I'd be interested to see if you can solve this!

Allan
 
Yeah, took a few more shots, remembered I had a photo booth downstairs with some white lights - put some red velvet, a folder and a fire extinguisher in there - all came out "ok", a little orange but again not a big problem for me. It may indeed be to do with clipping but what with it being July in England I can't see the sun coming out any time soon! :D

I'll put the lights closer later (I do occasionally have to actually work) and see if anything odd comes up! Light intensity certainly seems to be a factor...

Edit: They look orangey on the LCD, on the PC a little closer to reality with a slight lean towards pinkish (not in the over-exaggerated way as above).
 
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errr not good....:'(

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"We are very sorry but there will be a delay in getting your camera back to you.

A minor problem has been found within our process which affects a small number of sensor replacements and we wish to double check your camera before sending it back to you. This should only take an extra few days.

Please accept our sincere apology for any inconvenience caused.

Regards Fuji"

Concerned now and have asked for an expansion of the explanation as to why my camera has not been returned.
 
jondc said:
errr not good....:'(

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"We are very sorry but there will be a delay in getting your camera back to you.

A minor problem has been found within our process which affects a small number of sensor replacements and we wish to double check your camera before sending it back to you. This should only take an extra few days.

Please accept our sincere apology for any inconvenience caused.

Regards Fuji"

Concerned now and have asked for an expansion of the explanation as to why my camera has not been returned.
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Just had exactly the same email from them so would be fascinated to learn if they reply to you?
 
Funny how it's only a minor problem. I'd feel happier if the email started " OMG! The sensor replacement programme has gone t**s up. However, we're working really hard to sort it out and get your camera fixed properly and back to you ASAP.
Honesty is usually the best policy!
Allan
 
Jimrod said:
Cheers for the feedback Duncan! It's a shame I didn't keep the "duff" shots from the weekend as I also had a good example of a bright red flower (not rose red but more orangey red like the mouse light) turn bright pink - I tried to get a shot of it three times but the same pink colour came out so I gave up, this was in normal daylight. With that and a burgundy carpet turning bright red in a few shots I'm hoping this shift in colour won't be a problem all the time. I'll keep colour at Mid-Low I guess to minimize it on JPEG's if I want to make use of the EXR mode.
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Jim,
It was really interesting the differences you found between RAW and JPEG regards the reds.
If you dig back in this thread you will also spot another difference I documented where the shadows have colour in the JPEG, but are much more neutral in the RAW.
Could the others experimenting with this odd Red images please take both and report back - ta :thumbs:

Also - no idea if it makes any differences, but probably worth checking.
Mine were taken in P, not EXR. It might be worth experimenting.
In my early testing I had some mixed results from EXR, so I now only use it in emergencies.
 
DayDreamer said:
Just had exactly the same email from them so would be fascinated to learn if they reply to you?
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I have been informed the issues lies with the alignment of the sensor due to testing processes changing. Will double check that one when it arrives.
 
I suppose better to get it right but a little late.
They said mine arrived there a week ago, but I have heard nothing else since.
And that was a return for faults, after they changed the sensor.
 
Hi all, I've been lurking on this thread for quite a while, 1st post now.

I was following Duncans posts in particular as I've been looking for a replacement to my Ricoh gx100 for climbing/mountaineering snapping. The Rioch has developed an appetite for zooming in or out or both as I press the shutter...

So the x10 caught my eye, I hardly ever take the 40d out into the mountains and thus never take as many pics as I want / could. Over winter I use a weatherproof camera, so come spring; err didn't arrive, and I forgot about replacing the rioch.

So firstly, thank you to Duncan for inspiring landscapes / mountains and to you all for a great thread. I'm now sitting with an x10 trying to learn her ways. I fly off to Norway in a few hours for three weeks climbing. I dithered for so long I've left myself precious little time to learn... The garden has never being so well documented :D

Off out to the peak this afternoon via the camera shop to take some tests. Noway is going to be massive, in scenery and climbing effort, I'm really looking forward to some of the pano shots I hope I can capture and share.

I've read this entire thread over the last week or so, got a few of the suggested settings in c1[iso100, dr 400%, highlight:medsoft, M4:3] and c2, no laptop on this trip so a lot is riding on the 'skill' of the fuji.

It's a 21N serial camera, so fingers crossed, as most of the climbing will have sea in the background.
 
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allanm said:
Funny how it's only a minor problem. I'd feel happier if the email started " OMG! The sensor replacement programme has gone t**s up. However, we're working really hard to sort it out and get your camera fixed properly and back to you ASAP.
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:lol: classic!
 
Col360 said:
Hi all, I've been lurking on this thread for quite a while, 1st post now.

I was following Duncans posts in particular as I've been looking for a replacement to my Ricoh gx100 for climbing/mountaineering snapping. The Rioch has developed an appetite for zooming in or out or both as I press the shutter...

So the x10 caught my eye, I hardly ever take the 40d out into the mountains and thus never take as many pics as I want / could. Over winter I use a weatherproof camera, so come spring; err didn't arrive, and I forgot about replacing the rioch.

So firstly, thank you to Duncan for inspiring landscapes / mountains and to you all for a great thread. I'm now sitting with an x10 trying to learn her ways. I fly off to Norway in a few hours for three weeks climbing. I dithered for so long I've left myself precious little time to learn... The garden has never being so well documented :D

Off out to the peak this afternoon via the camera shop to take some tests. Noway is going to be massive, in scenery and climbing effort, I'm really looking forward to some of the pano shots I hope I can capture and share.

I've read this entire thread over the last week or so, got a few of the suggested settings in c1[iso100, dr 400%, highlight:medsoft, M4:3] and c2, no laptop on this trip so a lot is riding on the 'skill' of the fuji.

It's a 21N serial camera, so fingers crossed, as most of the climbing will have sea in the background.
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Yikes!
Get those batteries broken in before you go to improve capacity.

Those settings you mention are similar to ones I would have used before I started taking RAW on the X10.
Main difference is I never quite got on with the EXR magic (jaggies when pixel peeping) so used full size with the DR pulling back info out of the highlights and shadows.

I now always take RAW unless I want something special from the X10 like panorama or DR1600% in EXR mode. Typical settings for general shooting are RAW, P-mode, ISO Auto(3200), DR100%, Astia, WB Daylight.
As you can see from this thread, everyone has found setting they are comfortable with.
If you are used to RAW from your 40D and have the card capacity, then RAW may be the best way for you to go.

Also....
I've found that the X10 is often best left to get on with it and only take control when you need to.
Given that you don't have the time to learn and no way to review what you are taking then don't risk ruining your shots.
Don't assume the same technique that works on your 40D will work on the X10. For example, I use Aperture priority on my DSLRs and lost loads of shots because the big aperture on the X10 caused the max shutter speed to be exceeded in normal shooting conditions.

As far as mountaineering goes.
I carry a cheap wrist loop I can slip onto the X10 if I ever feel I need some extra security. It lives in the Apex 60 camera bag as it takes no space.
So far I've never used it, though there are plenty of occasions in hindsight I should have used it; like in the recent lighthouse photo.

Norway is somewhere I've always wanted to visit.
Have fun and don't forget to post some images here when you get back :thumbs:
 
Col360 said:
Hi all, I've been lurking on this thread for quite a while, 1st post now...

So the x10 caught my eye, I hardly ever take the 40d out into the mountains and thus never take as many pics as I want / could. Over winter I use a weatherproof camera, so come spring; err didn't arrive, and I forgot about replacing the rioch.

So firstly, thank you to Duncan for inspiring landscapes / mountains and to you all for a great thread. I'm now sitting with an x10 trying to learn her ways. I fly off to Norway in a few hours for three weeks climbing. I dithered for so long I've left myself precious little time to learn... The garden has never being so well documented :D

Off out to the peak this afternoon via the camera shop to take some tests. Noway is going to be massive, in scenery and climbing effort, I'm really looking forward to some of the pano shots I hope I can capture and share.

I've read this entire thread over the last week or so, got a few of the suggested settings in c1[iso100, dr 400%, highlight:medsoft, M4:3] and c2, no laptop on this trip so a lot is riding on the 'skill' of the fuji.

It's a 21N serial camera, so fingers crossed, as most of the climbing will have sea in the background.
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Welcome to the thread, and as Duncan said, make sure you get plenty of batteries and spare cards. It's a great camera and I love mine, but I'm sure glad I had time for a dozen or so rounds of test shots before doing anything major (and I still forgot to take it out of Velvia when leaving dull England for sparkly Israel!). I'd thoroughly recommend badgering your mates (if they have laptops or iPads etc with them) or otherwise getting the opportunity to look at what you've got while away. And unless you leave it behind I'd lay 50 to 1 against you still having your lens cap when you get back (it's one thing dropping it on the floor, but dropping it from a cliff face is different!). Have fun, we do!:)
 
Col360 said:
Hi all, I've been lurking on this thread for quite a while, 1st post now.

I was following Duncans posts in particular as I've been looking for a replacement to my Ricoh gx100 for climbing/mountaineering snapping. The Rioch has developed an appetite for zooming in or out or both as I press the shutter...

So the x10 caught my eye, I hardly ever take the 40d out into the mountains and thus never take as many pics as I want / could. Over winter I use a weatherproof camera, so come spring; err didn't arrive, and I forgot about replacing the rioch.

So firstly, thank you to Duncan for inspiring landscapes / mountains and to you all for a great thread. I'm now sitting with an x10 trying to learn her ways. I fly off to Norway in a few hours for three weeks climbing. I dithered for so long I've left myself precious little time to learn... The garden has never being so well documented :D

Off out to the peak this afternoon via the camera shop to take some tests. Noway is going to be massive, in scenery and climbing effort, I'm really looking forward to some of the pano shots I hope I can capture and share.

I've read this entire thread over the last week or so, got a few of the suggested settings in c1[iso100, dr 400%, highlight:medsoft, M4:3] and c2, no laptop on this trip so a lot is riding on the 'skill' of the fuji.

It's a 21N serial camera, so fingers crossed, as most of the climbing will have sea in the background.
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Welcome Col :)

I think Duncan has been an inspiration to most of us on both the X10 and the style of his photography!

I highly recommend you have two full batteries per day minimum. If you shoot RAW, and have lots of panoramic scenery to snap, I'd go for a 32gig card as well.

Look forward to seeing the results and hope you get a chance to get to Pulpit Rock. Make sure you use the panoramic mode out there for sure!
 
souldeep said:
When will we get the opportunity to look at your set from Israel? :suspect:
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I put up a selection in #1924 and #1923 in this thread (that order, ie part 2 came first due to getting muddled). I'm still trying to figure out the best way to make a story of some kind from the images (on my own or as part of the group that went). Photobooks spring to mind, or possibly posts on my blog, but it's not at all oriented to photography so far. I've only got a non-pro flickr account, which is chocka with scanned slides from a 1974 NZ trip at the moment.
 
Thanks for the tips, now and in thread.

Most of the time it will be bagged, coming out on good ledges, check the route etc, it's only the snappy days when not climbing I'm majorly concerned about tearing through both batteries. Have packed 2x16's and 2x8's. Should do me and the garden shots look great which is a big reassurance.

I also pack a spare pos, oddly the Rioch is totally behaving itself today :shrug:

@Souldeep, I'm heading further north, up to Lofoten and Stetind

Velvia does seem rich, but then I recall it's meant to. I tried to get the Rioch to look velvia, but somehow never got it right.

re Raw, I hear you, but for two poor reasons I avoid it, one time, two, skills. I seem to make more of a hash of them than is possible. :bonk:

I know I'm going to loose the lens cap, went to buy an adaptor today but baulked at the over all cost, so a 3 quid sticky pad it is. I don't know, maybe it will work :shake:

See you in three weeks or so, with another 20 pages to catch up on.:wave:
 
ChrisR said:
I put up a selection in #1924 and #1923 in this thread (that order, ie part 2 came first due to getting muddled). I'm still trying to figure out the best way to make a story of some kind from the images (on my own or as part of the group that went). Photobooks spring to mind, or possibly posts on my blog, but it's not at all oriented to photography so far. I've only got a non-pro flickr account, which is chocka with scanned slides from a 1974 NZ trip at the moment.
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Old skool ;) You were snapping before I was born!

Well I'm looking forward to checking them out :)
 
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