The virus. PPE. Part 1

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sphexx said:
Utter idealogical madness. :(.
I’m curious about Dyson, they make their stuff in Malaysia and Singapore. I read that 3 of 4 surgical gloves are made in Malaysia and that Malaysia was controlling their export to make sure they had enough, so if Dyson makes ventilators in Malaysia will he be allowed to export them?
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He has a site in the UK ready to go. Why would you risk importing to the UK and risk more infection coming in?
 
Cockney said:
Nothing to do with the fact that he's got a facility to manufacture them, ready and waiting to go? Maybe they should spend 6 months negotiating with the unions. Or go out to EU tender?
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dod said:
that's an interesting one. The EU already has an approved scheme in place and there's no guarantee that Dyson can actually deliver.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...virus-fight-but-won-t-join-eu-ventilator-plan
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Cockney said:
When I've dealt with EU contracts they took for ever. I see no problem in favouring a UK supplier, as long as it does not build in a delay. I don't have enough info to judge.
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Funny how there were 5000 ventilators actually made available via a firm in Nantwich and Boris et al never got back to them so they got picked up by other countries

https://thenantwichnews.co.uk/2020/...t-over-delay-after-offering-5000-ventilators/
 
nilagin said:
The UK already has 8k ventilators on order. What's wrong with trying to boost our own economy and provide work for our own population to make more?
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Nothing, but why restrict it
 
nilagin said:
He has a site in the UK ready to go. Why would you risk importing to the UK and risk more infection coming in?
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Given that they didn’t restrict humans carrying the virus I hardly think that’s an argument they’d be able to use convincingly
 
Donnie said:
Funny how there were 5000 ventilators actually made available via a firm in Nantwich and Boris et al never got back to them so they got picked up by other countries

https://thenantwichnews.co.uk/2020/...t-over-delay-after-offering-5000-ventilators/
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Maybe they hiked the price up. And, if you read that article, the company in Nantwich aren't the manufacturer, they're made in the Middle East.... So, were they really available, how much were they, could they get them here?

Just questions, but ones that nobody on here knows the answers to....
 
nilagin said:
Why not?
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(a) Infection is already widespread in the UK.
(b) The risk from imported products is minimal, since viable virus is gone from inanimate objects in a few days even without decontamination.
(c) We know how to disinfect ventilators, which is done routinely (think about it).
(d) The Government is already ordering ventilators from overseas sources - only participation in the EU procurement scheme is being rejected.
 
Ricardodaforce said:
It’s getting political in here.
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It is, but I guess it was always going to.

I really don't know if the Government dropped the ball early on, I can only hope that they were following expert advice and not Cummings pseudoscience, but seeing as I'm not privy to that advice, as I'm guessing no-one else here is either, then we'll have to trust they were.

I think now though, the government is doing the right thing. I think they've accepted that they'll not easily control the spread of this virus, and have decided that if they can slow it down then that is the best option. At least that way, if they can flatten the curve, then it will mean more people can be treated, enough ventilators for those that need them and that in turn should mean more lives are saved. But, to be honest, and I'm no fan of Johnson or the Tory government, he was damned if he did and damned if he didn't. Even today in the Telegraph there's an article saying he lost his bottle, and turned away from a perfectly reasonable policy of herd immunity. Its not the first article I've seen on there saying pretty much the same thing.

Time will tell I suppose, but for now we should just hope that the restrictions put in place do what they're meant too, for all our sakes.
 
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Cockney said:
When I've dealt with EU contracts they took for ever. I see no problem in favouring a UK supplier, as long as it does not build in a delay. I don't have enough info to judge.
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Dyson is a UK supplier? Dyson's R&D is in the UK, manufacturing is in Malaysia and Singapore, its HQ is in Singapore.
 
Retune said:
(a) Infection is already widespread in the UK.
(b) The risk from imported products is minimal, since viable virus is gone from inanimate objects in a few days even without decontamination.
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What about the animate humans doing the shipping?
 
Jelster said:
Oh, yeah, Dyson, that very successful British Company...... Maybe we should have contracted it out Germany or France.....
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Not for much longer Dyson HQ is leaving the UK next year for Singapore. Production moved to malaysia and Singapore nearly 20 years ago. Not so 'British' anymore.
 
Just read a report saying that up to 14% of Chinese that have recovered from the virus have tested positive for it again.
 
KitsuneAndy said:
Dirty for liking a Tory policy?

Good other than that though, cough is lingering but not constant. How's your daughter?
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LOL, I know its like eating sand saying you agree with a Tory chancellor, ( all be it he has come to realise socialist policies really do make the best sense).

My daughter is fine thanks, a chesty cough, not a dry cough so I'm guessing it wasn't what we were dreading, although I hope it was and she now has some immunity.
 
Jelster said:
Maybe they hiked the price up. And, if you read that article, the company in Nantwich aren't the manufacturer, they're made in the Middle East.... So, were they really available, how much were they, could they get them here?

Just questions, but ones that nobody on here knows the answers to....
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Indeed, I take your point, however "He said despite the communication, the only reply they received from DoH was a “thank you” and that “you are in our system”.

That doesn't read like there was every any negotiation or even any discussion about price. It looks very much like a missed opportunity and smacks of the same "Brexit before people" being mooted where the UK is refusing to join the EU buying bloc also to help save peoples lives.

Ricardodaforce said:
Just read a report saying that up to 14% of Chinese that have recovered from the virus have tested positive for it again.
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That sentence is useless without a reference to where the report is / comes from?

Retune said:
They don't come in the box with the ventilator.
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LOL
 
nilagin said:
Who drives the lorries, forklift, ships, trains?
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If there's any risk of infection from a fomite, the relevant people are those who unloaded the container at the hospital half an hour ago, not those who loaded it on to a ship a week ago. And today, UK package handlers are about as likely to be infected as anyone from all but the most heavily affected regions.
 
Retune said:
If there's any risk of infection from a fomite, the relevant people are those who unloaded the container at the hospital half an hour ago, not those who loaded it on to a ship a week ago. And today, UK package handlers are about as likely to be infected as anyone from all but the most heavily affected regions.
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Why do you think we are on lockdown?
It's so people aren't moving around interacting with others and risking spreading further infection.
Importing stuff unnecessarily when it can be sourced here, reduces that.
The ship doesn't arrive in port and the contents get teleported you know.
 
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Cockney said:
So pretty meaningless then.
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Stop being such a dick for once. Unlike you I’m posting news and not trying to score some pathetic forum points. Isn’t being deliberately contentious what Marcel is asking people not to do?
 
Ricardodaforce said:
Stop being such a dick for once. Unlike you I’m posting news and not trying to score some pathetic forum points. Isn’t being deliberately contentious what Marcel is asking people not to do?
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Shut up.
Its meaningless.
 
Ricardodaforce said:
I didn’t link it for obvious reasons, but here you go https://www.telecinco.es/informativ...s-coronavirus-china-recaen_18_2920845244.html

It does also say that they are investigating if part of the issue may be due to initial misdiagnosis.
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Google translate is useful.

In the study by Wuhan doctors, the recovered patients showed no symptoms after testing positive again . But the researchers found no evidence that they became infectious after recovery, as all of their family members tested negative. Guangdong officials also suggested that people in close contact with such recovered patients were not infected by them.
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Medical experts are questioning whether nucleic acid tests are reliable to detect traces of the virus in some of the recovered patients. "These recovered patients may have tested negative earlier due to false results," added Wang, meaning they were unable to detect the small amounts of virus still found within the patient. "The precision of a nucleic acid test is 30 to 50 percent."
 
Ricardodaforce said:
I didn’t link it for obvious reasons, but here you go https://www.telecinco.es/informativ...s-coronavirus-china-recaen_18_2920845244.html

It does also say that they are investigating if part of the issue may be due to initial misdiagnosis.
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I don't know what the obvious reasons are, unless because it wasn't in english which google soon took care of, plus a bit more googling on the issue results in https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-questions-in-containment-fight-idUSKCN20M124

Problem with both reports is there is no link to the research whatsoever so its all speculative to say the least
 
Retune said:
They don't come in the box with the ventilator.
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Then who is going to tell us how to use them, the instruction booklet is bound to be in impenetrable Chinglish and will take months of study by which time it‘ll all be over ... one way or the other :).
 
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