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I stand corrected. Looks like you need one of these:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tl0Y-7UhZf8&feature=youtube_gdata_player
John - you just cheered me up no end!
I stand corrected. Looks like you need one of these:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tl0Y-7UhZf8&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Somehow can't imagine seeing hoards of togs outside of party conferences, celebrity nightclubs etc with a NEX, seems to be a large credibility gap to me ... maybe it's just me :shrug:
gramps said:Not so much thinking format per se, rather just thinking of the current Nikon D3 with 70-200 or Canon equivalent and suddenly replacing that mental image with a NEX and ... and what? Suddenly see pro journalistic togs looking like tourists!
If the Sony delivers the results, what's the problem? It's smaller, easier to carry and if the only downside is to look less like a pro journo, I can see a few reasons to switch there.Suddenly see pro journalistic togs looking like tourists!
gingerweasel said:I made the mistake of handling an NEX-5 today whilst out shopping. They actually feel really good in the hand, which I wasn't expecting. Snappy AF, and more interestingly for me really good shallow depth of field (using the 18-55 @ 55mm - f5.6).
Not so much thinking format per se, rather just thinking of the current Nikon D3 with 70-200 or Canon equivalent and suddenly replacing that mental image with a NEX and ... and what? Suddenly see pro journalistic togs looking like tourists!
Why does that matter?
ausemmao said:Why does that matter?
They can make them as small as they want, but if it hasn't got an optical viewfinder, at least for now with the current tech, then I wouldn't be interested. :nono:
But then it's the size too. I have the camera I have because it feels comfortable in my hand, and that is the size of the grip I hold.
I find some smaller DSLRs uncomfortable with a big lens on, and that is a with a grip more shaped to the hand.
I personally think that they look a bit silly with a tiny body with a big lens on. I don't know how the Sony's feel with a larger lens on. :shrug: Yes, some of the lenses will be smaller, but if start getting large zoom lenses, or even getting adapters to put DSLR lenses on, then this type of image jumps into my head, only scaled down slightly.
They can make them as small as they want, but if it hasn't got an optical viewfinder, at least for now with the current tech, then I wouldn't be interested. :nono:
I personally think that they look a bit silly with a tiny body with a big lens on. I don't know how the Sony's feel with a larger lens on. :shrug: Yes, some of the lenses will be smaller, but if start getting large zoom lenses, or even getting adapters to put DSLR lenses on, then this type of image jumps into my head, only scaled down slightly.
Agree entirely, unless a totally new lens technology comes to the surface there is no way this could replace the DSLR for its lens flexibility. All very fine for short to medium lenses but where do you go when you need more?
I can see it now as the wildlife photographer shows off his work ... "Where did you say the kite was?" ... "It's there ... in the top corner ... see the spec?" ... "Sorry, I thought that was dust!".
Sure there is a place for compact and no doubt there will be a place for these but sorry I can't see them taking over until a lot of other things fit into place.
I'm not quite sure what your point is or if you really understand it yourself?
Don't feel so threatened - it's not compulsory.
Missing you already. :shrug:Sorry I thought individuals were free to express an opinion on the forum I had no idea that in doing so I would face some patronising individual telling me that I don't understand my own point of view.
Since the thread is obviously reserved for those 'special people' I'll vacate it.
The NEX 7 has a viewfinder, too. I'll be interested in how good it is.
In response to your big lens comment, with 24mp at hand, on basically the same size sensor as a dx body, you could have a lets say 200mm lens, and when cropping half the size of the original image, it'll be the equivalent of a 400mm lens being used on a dx body? Why would you need a rediculously massive lens?
You're not actually making any valid argument at all in response to the reasoned posts of myself and others. If the best you can manage is a dummy spit we'll all be better off if you leave the topic alone.
Ooh, that's very friendly you charming devil.
Or was that aimed at me, because you'd already given a not too friendly response to Gramps. :shrug:
I can certainly see the appeal now I've investigated it a little more. Who wouldn't want DSLR quality in the palm of their hand? I've jumped between DSLRs and compact system cameras several times because neither system ticked wall the boxes. I want quality but when I get that it's often in the form of a bulky heavy SLR system that I won't carry with me. I then get fed up of owning thousands of pounds worth of equipment I never use and swap to a compact system camera that I eventually get fed up of because of quality... rinse, lather and repeat.
If there was a compact system camera that could deliver the quality of a DSLR then it would be the best of both worlds.
The reason I don't feel the NEX-7 would suit me is the lack of good Sony glass. No point having a larger sensor if the glass suck balls. If they had some small pancake lenses on par with the Panasonic range I'd order one in a heartbeat.
I know you can pickup Ziess glass but the size of that wouldn't suit my needs, I want a pocket camera.
jamesoliverstone said:Check the lens lineup due for release, the zeiss 28mm looks amazing
The Mega Pixel count may be getting large enough for big crops, and Yes, you can crop a lot more and still get great image quality, but if you have 24MP, you want your images to be 24MP. You can stick a DX lens on a D700 and it will crop that central portion for you, giving you the appearance of 50% more focal range, yes, it's only 5MP instead of 12MP, but 5MP is enough for an A4 print. I would say that the vast majority of those owners regularly in a situation where the subject is far away would get the large lens rather than crop too much into their 12MP more than they have to. :shrug:
It's a 24mm.
Oh how I miss my GF1
I'm even wondering whether or not I gave the x100 a fair shake
Well, it'll certainly fix your viewfinder issues! It seems there's comments about the NEX-7's OVF refreshing at 240Hz. Depending on whether that's per colour channel (so 240 true) or before dithering (some OVFs alternate colour channel at each pixel, so 80Hz true) it's going to be veeeery accurate. As long as image review can be turned of so there's a constant live stream, it sounds fantastic. Now they just need to add on sensor PDAF...NEX-7n anyone?
Full frame at 12mp is beginning to sound comedic.... I have 12mp in a camera phone.
RAWs might be noisy but which raw converter was used?? There was this issue with the A700 and claim of noisy RAWS. Once the converter was updated the noise reduced massively.
I wonder if you could have the NEX-7 technology but in a dslr sized body and ditch mirrors and mechanical shutters altogether? You'd then have something that is a huge leap forward. Moving a mirror out of the way seems such an old fashioned thing to do somehow.
I reckon the NEX is the start of something really interesting.
Why does that matter?
The look maybe wouldnt matter but a 70-200 2.8 lens on the NEX would be ridiculously unbalanced
To me the real potential of large sensor mirrorlesses seems likely to be with primes rather than zooms, that would give you a much more balanced system that could be pocketable.
I've never liked them either - few people have. Things are moving on though and it's significant that a lot of reviewers have pre-orderd the camera - including this guy ....I'd need to have a look through the NEX-7 to see if I could live with an EVF as so far I've never liked them.