Canon EOS R Series Cameras

He's beginning to look like he's peering through a hedge! :LOL:

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About the new f11 lenses. I love the lightweight aspect (and the price) and as an old guy with arthritis that's a big thing for me, but I only venture away from my Fuji for birds and I'm pretty sure f11 isn't going to be that useful for me. What say you guys?
 
About the new f11 lenses. I love the lightweight aspect (and the price) and as an old guy with arthritis that's a big thing for me, but I only venture away from my Fuji for birds and I'm pretty sure f11 isn't going to be that useful for me. What say you guys?
TBH I won’t shoot at smaller than f8 for birds. I know f8 lenses would be heavier and more expensive but would the be ‘that’ much heavier?
 
TBH I won’t shoot at smaller than f8 for birds. I know f8 lenses would be heavier and more expensive but would the be ‘that’ much heavier?

Pretty sure it would, every stop adds size, weight and significant cost. They might have been able to make it a half decent size and weight at f8 but the pro guys with deep pockets will buy the pro lenses.

 
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Yeah f8 would need to let twice the amount of light in so probably the size difference would be sizeable. Mind you, the only lens I manage now is the 400mm f5.6 with a 1.4tc and f11 seems a stop too far. Not sure where that leaves me :confused:
 
Yeah f8 would need to let twice the amount of light in so probably the size difference would be sizeable. Mind you, the only lens I manage now is the 400mm f5.6 with a 1.4tc and f11 seems a stop too far. Not sure where that leaves me :confused:

Shoot higher ISO or use the lens combo you have on the R5.
 
I am interested to know how the IBIS gets on with non IS lenses such as the 400mm f/5.6L USM, plus does it work in conjunction with third party lenses that have IS such as my 150-600mm Sigma Sport.


To answer my own question Gordon Laing says approx 4 stops on a EF 85mm so I am expecting 3 on a telephoto. Decent video if you are only interested in stills.

 
To answer my own question Gordon Laing says approx 4 stops on a EF 85mm so I am expecting 3 on a telephoto. Decent video if you are only interested in stills.


But thats his experience, doesnt the perceived effectiveness also depend on the ability of the user to handhold a slower SS?

100% hit rate @ 200mm 2.8 12 & 20fps :)
 
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As a completely stills photographer I don't really care, but at the same time, I'm also kind of interested in this overheating video thing. I read this in Dpreview:

"With the exception of specialist video models, most cameras that shoot 4K are prone to overheating, regardless of the brand. Some companies let you extend the recording time by ignoring overheat warnings (and risk ‘low-temperature burns’ if you handhold the camera), while others simply stop when they get too hot. This should make it clear that shooting 4K for an extended period is difficult. For instance, Sony says the a7 III will shoot around 29 minutes of 4K video with the temperature warnings set to ‘Std,’ while the Fujifilm X-T4 promises 30 minutes of 4K/30 and 20 minutes of 4K/60........

The fact that the EOS R5 can shoot two hours of 4K/30p footage (in line-skipping mode) when sitting in direct sunshine suggests it’s pretty good at dissipating heat. But it seems trying to do so with 1.7x more data than the a7 III and X-T4 is a step too far: it’ll match them for promised recording duration but only just. This leaves it much more sensitive to any other use when not recording
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He also points out the R6 doesn't cool down as effectively as the R5.

I'm not 100% sure if he's saying the R5 and R6 are the same as every other camera in this regard or not? Is Canon being overcautious ( maybe mindful of the ...... ermmmm .... heat, Sony got for high temperatures a couple of years ago ) by shutting it down whereas others let it go?

It doesn't seem any worse than others including Fuji ( I say this as a fanboy of Fuji BTW )
 
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As a completely stills photographer I don't really care, but at the same time, I'm also kind of interested in this overheating video thing. I read this in Dpreview:

"With the exception of specialist video models, most cameras that shoot 4K are prone to overheating, regardless of the brand. Some companies let you extend the recording time by ignoring overheat warnings (and risk ‘low-temperature burns’ if you handhold the camera), while others simply stop when they get too hot. This should make it clear that shooting 4K for an extended period is difficult. For instance, Sony says the a7 III will shoot around 29 minutes of 4K video with the temperature warnings set to ‘Std,’ while the Fujifilm X-T4 promises 30 minutes of 4K/30 and 20 minutes of 4K/60........

The fact that the EOS R5 can shoot two hours of 4K/30p footage (in line-skipping mode) when sitting in direct sunshine suggests it’s pretty good at dissipating heat. But it seems trying to do so with 1.7x more data than the a7 III and X-T4 is a step too far: it’ll match them for promised recording duration but only just. This leaves it much more sensitive to any other use when not recording
."

He also points out the R6 doesn't cool down as effectively as the R5.

I'm not 100% sure if he's saying the R5 and R6 are the same as every other camera in this regard or not? Is Canon being overcautious ( maybe mindful of the ...... ermmmm .... heat, Sony got for high temperatures a couple of years ago ) by shutting it down whereas others let it go?

It doesn't seem any worse than others including Fuji ( I say this as a fanboy of Fuji BTW )

People are jumping all over the overheat warning like it's a huge thing, it's not, all brands have done it over the years and it's well recorded in the manuals of each camera. Do yourself a favour and search any milc that records 4k and add the term overheat. It's just the big YouTube hit at the moment because F all else is getting hits for those guys... Besides the reason they are leaving YouTube and joining twitch to make more money.
 
People are jumping all over the overheat warning like it's a huge thing, it's not, all brands have done it over the years and it's well recorded in the manuals of each camera. Do yourself a favour and search any milc that records 4k and add the term overheat. It's just the big YouTube hit at the moment because F all else is getting hits for those guys... Besides the reason they are leaving YouTube and joining twitch to make more money.

Agree with all of that, apart from the Twitch thing, because I have no idea what it is :D

I'm off to google it
 
People are jumping all over the overheat warning like it's a huge thing, it's not, all brands have done it over the years and it's well recorded in the manuals of each camera. Do yourself a favour and search any milc that records 4k and add the term overheat. It's just the big YouTube hit at the moment because F all else is getting hits for those guys... Besides the reason they are leaving YouTube and joining twitch to make more money.
TBH I just wish a manufacturer would bring out a stills only line, allowing us that don't shoot video to have a camera without paying for features we don't need ;)
 
Received my r5 last Friday... taken it out a few times and super impressed with it. I have no intention of using it for video...

I've upgraded from a 5dMkIII and there is a huge jump in the quality of images. I mainly shoot landscapes and there is a massive improvement in recovering shadow detail with practically no noise. Highlights similarly are well handled and I feel like I have a lot more leeway with sunrise/sunset images without having to bracket so much.

Good points

EVF - Switch on the high refresh setting and this thing is amazing. Being able to see what the camera is going to capture is superb... no more trying to remember what I saw through the viewfinder and attempt to mimic it in Lightroom several hours later!

Focus Peaking - Cracking feature, I love being able to move the focus point around on eth screen and have a little dial tell me when the focus is on point, makes focus stacking a lot quicker and easier!

AF Tracking - So far the animal tracking has worked on Bee's, birds and a horses arse. It only seems to have trouble when the eye is dark and the surrounding bits are also Dark (Magpie's for instance) - seems bob on for Humans so far.

Bad (ish) Points

Playback button - When holding in portrait mode and looking through the viewfinder my palm keeps hitting the playback button, which is quickly getting annoying!

Lightroom /Photoshop - I'm already fed up with having to use the adobe DNG conversion tool to prepare images for import to LIghtroom/Photoshop. Not a Canon issue but come on Adobe, chop chop!

I'll post more updates as and when I get out to use it!
 
People are jumping all over the overheat warning like it's a huge thing, it's not, all brands have done it over the years and it's well recorded in the manuals of each camera. Do yourself a favour and search any milc that records 4k and add the term overheat. It's just the big YouTube hit at the moment because F all else is getting hits for those guys... Besides the reason they are leaving YouTube and joining twitch to make more money.

Thats a bit of a fanboy statement if I’ve ever seen one.[emoji23]

The reason it’s getting so much press is the fact that they touted this 8k video market leader camera.( Non cine cams)
most of and all the leading marketing was on video and how this would re take the crown in the video market like the 5d2.
When in fact if you want it to not over heat you have to shoot 4K/30 which by all reviews is soft compared to most of the older cameras.
Then the fact it over heats when shooting stills and in any mode takes longer than your shot to cool down and only lets you re shoot a few minutes kind of makes these killer stats only that... stats.
They didn’t cripple this camera specs this time, just cropped it in actual performance. For a £4K camera people expected better.
It’s not being blown out of hand when it’s actually happened to EVERY user that has reviewed it, had it happened to one or two then yes is would have been over blown.

Had they advertised this as the leading stills camera that could shoot 4K(no one actually needs 8k, or has the computer’s to even render it easily) then it wouldn’t be getting the stick it’s getting.

I bet bar video this is going to be classed. As a leading camera, but the video side might have cost it notion of going down as a classic like the d700/ 5dmk2.. even though they did both have issues.
 
Thats a bit of a fanboy statement if I’ve ever seen one.[emoji23]

The reason it’s getting so much press is the fact that they touted this 8k video market leader camera.( Non cine cams)
most of and all the leading marketing was on video and how this would re take the crown in the video market like the 5d2.
When in fact if you want it to not over heat you have to shoot 4K/30 which by all reviews is soft compared to most of the older cameras.
Then the fact it over heats when shooting stills and in any mode takes longer than your shot to cool down and only lets you re shoot a few minutes kind of makes these killer stats only that... stats.
They didn’t cripple this camera specs this time, just cropped it in actual performance. For a £4K camera people expected better.
It’s not being blown out of hand when it’s actually happened to EVERY user that has reviewed it, had it happened to one or two then yes is would have been over blown.

Had they advertised this as the leading stills camera that could shoot 4K(no one actually needs 8k, or has the computer’s to even render it easily) then it wouldn’t be getting the stick it’s getting.

I bet bar video this is going to be classed. As a leading camera, but the video side might have cost it notion of going down as a classic like the d700/ 5dmk2.. even though they did both have issues.

No, the Sonys never got anywhere near as much attention when they were all overheating when 4k first became a thing and like I said, pretty much all the brands overheat when shooting 4k.

So are you saying its not the market leader for 8k in a non cine cam? Or are there other 8k FF MILC non cine cams on the market? 8K is not for average Joe they are targeting the top end and pushing technology.

It gets hot and overheats, thats been acknowledged by Canon and the recording limits are provided in the manual and its not been touted as a dedicated video camera.
 
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Received my r5 last Friday... taken it out a few times and super impressed with it.

AF Tracking - So far the animal tracking has worked on Bee's, birds and a horses arse.
:eek: That's impressive (maybe not the horses arse though).

Thanks for the mini review, looking to buy one as soon as things have settled down. Please keep the posts coming and maybe show some pics?
 
TBH I just wish a manufacturer would bring out a stills only line, allowing us that don't shoot video to have a camera without paying for features we don't need ;)

That would be good, though right now I'd settle for a few more reviews like Gordon Laing's excellent stills-centric video linked above. Most vloggers are wrong to assume that their own personal use case is representative of the majority. Nobody else needs to spend hours running 8k at a talking head, blathering mindlessly just to produce a 10 minute YouTube clip. Buy a bluddy video camera.
 
No, the Sonys never got anywhere near as much attention when they were all overheating when 4k first became a thing and like I said, pretty much all the brands overheat when shooting 4k.

So are you saying its not the market leader for 8k in a non cine cam? Or are there other 8k FF MILC non cine cams on the market? 8K is not for average Joe they are targeting the top end and pushing technology.

It gets hot and overheats, thats been acknowledged by Canon and the recording limits are provided in the manual and its not been touted as a dedicated video camera.

If you want to be pedantic then yes it is the market leader in 8k FF MILC as it’s the only one that offers it.. but is it just really a headline grabbing detail.. YES

Is it actually of use to shoot anything proper ..no.

The over heating means no one in There right mind would use the 8k in any professional manner.
No one will Use it for weddings, advertising or small productions if it craps the bed in under 30min and can’t be used for another 30.

Having this functionality is only worth while if it actually works properly and can be used properly.


The Sony’s and others might shut down if hot but they don’t take ages to re start and then become able to only shoot 5-10% of the original time limit.

Everyone isn’t just pointing this out to hate on canon as you seem to think, even the canon users and ambassadors pointed this out as a major issue.

I’m not pointing this out as a Sony user, if more people bar the two that have said so find the a7s3 over heats a lot I will flame that also as it is advised as a video centric camera.
I said before had canon said this is the best stills camera and can if you really want do video but has this issue then people wouldn’t be so bothered, why do you think the R6 isn’t getting flamed about it’s over heating as much.
 
It's not just allowing you to go low on the ss for stills, I've found ibis really beneficial for using old lenses, 200F4 vintage for example, really steadies your composition. I don't shoot all that much at longer ss but I still appreciate ibis a heck of a lot for times like this. Even using an 85mm on apsc, which I am at the moment, composing the shot is so much smoother.

I normally aim for at least a x1 focal length v shutter speed ratio or hopefully even more, so with my longest lens which is a MFT 400mm, I'd apply a x2 crop factor and think of as an 800mm and I'd be aiming for 1/800 to 1/1,000 plus or more unless it was a static subject in which case I have used that lens with double digit shutter speeds where IS does definitely help. But. My point is that I personally don't need game changing IS for what I take pictures of and normal every day standard IS will do just fine. The only applications I can think of for class leading IS for me would be to make moving people transparent, silky water shots or maybe high res multiple picture blending, none of which I tend to bother with.

This was all prompted by talk of how good the latest IS is. I remember similar excitement when Olympus brought something out with very good IS and at that time I couldn't think of a use I'd put it to either. As I said, good luck to those who do have a use for very good IS but I don't think exceptional IS would influence me when looking at new kit as mostly it doesn't matter all that much to me and the standard every day IS will do me just fine :D
 
If you want to be pedantic then yes it is the market leader in 8k FF MILC as it’s the only one that offers it.. but is it just really a headline grabbing detail.. YES

Is it actually of use to shoot anything proper ..no.

The over heating means no one in There right mind would use the 8k in any professional manner.
No one will Use it for weddings, advertising or small productions if it craps the bed in under 30min and can’t be used for another 30.

Having this functionality is only worth while if it actually works properly and can be used properly.


The Sony’s and others might shut down if hot but they don’t take ages to re start and then become able to only shoot 5-10% of the original time limit.

Everyone isn’t just pointing this out to hate on canon as you seem to think, even the canon users and ambassadors pointed this out as a major issue.

I’m not pointing this out as a Sony user, if more people bar the two that have said so find the a7s3 over heats a lot I will flame that also as it is advised as a video centric camera.
I said before had canon said this is the best stills camera and can if you really want do video but has this issue then people wouldn’t be so bothered, why do you think the R6 isn’t getting flamed about it’s over heating as much.

Of course its headline grabbing, its a great feature for professional users who will add it as a B cam or mix the footage with their 8K cine cams. Since when do they shoot movies in one take? People are already using the camera for professional shoots (its still early days anyway) and a lot of them will be using an Atomos which gives over an hour of run time without overheat warning... AFAIK DPR were the first to test this very recently.... after all the vloggers were complaining. Cant add 8k to the A7siii or more MP to make it a better hybrid.

Those two people who have said it overheats under repeated testing arent just nobodys that havent used the camera rehashing someone elses content. Time will tell if there is a bigger issue.
 
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Good article here:


"The Canon EOS R5, then, could ultimately prove to be the better pro hybrid camera for those who predominantly shoot stills, alongside short video clips. While it doesn't appear to be well-suited to being the primary 4K camera on a pro video shoot – and to be fair to Canon, this was never its claim – the EOS R5 is a formidable 45MP camera with some impressive video features."

That seems a balanced and fair view away from all the arguments and hysteria
 
View: https://youtu.be/qDXPiu3wpBs


Pretty much what I said in the post before.
Great stills, rubbish vid ,marketed wrong
And this is what bugs me, alluding to my earlier post. Pure still photographers like myself are forced to pay for features we don't want (i.e. video), and then to rub salt into the wounds these features 'appear' to be half-baked :(

Surely there's a market for stills only isn't there?
 
And this is what bugs me, alluding to my earlier post. Pure still photographers like myself are forced to pay for features we don't want (i.e. video), and then to rub salt into the wounds these features 'appear' to be half-baked :(

Surely there's a market for stills only isn't there?

It's a brand new Canon camera. Even with stills only it wouldnt be a cheap camera.
 
It's a brand new Canon camera. Even with stills only it wouldnt be a cheap camera.
No, but as a stills tog you're still paying for features you don't need :(
 
They would be limiting their customer base in a declining market.
Yeah I know they know the market better than myself, but I can't help think that there'd be plenty enough folk that would appreciate a stills only line, especially if they were 2/3 price for example. A Stills only R5 at £3k would be much more appealing and affordable than the 'hybrid' R5. Likewise my A7RIV, I gladly sacrifice the video if the camera was £500 or so cheaper.
 
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