Single adults banned from falconry displays in case they're paedophiles...

I'm wondering if a suggestion, implied or otherwise, that a person is a paedophile - could be viewed as slander or defamation?
That is exactly my point. Surely if they refuse admission to a single male on the grounds that he could be a paedophile then that is an implicit accusation and therefore he could sue them for damages on those grounds?
 
That is exactly my point. Surely if they refuse admission to a single male on the grounds that he could be a paedophile then that is an implicit accusation and therefore he could sue them for damages on those grounds?

I'm hoping the gentleman at the heart of this story gets some good legal advice, for precisely that reason! As far as Terms and Conditions go, I thought that for them to be valid or enforceable they had to be both fair and reasonable. That would be the case if the facilities were dangerous to adults (we know they are not because of the adults only sessions) but the paedophilia assertions are surely unacceptable.
 
That is exactly my point. Surely if they refuse admission to a single male on the grounds that he could be a paedophile then that is an implicit accusation and therefore he could sue them for damages on those grounds?
Well, it worked for Lord McAlpine when Sally Bercow tweeted about him, even though the allegation was entirely implicit. But then the allegation was that he was (or had been) a paedophile, rather than that he might be one. I don't know enough about the law to appreciate the subtleties of this distinction.
 
I'm hoping the gentleman at the heart of this story gets some good legal advice,.

see , i'm not as nice as you, I kinda hope he doesn't - because then he'll lose in court which will be a more fitting end to this sorry saga ;)
 
Well, it worked for Lord McAlpine when Sally Bercow tweeted about him, even though the allegation was entirely implicit. But then the allegation was that he was (or had been) a paedophile, rather than that he might be one. I don't know enough about the law to appreciate the subtleties of this distinction.

I suspect that is probably the crux of the matter, anone might be anything - you might secretly be a space octopus in human form , but you can't sue me for defamation unless i say that you definitely are.
 
If the park owner won't change the ridiculous T&C's, all he needs to do is put up a large fence/screen around any obviously kiddies only equipment & implement different entrance charges.
 
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If the park owner won't change the these ridiculous T&C's, all he needs to do is put up a large fence/screen around any obviously kiddies only equipment & implement different entrance charges.

I would think that the majority of his visitors couldn't care a toss and are happy to see his rule implemented ……. the "good ole" British public in action

Has the local MP voiced an opinion yet?
 
I would think that the majority of his visitors couldn't care a toss and are happy to see his rule implemented ……. the "good ole" British public in action

more likely they don't just give a toss either way if it doesnt effect them
 
I would think that the majority of his visitors couldn't care a toss and are happy to see his rule implemented ……. the "good ole" British public in action

That's right, unfortunately. I imagine the rules will appeal to most of the visitors and for that reason the matter will probably have little impact upon visitor numbers or popularity. But the story has at least highlighted the lunacy of the whole thing and brought it to public attention, and it does appear that an overwhelming majority thinks it's a load of b*llox. So perhaps there is hope after all, perhaps this will encourage other parks to think twice before imposing regulations which are essentially groundless.
 
Richard, I have no idea if all of the reviews which were removed included people who have entered (or more precisely, attempted to enter) the park or not - and neither would trip advisor. Some of them looked quite genuine to me - I would be surprised to think the gentleman in question will have been the only single visitor to have been turned away. That is my point really. This can just as easily be the case with any trip advisor review of any similar park. And as I said, if I were planning on going to such a place I would be grateful for that kind of information, since it wasn't immediately obvious on the Puxton website and was in fact buried further down. After all, what was being reported is true and accurate information, and certainly very useful to people considering a visit. Not only that, it wouldn't even occur to me to believe that such terms exist, and like others if I lived in the locality and heard about a falconry display it's quite likely I would have made an effort to go, only to be turned away.

We may be at cross purposes here, so I apologise for being overly blunt!

I had not seen any of the negative reviews on tripadvisor which were removed and I assumed they were as a result of the recent news. The problem as I see it is the review site is now getting flooded by opinions from people who would otherwise never have heard of the place. I agree it is useful to have the information freely available but I still stand by the fact that opinions from people who have not planned a visit to the site help no-one. That said on reflection based on your comments had someone planned a visit and found out about this policy during their planning (ie before being turned away...) then a suitable review would be a good use of tripadvisor or other sites.

I still don't think tripadvisor are removing reviews by request though.
 
That's right, unfortunately. I imagine the rules will appeal to most of the visitors and for that reason the matter will probably have little impact upon visitor numbers or popularity. But the story has at least highlighted the lunacy of the whole thing and brought it to public attention, and it does appear that an overwhelming majority thinks it's a load of b*llox. So perhaps there is hope after all, perhaps this will encourage other parks to think twice before imposing regulations which are essentially groundless.

Not sure that in the UK an "an overwhelming majority thinks it's a load of b*llox" …… that's the problem …… we are being "conditioned" by Government, Press reporting, what is happening in Social Services etc., etc. to be "afraid"

As you probably know, I live in France and it still amuses me how many guys stop their car at the side of the road to have a p1ss in full view of everyone ……. not saying I agree with it, apart from putting nitrogen back into the soil, but you know what I mean.
I've even seen them p1ssing in the centre of Bordeaux in the street in full view

Some mixed toilets also still exist in france
 
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Look, it all boils down to a case of a good intentions being misdirected slightly. I don't think it's the park management's fault, they just haven't thought it through fully. They are obviously very worried about the safety of the children especially since their local mayor visited the park and was subsequently convicted on child abuse charges. They should have just banned all mayors from visiting the park. Imagine if you had to worry about Boris Johnson creeping up on you on a day trip to London Zoo, and goodness knows who Manchester is about to get lumbered with. Alternatively, ban the children. I mean, why are they not in school anyway?

And when did all these rules about kids get rewritten? When I was a youngster I was told a child should be seen and not heard. Photographing them seems the perfect way of carrying that philosophy forward...
 
As you probably know, I live in France and it still amuses me how many guys stop their car at the side of the road to have a p1ss in full view of everyone ……. not saying I agree with it, apart from putting nitrogen back into the soil, but you know what I mean.

Gérard Depardieu did it on a plane once...
 
I'm wondering if a suggestion, implied or otherwise, that a person is a paedophile - could be viewed as slander or defamation?

Only if directed to an idividual. I don't think you would get very fair on the premise of all single adults being thought of as potential paedophiles.


Steve.
 
The problem with most of the human race is that they are always trying to F……k someone or thing

It's in the DNA

(If you watch "Missing" on TV which is compelling, there is a cameo in there of how a guy is trying to deal with his problem/illness)
 
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I am against the Parks rules in this respect

but I think that people should only post a review if they have been …….. otherwise credibility is lost and it just becomes a "witch hunt"
 
Not sure that in the UK an "an overwhelming majority thinks it's a load of b*llox" …… that's the problem …… we are being "conditioned" by Government, Press reporting, what is happening in Social Services etc., etc. to be "afraid"

As you probably know, I live in France and it still amuses me how many guys stop their car at the side of the road to have a p1ss in full view of everyone ……. not saying I agree with it, apart from putting nitrogen back into the soil, but you know what I mean.
I've even seen them p1ssing in the centre of Bordeaux in the street in full view

Some mixed toilets also still exist in france

I'm going by all the comments I've read on this particular matter, in various locations. I've seen very few people (hardly any in fact) agreeing with the stance this Park is taking.

But otherwise, yes, there is far too much paranoia and suspicion in the UK - it's a joke. It seems to me that an awful lot of parents simply cannot think rationally these days - and at the same time they are of course themselves doing the very things they are complaining that others do - absolute hypocrisy in my eyes.

As for p***ing by the road, I see this fairly regularly in the UK. In fact I was on Brighton beach a few months ago trying to take some pictures of the pier and a guy was walking past talking on his mobile phone and he stopped about 3 feet away for a wazz - didn't even pause in his conversation. You see the same kind of thing walking through towns or city centres after the pubs kick out. But having said that - I can understand that it is more prevalent in France! Not sure how we got onto the subject of weeing in public :LOL:
 
I am against the Parks rules in this respect

but I think that people should only post a review if they have been …….. otherwise credibility is lost and it just becomes a "witch hunt"

I feel that if the information posted is true and accurate, and potentially very helpful to other visitors, then it is entirely credible. With that in mind, being "gagged" is wrong in my view.
 
Only if directed to an idividual. I don't think you would get very fair on the premise of all single adults being thought of as potential paedophiles.

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So if a single visitor went to this Park and was refused admittance, and asked why, and was told "because you could be a paedophile and we operate a stringent child protection policy" - that would not be cause enough for a legal complaint? So it looks like somebody is presumed to be a criminal of the worst kind even when there is no evidence at all to suggest they would pose any danger whatsoever.
 
I feel that if the information posted is true and accurate, and potentially very helpful to other visitors, then it is entirely credible. With that in mind, being "gagged" is wrong in my view.

What I am saying is that there is no point in say me, posting a disparaging review, just because I disagree with the Park's policies, as I have never been to the place.

If anyone feels strongly against it they should complain in the appropriate way rather than starting a Facebook campaign. The situation needs to be dealt with sensibly and not emotionally

I would suggest that a letter to an MP, but be careful who you choose, would bring the matter to light as effectively

If the guy is not braking the law, little can be done and as I said he will probably be supported or apathetically ignored by all his visitors, (except of course the one adult parties), especially if their kids have a marvellous day out ……. any Facebook campaign could back fire
 
Type in 'Alistair Mead conviction' into Google as this thread is hit 5 on page 1 !!

Reading this here: http://www.thewestonmercury.co.uk/news/business_director_in_court_1_3058711 I would say people need to speak to the local councillor there. Oh hang on, apparently he is the son of the newly-elected North Somerset Council and Weston Town Council representative Derek Mead! (2013)
 
I am against the Parks rules in this respect

but I think that people should only post a review if they have been …….. otherwise credibility is lost and it just becomes a "witch hunt"

I see what you mean,but hasn't there been a kind of witch hunt against single people by saying their all could be pedophiles ?
 
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So if a single visitor went to this Park and was refused admittance, and asked why, and was told "because you could be a paedophile and we operate a stringent child protection policy"

Perhaps if he got it in writing. Verbal evidence isn't worth the paper it's written on!


Steve.
 
I see what you mean,but hasn't their a kind of witch hunt against single people by saying their all could be pedophiles ?

I totally disapprove of what the Park are doing, but one "witch hunt" does not justify the other. Venting anger on the internet from behind an anonymous keyboard can lead to no good if taken too far.

IMHO it certainly will not reduce the numbers who visit or cause the Park financial hardship …… and some of the negative reviews that I have seen will almost increase the numbers……… I bet they will have record numbers at the weekend if the weather is good ………..
 
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I totally disapprove of what the Park are doing, but one "witch hunt" does not justify the other. Venting anger on the internet from behind an anonymous keyboard can lead to no good if taken too far.

IMHO it certainly will not reduce the numbers who visit or cause the Park financial hardship …… and some of the negative reviews that I have seen will almost increase the numbers……… I bet they will have record numbers at the weekend if the weather is good ………..

Bill, I think "witch hunt" is too strong a term in this instance. Nor do I feel that the response of the public is an emotional one. In fact I believe it is the park which has acted emotionally (rather than with foresight or evidence) by banning single adults. I'm a great believer in my right to an opinion, and to free speech, and I think it's perfectly understandable that there should be a degree of public outrage to what is a very clear incidence of discrimination. We can of course write to higher authorities, and I believe that everyone should do that (however in my experience it doesn't seem to achieve anything) as a matter of principle. But in cases like this, it's unavoidable that the wider public will get involved, in fact that can be a very effective course of action and I feel the comments so far are justified - certainly not inappropriate or threatening. In setting forth terms of entry which are extreme or prejudicial the park must accept that at some point there will be complaints and perhaps a backlash, it's their choice after all. They have handled the response very badly in my opinion, by putting out a statement which has more holes than a punch card.

However I do agree that visitor numbers will probably not be reduced, simply because their key client group will not be affected.
 
Bill, I think "witch hunt" is too strong a term in this instance. Nor do I feel that the response of the public is an emotional one. In fact I believe it is the park which has acted emotionally (rather than with foresight or evidence) by banning single adults. I'm a great believer in my right to an opinion, and to free speech, and I think it's perfectly understandable that there should be a degree of public outrage to what is a very clear incidence of discrimination. We can of course write to higher authorities, and I believe that everyone should do that (however in my experience it doesn't seem to achieve anything) as a matter of principle. But in cases like this, it's unavoidable that the wider public will get involved, in fact that can be a very effective course of action and I feel the comments so far are justified - certainly not inappropriate or threatening. In setting forth terms of entry which are extreme or prejudicial the park must accept that at some point there will be complaints and perhaps a backlash, it's their choice after all. They have handled the response very badly in my opinion, by putting out a statement which has more holes than a punch card.

However I do agree that visitor numbers will probably not be reduced, simply because their key client group will not be affected.

fair enough Lindsay, and I do agree with your sentiments, but just playing devils advocate

I can almost see them saying, believing what they appear to believe, that

"Your kids are safe with us, we ban single adults"

and the general public saying, that's great, why would single adults want to go to a Children's Amusement park anyway
 
I think it also said in the terms of entry that if you were a lone adult meeting someone in the Park then a member of staff would announce you over the tannoy and/or escort you to meet your family/friends. That must be an utterly humiliating process to go through, and thoroughly embarrassing for all concerned.
 
a member of staff would announce you over the tannoy and/or escort you to meet your family/friends. That must be an utterly humiliating process to go through, and thoroughly embarrassing for all concerned.
A "lost adult" announcement,
rather than a lost child announcement?
I'm sure I'd enjoy that too ;)
 
I think it also said in the terms of entry that if you were a lone adult meeting someone in the Park then a member of staff would announce you over the tannoy and/or escort you to meet your family/friends. That must be an utterly humiliating process to go through, and thoroughly embarrassing for all concerned.

Well this is a place I won't be able to visit any time soon - I don't have kids. A bizarre policy to say the least. Can't say I've ever been in a position where I've felt uncomfortable being a single male.

On a lighter note, think of the fun you could have! I quite fancy turning up and asking them to announce my arrival over the tannoy. Obviously I'd tell them my name was Wayne King or Mike Oxlong ...
 
Perhaps the single people that are refused entry could hang around the entrance to the park and wait for another single to turn up and then both go in together. ;)
 
Perhaps the single people that are refused entry could hang around the entrance to the park and wait for another single to turn up and then both go in together. ;)
Yeah that'd work :D
 
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