The Formula 1 / IndyCar Thread

[Ricardodaforce]

Really enjoyed that. Some hard but very fair racing there.

 

[JohnC6]

Brilliant end to the race though. I'd like to see a "no pitting under safety car" rule brought in, it does give a major advantage to those that can take it.

Is that the last race for a while ? I hope so.

The heads-up for these Formula1 races on Five Live with screaming car engines compounded by a screaming commentator do my head in. I have to make a hurried dash to the radio to turn it off as I've found that's marginally quicker than turning down the volume to zero . Sometimes there isn't any warning the producers just go straight in. The football heads-up can be irritating too bu at least that's just the maniacal voice of the commentator. Jonathon Pearce is (was) the worst..I think. Since joining the BBC he's toned it down a bit.

 

[Cockney]

I felt sorry for George. He told the Marshall to leave the car alone. When he got back they had put it on a flatbed and he couldn't restart because he'd had outside assistance.
He thought he could restart and limp back to pits on 3 wheels.

 

[Ricardodaforce]

 

[AgentOrange76]

Is that the last race for a while ? I hope so.

Nope, Austria next weekend and then a fortnight later there are 4 on consecutive weekends.

 

[Cockney]

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Bloody norah. Lucky fella.

 

[moggi1964]

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Not sure T-Cut on its own is gonna get that back in a racing condition. Might need gaffer tape as well

Incredible safety built into these cars and tracks nowadays.

 

[Dale.]

It was a shocker of a crash.

Thank God for catch fencing, survival cells, the halo and safer fuel tanks. If fuel had spilled, that would be a different story, he was trapped for quite a few, long minutes.

 

[Cockney]

Slightly mercenary but whats that crash cost the team, £15m ?

 

[Nod]

Nah - they'll be able to rescue the wheel nuts. Possibly!

More seriously, a testament to today's safety features, from the survival cell through the halo to the crash fencing and the marshals.

 

[KevC]

2022 FORMULA 1 ROLEX GROSSER PREIS VON ÖSTERREICH

Red Bull Ring
Lap data
Lap length 4.326km (2.688 miles)
Race laps 71
Race distance 307.02km (190.773 miles)
Pole position Left-hand side of the track
Lap record* 1’05.609 (Carlos Sainz Jnr, 2020)
Fastest lap 1’02.939 (Valtteri Bottas, 2020, qualifying three)
Maximum speed 327.4kph (203.437 mph)
Distance from grid to turn one 216.94m
Full throttle 79%
Longest flat-out section 868m
Downforce level Low/medium
Gear changes per lap 32
Fuel use per lap 1.48kg
Time penalty per lap of fuel 0.056s
Pit lane time loss 16.1s

UK Times
Friday 8th July 2022
Austrian Grand Prix Free Practice 1: 12:30
Austrian Grand Prix Qualifying: 16:00
Saturday 9th July 2022
Austrian Grand Prix Free Practice 2: 11:30
Austrian Grand Prix Sprint race: 15:30
Sunday 10th July 2022
Austrian Grand Prix: 14:00

Previous Winners
2014 Germany Nico Rosberg Mercedes Red Bull Ring
2015 Germany Nico Rosberg Mercedes
2016 United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
2017 Finland Valtteri Bottas Mercedes
2018 Netherlands Max Verstappen Red Bull Racing-TAG Heuer
2019 Netherlands Max Verstappen Red Bull Racing-Honda
2020 Finland Valtteri Bottas Mercedes
2021 Netherlands Max Verstappen Red Bull Racing-Honda


Videos

Schumacher 2003 A1 Ring

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yh4N8lzns_M


Verstappen 2021

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XusLng_b0YU




Standings

 

[KevC]

Sprint race weekend.

 

[onomatopoeia]

Busy evening for the Mercedes mechanics!

 

[Ricardodaforce]

Ecclestone has been charged with fraud.

 

[Nod]

And is apparently out of the country. If I was him, I'd stay put somewhere that has no extradition agreement with the UK and enjoy the last few years.

 

[Dave Canon]

Is no one else bothered by the orange smoke. It cannot be good for their health and anyone with Asthma could be in real trouble. It is so selfish and spoilt some of the camera shots of the race and award ceremony. Some of these same Dutch "fans" are also spoiling the cycle racing. Max should discourage this not encourage.

Dave

 

[KevC]

2022 FORMULA 1 LENOVO GRAND PRIX DE FRANCE

Circuit Paul Ricard
Lap data
Lap length 5.842km (3.63 miles)
Race laps 53
Race distance 309.626km (192.393 miles)
Pole position Left-hand side of the track
Lap record* 1’32.740 (Sebastian Vettel, 2019)
Fastest lap 1’28.319 (Lewis Hamilton, 2019, qualifying three)
DRS zone one Detection: 75 metres before turn seven
Activation: 170 metres after turn seven
DRS zone two Detection: On turn 14
Activation: 115 metres after turn 15

UK Times
Friday 22nd July 2022
French Grand Prix Free Practice 1: 13:00
French Grand Prix Free Practice 2: 16:00
Saturday 23rd July 2022
French Grand Prix Free Practice 2: 12:00
French Grand Prix Qualifying: 15:00
Sunday 24th July 2022
French Grand Prix: 14:00

Previous Winners
2000 United Kingdom David Coulthard McLaren-Mercedes Magny-Cours
2001 Germany Michael Schumacher Ferrari
2002 Germany Michael Schumacher Ferrari
2003 Germany Ralf Schumacher Williams-BMW
2004 Germany Michael Schumacher Ferrari
2005 Spain Fernando Alonso Renault
2006 Germany Michael Schumacher Ferrari
2007 Finland Kimi Räikkönen Ferrari
2008 Brazil Felipe Massa Ferrari
2009–2017 Not held
2018 United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton Mercedes Paul Ricard
2019 United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton Mercedes Paul Ricard
2020 Not held due to the pandemic
2021 Netherlands Max Verstappen Red Bull Racing-Honda Paul Ricard


Videos

Hamilton

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Rmx088iAqc


Schumacher 2002 Magny Cours

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdvJLsaIOQA



Standings

 

[KevC]

2022 FORMULA 1 ARAMCO MAGYAR NAGYDÍJ

Hungaroring
Lap data
Lap length 4.381km (2.722 miles)
Race laps 70
Race distance 306.67km (190.556 miles)
Pole position Left-hand side of the track
Lap record* 1’17.103 (Max Verstappen, 2019)
Fastest lap 1’14.572 (Max Verstappen, 2019, qualifying three)
Maximum speed 315kph (195.732 mph)
Distance from grid to turn one 618m
Full throttle 50%
Longest flat-out section 908m
Downforce level High
Fuel use per lap 1.5kg
Time penalty per lap of fuel 0.059s
Pit lane time loss 20s

UK Times
Friday 29th July 2022
French Grand Prix Free Practice 1: 13:00
French Grand Prix Free Practice 2: 16:00
Saturday 30th July 2022
French Grand Prix Free Practice 2: 12:00
French Grand Prix Qualifying: 15:00
Sunday 31st July 2022
French Grand Prix: 14:00

Previous Winners
2000 Finland Mika Häkkinen McLaren-Mercedes
2001 Germany Michael Schumacher Ferrari
2002 Brazil Rubens Barrichello Ferrari
2003 Spain Fernando Alonso Renault
2004 Germany Michael Schumacher Ferrari
2005 Finland Kimi Räikkönen McLaren-Mercedes
2006 United Kingdom Jenson Button Honda
2007 United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes
2008 Finland Heikki Kovalainen McLaren-Mercedes
2009 United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes
2010 Australia Mark Webber Red Bull Racing-Renault
2011 United Kingdom Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes
2012 United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes
2013 United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
2014 Australia Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull Racing-Renault
2015 Germany Sebastian Vettel Ferrari
2016 United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
2017 Germany Sebastian Vettel Ferrari Report
2018 United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
2019 United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
2020 United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
2021 France Esteban Ocon Alpine-Renault


Videos

Hamilton 2020

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Lv17Hxq6D4


Kimi 2001

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJbJ3zzFY0I



Standings

 

[Dale.]

Vettel to retire at the end of the season.

 

[Ricardodaforce]

Porsche to buy 50% of Red Bull Technology.

 

[Fuji Dave]

Well done Max driver of the day, yet again Ferrari mess up.

 

[huffy]

Alonso to join Aston Martin.

Fernando Alonso joins Aston Martin for 2023 F1 season on multi-year deal

www.autosport.com

 

[Ricardodaforce]

Alonso to join Aston Martin.

Fernando Alonso joins Aston Martin for 2023 F1 season on multi-year deal

www.autosport.com

Shame that, I can’t see them getting better in the short term.

As for Alonso, he’s really is just awesome.

 

[huffy]

Honda to stay as engine partners to Red Bull for the current generation of engines.

Honda to continue Red Bull technical support deal to the end of 2025

Honda agrees to extend its agreement to supply technical support to Red Bull in Formula 1 until the end of 2025.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Ricardodaforce]

Oscar Piastri confirmed at Alpine.

 

[Ricardodaforce]

Well thats now taken an interesting turn!

 

[Ricardodaforce]

Ricciardo won’t be driving for McLaren next year

 

[KevC]

2022 FORMULA 1 ROLEX BELGIAN GRAND PRIX

Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps
Lap data
Lap length 7.004km (4.352 miles)
Race laps 44
Race distance 308.052km (191.415 miles)
Pole position Right-hand side of the track
Lap record* 1’46.286 (Valtteri Bottas, 2018)
Fastest lap 1’41.252 (Lewis Hamilton, 2020, qualifying three)
Maximum speed 319.6kph (198.59 mph)
Distance from grid to turn one 271m
Full throttle 70%
Longest flat-out section 2,015m
Downforce level Medium
Gear changes per lap 42
Fuel use per lap 2.39kg
Time penalty per lap of fuel 0.098s
DRS zone one Detection: 240 metres before turn two
Activation: 230 metres after turn four
DRS zone two Detection: 160 metres before turn 18
Activation: 30 metres after turn 19
Pit lane time loss 17.4s

UK Times
Friday 26th August 2022
Belgian Grand Prix Free Practice 1: 13:00
Belgian Grand Prix Free Practice 2: 16:00
Saturday 27th August 2022
Belgian Grand Prix Free Practice 3: 12:00
Belgian Grand Prix Qualifying: 15:00
Sunday 28th August 2022
Belgian Grand Prix: 14:00

Previous Winners
2000 Finland Mika Häkkinen McLaren-Mercedes
2001 Germany Michael Schumacher Ferrari
2002 Germany Michael Schumacher Ferrari
2003 Not held
2004 Finland Kimi Räikkönen McLaren-Mercedes
2005 Finland Kimi Räikkönen McLaren-Mercedes
2006 Not held
2007 Finland Kimi Räikkönen Ferrari
2008 Brazil Felipe Massa Ferrari
2009 Finland Kimi Räikkönen Ferrari
2010 United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes
2011 Germany Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault
2012 United Kingdom Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes
2013 Germany Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault
2014 Australia Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull-Renault
2015 United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
2016 Germany Nico Rosberg Mercedes
2017 United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
2018 Germany Sebastian Vettel Ferrari
2019 Monaco Charles Leclerc Ferrari
2020 United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
2021 Netherlands Max Verstappen Red Bull Racing-Honda


Videos

Alonso helmet cam 2021

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBJWLDEexDo


Patrese 1990

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSiL8CCvbAE



Standings

 

[huffy]

Ricciardo won’t be driving for McLaren next year

If Riccardio gets the compensation that he is reputed to have asked for ($21 million ) does that sum of money come out of McLaren's cost capped budget for next year?

I believe the salary for the 5 highest earners for each team does not get included but if Mclaren are effectively paying for 3 drivers next year that would push the 5th highest earner this year into the 2023 budget.

 

[KevC]

2022 FORMULA 1 HEINEKEN DUTCH GRAND PRIX

Circuit Zandvoort
Lap data
Lap length 4.259km (2.646 miles)
Race laps 72
Race distance 306.648km (190.542 miles)
Pole position Left-hand side of the track
Maximum speed 309kph (192.004 mph)
Distance from grid to turn one 215m

UK Times
Friday 2nd September 2022
Netherlands Grand Prix Free Practice 1: 11:30
Netherlands Grand Prix Free Practice 2: 15:00
Saturday 3rd September 2022
Netherlands Grand Prix Free Practice 3: 11:00
Netherlands Grand Prix Qualifying: 14:00
Sunday 4th September
Netherlands Grand Prix: 14:00

Previous Winners
1980 Brazil Nelson Piquet Brabham-Ford
1981 France Alain Prost Renault
1982 France Didier Pironi Ferrari
1983 France René Arnoux Ferrari
1984 France Alain Prost McLaren-TAG
1985 Austria Niki Lauda McLaren-TAG
1986–2020 Not held
2021 Netherlands Max Verstappen Red Bull Racing-Honda


Videos

Prost 1983 - Verstappen 2021 Comparison

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5D39R2JoqPA



Standings

 

[KevC]

2022 FORMULA 1 PIRELLI GRAN PREMIO D’ITALIA

Autodromo Nazionale Monza
Lap data
Lap length 5.793km (3.6 miles)
Race laps 53
Race distance 306.72km (190.587 miles)
Pole position Left-hand side of the track
Lap record* 1’21.046 (Rubens Barrichello, 2004)
Fastest lap 1’18.887 (Lewis Hamilton, 2020, qualifying three)
Maximum speed 350kph (217.48 mph)
Distance from grid to turn one 638m
Full throttle 84%
Longest flat-out section 1520m
Downforce level Low
Gear changes per lap 36
Fuel use per lap 1.82kg
Time penalty per lap of fuel 0.057s
Pit lane time loss 19s

UK Times
Friday 9th September 2022
Italian Grand Prix Free Practice 1: 13:00
Italian Grand Prix Free Practice 2: 16:00
Saturday 10th September 2022
Italian Grand Prix Free Practice 3: 12:00
Italian Grand Prix Qualifying: 15:00
Sunday 11th September
Italian Grand Prix: 14:00

Previous Winners
2000 Germany Michael Schumacher Ferrari
2001 Colombia Juan Pablo Montoya Williams-BMW
2002 Brazil Rubens Barrichello Ferrari
2003 Germany Michael Schumacher Ferrari
2004 Brazil Rubens Barrichello Ferrari
2005 Colombia Juan Pablo Montoya McLaren-Mercedes
2006 Germany Michael Schumacher Ferrari
2007 Spain Fernando Alonso McLaren-Mercedes
2008 Germany Sebastian Vettel Toro Rosso-Ferrari
2009 Brazil Rubens Barrichello Brawn-Mercedes
2010 Spain Fernando Alonso Ferrari
2011 Germany Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault
2012 United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes
2013 Germany Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault
2014 United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
2015 United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
2016 Germany Nico Rosberg Mercedes
2017 United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
2018 United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
2019 Monaco Charles Leclerc Ferrari
2020 France Pierre Gasly AlphaTauri-Honda
2021 Australia Daniel Ricciardo McLaren-Mercedes


Videos

Alonso 2006

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSBr9gAwv_4


Schumacher 1992 on board

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZUfwjHMNrw



Standings

 

[Ricardodaforce]

Porsche to buy 50% of Red Bull Technology.

Porsche have confirmed that the deal is off.

 

[onomatopoeia]

The Temple of speed this weekend . I love Monza, love seeing the cars on the track there attacking the Lesmos and Parabolica and the speeds the reach with all the downforce off, just as I do Spa.

 

[Tringa]

I wonder if, when Albon returns to Williams after is operation, Williams will keep De Vries and wave farewell to Latifi. Although De Vries had a wobble which he said was due to him pressing a button which altered the brake balance, I thought he did pretty well today.

Dave

 

[Ricardodaforce]

Talking of someone doing well. I meant to mention last week that JP Montoya’s son drove in F3 for the first time last weekend, standing in for someone. He did exceptionally well in both races.
Someone to watch for the future.

 

[AgentOrange76]

I wonder if, when Albon returns to Williams after is operation, Williams will keep De Vries and wave farewell to Latifi. Although De Vries had a wobble which he said was due to him pressing a button which altered the brake balance, I thought he did pretty well today.

Dave

As in he got into Q2 when Latifi didnt and was 0.1sec off Latifi P3 time. Think that qualifies as a shoe in for 2023 at the very least. Finance may play apart though.

 

[Ricardodaforce]

Well for me this weekend was all about 2 drivers. Nyck de Vries and Will Power.
The first for his stellar F1 debut, and the second for securing the IndyCar title at the last race of the season.

 

[andya700]

Well, that was another fiasco in a long run of incompetent fiascos. Six laps to go, then finish behind a safety car, Unless they are going to apply the rules evenly, then it isn't really worth watching.

 

[onomatopoeia]

Well, that was another fiasco in a long run of incompetent fiascos. Six laps to go, then finish behind a safety car, Unless they are going to apply the rules evenly, then it isn't really worth watching.

It seemed to me that the safety car could have been on track a lap earlier to gather up the field, and might have been withdrawn so the final lap could have been run under green, though by the time the track was clear on the penultimate lap there wouldn't have been time to let lapped cars pass the safety car before the restart.

However, race control has far more information than than me watching it on the telly so I'm not going to second guess the decisions as there may have been issues they were aware of that a TV viewer wouldn't have been..

 

[Nod]

But, if they'd let the race restart, Max might have been pipped at the post...