F1 2017 season

Watched an interview on sky sports f1. This morning with the force India techy bloke.
They eventually got onto tyres and hopefully pirelli change the compounds otherwise it could be a boring season
 
I havnt seen the article but I would assume they are refering to the request from the FIA to Pirelli to create "raceable " tyres. Tyres that drivers can push hard on. This obviously means harder compounds in terms of wear to eliminate slow driving to preserve tyre wear, hence less pit stops, where force india can possibly gain an undercut advantage
Will the aero make for less overtaking on the straights and more darey do in the corners has to be seen but raceable tyres will certainly be needed if they are going to stick it into corners hard
Australia is where the theories stop and the true facts start to appear
 
Llamaman said:
But they're well ahead of the competition for next year's inaugural Formula Parking competition.
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Looks like they are trying to seal that position - the McHonda has come to a stop yet again on track. Honda have really got to get to the bottom of this problem and also provide more power. If Honda doesn't, then the aero people can't start fine tuning the chassis - which according to observers has its own problems.
 
And the Mclaren emerges from the pits and....................................breaks down again.
 
Proper overtaking doesn't look that likely this season, not surprisingly.

Massa was 1.5secs faster than the Sauber he was following, but said he had no chance of passing. I'm sure that the planners/engineers know what they're doing, but it seems to me that extra aero was always going to be the wrong way to go :thinking:
 
Comfortably Numb said:
Proper overtaking doesn't look that likely this season, not surprisingly.

Massa was 1.5secs faster than the Sauber he was following, but said he had no chance of passing. I'm sure that the planners/engineers know what they're doing, but it seems to me that extra aero was always going to be the wrong way to go :thinking:
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Absolutely this, as soon as you up the aero then you ruin overtaking. For me, you need less aero and mechanical grip, but loads of power, that'll sort out the drivers from the pay to drive boys.
 
But they might fall off the track if they haven't got the aero glue to keep them stuck down!
 
I think that they were so concerned about faster lap times, even though the cars were quick, just sounded slow!

They've gone with the standard F1 response of improving all areas of the car, rather than concentrating on what would improve the show.

I suppose we won't know for sure until Melbourne, but more 'flat' corners & shorter braking zones don't bode well.
 
Nod said:
But they might fall off the track if they haven't got the aero glue to keep them stuck down!
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Or the wind blows the sails and they tack straight off the track
 
Ground effect aero would potentially solve the following/overtaking problem.
 
PaulF said:
Ground effect aero would potentially solve the following/overtaking problem.
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Potentially, it would, but I think there are safety concerns around a car losing close contact with the ground & a large chunk of downforce in the process.
 
PaulF said:
Ground effect aero would potentially solve the following/overtaking problem.
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True but the sliding skirts or even the rear fan are way dangerous but the talk of re instating active suspension (or has the merc got a variation already) seems to be favored by many teams (the rich ones anyway) coupled with the contoured floors would make for a sticky to track combination thats not worried by the wakes of the car in front
 
Sounds like it's vibration issues from the Honda engine causing McLaren problems, the electronics or connections can't cope with the vibrations.
 
Force India
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My daughter doesn't want to support McLaren anymore....

And hulkenberg is glad he left:
https://BANNED/hulkhulkenberg/status/841732090823598080

Got a lot of "banter" about checo being better haha
 
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I assumed they had come to an agreement with Mercedes but Honda pays a lot of money to partner with McLaren so it would be an expensive divorce
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Don't think it will be. As I'm sure Honda have reached any goals they set out apart from putting an engine in a car. They can't use it at max power yet. So I'm sure the powers that be are working on a get of jail card.
 
There was shock in F1 today with news that George Osborne is to become McLaren’s engine supplier.

The weak-faced, have-you-been-swimming-haired MP is to supply hybrid V6 power units for the Woking-based team with immediate effect, despite having no experience whatsoever of designing and building extremely complicated competition engines for top-level motorsport.

‘George Osborne hasn’t the first clue how to make a high-revving internal combustion engine engine allied to a sophisticated energy recovery system,’ said one critic. ‘But, in fairness, he’ll still do a better job than Honda.’

‘That’s exactly the sort of predictable punchline you’d expect from someone with no relevant experience,’ said a source, speaking after the announcement that the new Sniff Petrol editor is George Osborne.

http://sniffpetrol.com/
 
2017 FORMULA 1 WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP SEASON

Dun….dun dun dun dun dun dun da dun duuuunnnnn….

The 2017 Formula One World Championship is GO!

Calendar files
https://www.f1calendar.com/
Click the grey bar at the top for google calendar, outlook and ical .ics files with local times and optional reminders.

Teams and Drivers

Team
Constructor
Chassis
Power Unit
Drivers

Scuderia Ferrari
Ferrari SF70H
Ferrari 062
5 Germany Sebastian Vettel
7 Finland Kimi Räikkönen

Sahara Force India F1 Team
Force India-Mercedes VJM10
Mercedes M08 EQ Power+
11 Mexico Sergio Pérez
31 France Esteban Ocon

Haas F1 Team
Haas-Ferrari VF-17
Ferrari 062
8 France Romain Grosjean
20 Denmark Kevin Magnussen

McLaren Honda Formula 1 Team
McLaren-Honda
MCL32 Honda RA617H
2 Belgium Stoffel Vandoorne
14 Spain Fernando Alonso

Mercedes AMG Petronas Motorsport
Mercedes F1 W08 EQ Power+
Mercedes M08 EQ Power+
44 United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton
77 Finland Valtteri Bottas

Red Bull Racing
Red Bull Racing-TAG Heuer
RB13 TAG Heuer
3 Australia Daniel Ricciardo
33 Netherlands Max Verstappen

Renault Sport Formula One Team
Renault
R.S.17 Renault R.E.17
27 Germany Nico Hülkenberg
30 United Kingdom Jolyon Palmer

Sauber F1 Team
Sauber-Ferrari C36
Ferrari 061
9 Sweden Marcus Ericsson
94 Germany Pascal Wehrlein

Scuderia Toro Rosso
Toro Rosso-TBA STR12
Renault R.E.17
26 Russia Daniil Kvyat
55 Spain Carlos Sainz Jr.

Williams Martini Racing
Williams-Mercedes
FW40 Mercedes M08 EQ Power+
18 Canada Lance Stroll
19 Brazil Felipe Massa


2017 FIA Formula One World Championship® Race Calendar
1 Australian Grand Prix Australia Melbourne Grand Prix Circuit, Melbourne 26 March
2 Chinese Grand Prix China Shanghai International Circuit, Shanghai 9 April
3 Bahrain Grand Prix Bahrain Bahrain International Circuit, Sakhir 16 April
4 Russian Grand Prix Russia Sochi Autodrom, Sochi 30 April
5 Spanish Grand Prix Spain Circuit de Barcelona-Catalunya, Barcelona 14 May
6 Monaco Grand Prix Monaco Circuit de Monaco, Monte Carlo 28 May
7 Canadian Grand Prix Canada Circuit Gilles Villeneuve, Montreal 11 June
8 Azerbaijan Grand Prix Azerbaijan Baku City Circuit, Baku 25 June
9 Austrian Grand Prix Austria Red Bull Ring, Spielberg 9 July
10 British Grand Prix United Kingdom Silverstone Circuit, Silverstone 16 July
11 Hungarian Grand Prix Hungary Hungaroring, Budapest 30 July
12 Belgian Grand Prix Belgium Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps, Stavelot 27 August
13 Italian Grand Prix Italy Autodromo Nazionale Monza, Monza 3 September
14 Singapore Grand Prix Singapore Marina Bay Street Circuit, Singapore 17 September
15 Malaysian Grand Prix Malaysia Sepang International Circuit, Kuala Lumpur 1 October
16 Japanese Grand Prix Japan Suzuka International Racing Course, Suzuka 8 October
17 United States Grand Prix United States Circuit of the Americas, Austin, Texas 22 October
18 Mexican Grand Prix Mexico Autódromo Hermanos Rodríguez, Mexico City 29 October
19 Brazilian Grand Prix Brazil Autódromo José Carlos Pace, São Paulo 12 November
20 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix United Arab Emirates Yas Marina Circuit, Abu Dhabi 26 November

Tyres

Full Wet - Blue
Intermediate - Green
Hard - Orange
Medium - White
Soft - Yellow
Super Soft - Red
Ultra Soft - Purple

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Team Changes

- The parent company of Manor Racing went into administration in January 2017. The administrators failed to find a buyer and the company collapsed later that same month, ultimately closing down entirely in March.

- Sauber signed a deal to use one year-old Ferrari power units in 2017, mirroring the arrangement between Ferrari and Scuderia Toro Rosso in 2016.

- Toro Rosso agreed to return to using Renault power units in 2017, having used 2015-specification Ferrari power units in 2016. The team had previously used Renault power units in 2014 and 2015 before the relationship between Renault and sister team Red Bull Racing broke down, prompting Toro Rosso to seek out an alternative supplier.


Driver Changes

IN
Stoffel Vandoorne (McLaren)
Lance Stroll (Williams)

OUT
Esteban Gutiérrez (Haas)
Jenson Button (McLaren)
Nico Rosberg (Mercedes)
Rio Haryanto (Manor)
Felipe Nasr (Sauber)

MOVED
Nico Hülkenberg (Force India to Renault)
Esteban Ocon (Manor to Force India)
Kevin Magnussen (Renault to Haas)
Valtteri Bottas (Williams to Mercedes)
Pascal Wehrlein (Manor to Sauber)


Technical Regulation Changes

-The technical regulations governing bodywork design were revised for 2017, with the objective of improving lap times by four to five seconds over the 2016 generation of cars. These changes include:
* An increase of the overall width of the cars to 2,000 mm (78.7 in).
* Bodywork allowed to reach a maximum width of 1,600 mm (63.0 in).
* An increase of the width of the front wing to 1,800 mm (70.9 in).
* Lowering the rear wing by 150 mm (5.9 in) and moving its position back by 200 mm (7.9 in).
* Bigger and longer rear diffuser, now extending ahead of the rear axle.
* The leading edge of the barge boards being brought forward to allow teams more freedom in controlling airflow.
* An increase of the width of the front and rear tyres (around 25% wider than previous tyres) to allow cars to generate more mechanical grip.
* The minimum weight of the car including the driver being raised by 20 kg to 722 kg, with teams allowed to use 105 kg of fuel to account for the increase in minimum weight.
- The token system used to regulate power unit development—where the power unit was divided into individual areas, and each area assigned a points value with development of these areas deducting points from a manufacturer's overall points quota—will be abandoned.
- Restrictions are to be placed on the dimensions, weight and the materials used to build each individual component of the power unit.
- Teams are restricted to four power units per season regardless of the number of Grands Prix in the season. Previous seasons had included a provision for a fifth power unit if the number of Grands Prix in a season exceeded twenty; from 2017, this provision is to be abandoned.
- The cost of a power unit supply is reduced by €1 million in 2017 ahead of a further reduction in 2018.
- Cameras will no longer be permitted to be mounted on stalks, located on the nose of the car.
- Pirelli continued to be Formula One's sole tyre supplier in 2017, beating out a bid by Michelin to provide tyres for the series. Continuing from previous seasons, the company offered a range of seven different tyre compounds, five for dry and two for wet conditions. While both wet compounds are available for every Grand Prix, only a choice of three dry compounds are made available to teams for a single race weekend. As in the previous season, teams are allowed to choose ten out of 13 sets of tyres for a race weekend freely from the three compounds made available by Pirelli. However, due to limited testing time for the new compounds during the winter break, Pirelli chose to provide teams with a mandatory number of sets for the first five races.


Sporting Regulation Changes

- Under rules introduced in 2015, grid penalties for exceeding a driver's quota of power unit components carried over from one race to the next if the penalty could not be fully served when issued. When this carry-over system was abandoned, teams could build up a reserve of spare components by introducing several at once while only serving a single grid penalty. From 2017, teams will only be able to use one new component over their quota per race, with any additional components incurring further penalties. This change prevents teams from "stockpiling" spare power unit components.
- Power unit suppliers will have an "obligation to supply", mandating that they supply power units to any team, should a team end up without an agreement. The rule was introduced following the breakdown in the relationship between Renault and their customer teams Red Bull Racing and Scuderia Toro Rosso at the end of the 2015 season that left both teams in limbo until deals could be arranged.
- In the event that a race is declared wet and must start behind the safety car, the grid will follow normal starting procedures once conditions are declared satisfactory for racing. Drivers will line up on the grid for a standing start once the safety car pulls into pit lane, although any laps completed behind the safety car will count towards the total race distance.


Betting Odds

Drivers Championship 2017

1.91 Lewis Hamilton
5.00 Sebastian Vettel
6.50 Valtteri Bottas
8.00 Daniel Ricciardo
8.00 Max Verstappen
12.00 Kimi Raikkonen
101.00 Felipe Massa
151.00 Fernando Alonso
501.00 Carlos Sainz
501.00 Jolyon Palmer
501.00 Kevin Magnussen
501.00 Lance Stroll
501.00 Nico Hulkenberg
501.00 Romain Grosjean
501.00 Sergio Perez
501.00 Stoffel Vandoorne
751.00 Daniil Kvyat
751.00 Esteban Ocon
1001.00 Marcus Ericsson
1001.00 Pascal Wehrlein

Constructors Championship 2016

1.40 Mercedes
4.00 Ferrari
5.00 Red Bull
51.00 McLaren
101.00 Renault
101.00 Williams
301.00 Force India
301.00 Haas
301.00 Toro Rosso
2501.00 Sauber



2017 FORMULA 1 ROLEX AUSTRALIAN GRAND PRIX


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Melbourne
Lap data
Lap length 5.303km (3.295 miles)
Race laps 58
Race distance 307.574km (191.118 miles)
Pole position Left-hand side of the track
Lap record* 1’24.125 (226.934 kph) by Michael Schumacher, 2004
Fastest lap 1’23.529 (228.553 kph) by Sebastian Vettel, 2011
Maximum speed 312kph (193.868 mph)
DRS zone/s (race) First and second straight
Distance from grid to turn one 380m
Car performance
Full throttle 61%
Longest flat-out section 843m
Downforce level High
Fuel use per lap 1.66kg
Time penalty per lap of fuel 0.051s

UK Times
Friday 24th March 2017
Australian Grand Prix Free Practice 1: 12:00-13:30 (UK time: 1:00-2:30)
Australian Grand Prix Free Practice 2: 16:00-17:30 (UK time: 5:00-6:30)
Saturday 25th March 2017
Australian Grand Prix Free Practice 3: 14:00-15:00 (UK time: 3:00-4:00)
Australian Grand Prix Qualifying: 17:00 (UK time: 6:00)
Sunday 26th March 2017
Australian Grand Prix: 16:00 (UK time: 6:00)

Previous Winners
2016 Nico Rosberg Mercedes Albert Park
2015 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes Melbourne
2014 Nico Rosberg Mercedes Melbourne
2013 Kimi Raikkonen Lotus Melbourne
2012 Jenson Button McLaren Melbourne
2011 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull Melbourne
2010 Jenson Button McLaren Melbourne
2009 Jenson Button Brawn GP Melbourne
2008 Lewis Hamilton McLaren Melbourne
2007 Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari Melbourne
2006 Fernando Alonso Renault Melbourne
2005 Giancarlo Fisichella Renault Melbourne
2004 Michael Schumacher Ferrari Melbourne
2003 David Coulthard McLaren Melbourne
2002 Michael Schumacher Ferrari Melbourne
2001 Michael Schumacher Ferrari Melbourne
2000 Michael Schumacher Ferrari Melbourne

Videos

2014 vs 2015 vs 2016 vs 2017 Comparison lap at Barcelona
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATJjQpBWoLA


2013 F1 car vs V8 touring car vs AMG sportscar at Melbourne
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5mRiY6Hmhc


Vettel on board 2013
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8m1cTWEzZA

Drivers’ Chosen Tyres
…to come…
 
The verstapin rule of moving under braking whilst defending is to be dropped but drivers are still only allowed to move once whilst defending there position ????????
http://www.pitpass.com/58587/FIA-drops-Verstappen-rule

At least the stewards are entering the 21st century by using computers to try and be consistent but somehow I can see it will be same as same as
 
chrism_scotland said:
Well the pretence that anyone but Mercedes was going to dominate this year looks to have been smashed, Hamilton fastest in both Practice Sessions by over half a second...
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Its so unfair they should fit a square wheel on mercedes to give the other not up to it teams a chance :sneaky:
 
fuzzyedges said:
Its so unfair they should fit a square wheel on mercedes to give the other not up to it teams a chance :sneaky:
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Wouldn't be a bad idea....... its not about fairness its about making the sport watchable, personally I'm pretty close to switching it off, last season was incredibly dull for the most part.
 
chrism_scotland said:
Wouldn't be a bad idea....... its not about fairness its about making the sport watchable, personally I'm pretty close to switching it off, last season was incredibly dull for the most part.
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Yeah but this is F1 the best team with the best car and a very good driver usually wins
Ferrari years Red bull years etc etc
Watchable comes in short bursts It is the immersion in the F1 world that makes it readable / watchable, the engineering, the personalities, the political intrigue, the cheating,
 
Yep watching it too, my little girl was kind enough to wake me in time for Q3 :sleep:
 
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