For me ....... NEVER........Wow, 8 pages on card slots!
Serious question: How many times have any of you actually had to use that back up card for recovery?
hehe innit.What about getting a Sony A9 and then running it at 10fps mode, almost as quick as the Nikon D5 in terms of fps but it would probably mean you'd never hit the buffer?
I would have to test this out though.
For me ....... NEVER........
For Canon bodies....2004 with the 1DsMkII and 1DMkII.... When did dual slots start? .......
I often wondered how many people have actually had a decent card fail. I had dual card [CF/SD] slots for years, and never once removed the back-up, just formatted each time I offloaded from the SD. When did dual slots start? I'm thinking it was more a marketing gimmick to get people to buy extra cards. I mean, I know some people who buy one cheap SD card and use it for life I only have single slot atm, and only use standard U3 Sandisk cards all the time. I have a bunch of them, but tbh, only ever really use the one. I'm not a pro of course, there is that.
I knew a wedding photographer who had a Mamiya RB67, a C330 and a Nikon fail on the same wedding. He ended up using a compact to finish. Before anyone says it, he didn’t use ancient kit, he had it serviced, he was just incredibly unlucky once!Where does this dual-redundancy end....... next thing will be that we need to carry two of each lens, just in case one lens failed
I think the Nikon D3 was the first Nikon Flagship body to incorporate the dual card system. I have had one CF card 'go bad' on me but I think it may have been a 'fake' big name.
I had a Sandisk card literally fall apart on me ... but that was mostly cause I used it in a dodgy Chinese SD to Lightning card reader (that never worked properly even when it didn't destroy the card). However I was able to put it back together to read the data off so nothing was actually lost (didn't have a backup in that camera) and Sandisk replaced the card under warranty too.Serious question: How many times have any of you actually had to use that back up card for recovery?
Was one a cf card and the other a floppy disk slot?For Canon bodies....2004 with the 1DsMkII and 1DMkII
Oh man, remember the Sony Mavica lolWas one a cf card and the other a floppy disk slot?
And before that was the SmartMedia cards which could be slipped into a "floppy" adaptor rather than using the serial port connection! And we're moaning that we can only take 70 images on some cameras before you have to wait!!Oh man, remember the Sony Mavica lol
No. CF/microdrive and an SD for #2Was one a cf card and the other a floppy disk slot?
Wow, 8 pages on card slots!
Serious question: How many times have any of you actually had to use that back up card for recovery?
If Nikon can stick a XQD slot, which one would assume could be quite expensive because it is not a common part used in many cameras, and a UHS-II slot, in a camera that is half the price of the 5DIV then the cost difference between UHS-I and UHS-II slots may not be significant additional cost. But only Canon know. And only by putting the part in more cameras will the price of the part come down. How many cameras did Canon put the same 18Mp sensor to cut down costs! Sticking the 'latest' tech in the Pro models lets the tech eventually trickle down.I don't think anyone would argue with this but, and it's a big but, at what price? If it meant a change in spec or price we would have to balance that out against our own personal needs; trouble is we may not even know what/if anything is being left out for this advance. I'm not sure there are many having the 'issue' Raymond is having or if putting a faster slot in his camera will alleviate the problem for him.
Do you ask people who skydive how many times they used the reserve?
lolNever knew a failed card could kill you
Get a grip, you've had your 8 pages of drama over SD card slots, don't think you can pull much more nonsense out of it tbh ... though you are trying hard
Interestingly though the burst rate for 7mb Jpeg is 65 but for 3.7Mb it's 1930 both of which can apparently be printed up to A2. Shooting mRaw or sRaw (19/15Mb respectively) gives a burst rate less (just) than shooting full size Raw (27Mb).The buffer is the same size, the files are smaller
Never knew a failed card could kill you
Get a grip, you've had your 8 pages of drama over SD card slots, don't think you can pull much more nonsense out of it tbh ... though you are trying hard
To be fair a card won’t kill you - but apparently a bride will if the confetti upsets her ocd.....Never knew a failed card could kill you
Get a grip, you've had your 8 pages of drama over SD card slots, don't think you can pull much more nonsense out of it tbh ... though you are trying hard
What do you think would happen if i shoot a wedding and not deliver a single image?
And do you not understand metaphors?
I think you need a reality check if you think the bride would just think it’s just one of those things.
You don't use a back up camera? Did you even read all of my post? I clearly stated I feel much more reassured with a back up body over a back up card in the one camera ... Bridezillas gonna zilla for one reason or another. Don't do weddings if they scare you
To be fair a card won’t kill you - but apparently a bride will if the confetti upsets her ocd.....
How is a back up body going to help you for lost images from a card?
Say your card died at 4pm and you can continue to shoot with your back up camera, where are you going to pull from your ass for the images you took earlier that day?
Did I not just say back up on the go also? You're not checking your gear until 4pm on the day? If a card fails, I'll know about it on the spot and do something about it asap, because I would be constantly keeping check, i would also be backing up externally any chance I get. Do you not have an assistant?
Waffle on about it till the cows come home, but chances of a card failing are like the chances of you winning the lotto. It happens to some, but unlikely to ever happen to you.
When I worked for a football league club I always had multiple bodies, it’s not just brides that won’t appreciate not getting pictures. It’s also why you have insurance in case of unforeseen events.
To be honest I’d never had a card fail, however I have accidentally formatted the wrong card and recovery software retrieved everything. In my experience apart from physically breaking a card failures are less likely than winning the lottery. If it worries you so much and you’re of the opinion your cards might fail why not replace them regularly as part of the cost of your business, after all compared with the cost of equipment and set against the amount wedding photographer charge it’s a negligible amount.
Raymond I applaud your desire to ensure no wedding you shoot will ever leave you in the situation where you dont have a set of images for the bride/groom to purchase and give you a glowing report. I can understand if you have had it happen once you are very aware it may happen again.
But, there's always a but
There is no But.
Any "but" is laziness, recklessness and pure unprofessional.
That is the minimal criteria for paid work. There is no but, no excuses. Shooting dual cards is a must, it is due diligence. It is simple, it is easy to do.
Sorry, trying to argue otherwise really shows off your un-professionalism IMO.
As for spare motorcycle…do you know how I get around that? I usually travel down the day before, I have AA recovery which can toll me to any destination in the UK, so in theory, i can get toll to my shoot location.
I am sure the client will understand if i die or fallen ill, but do you think they would understand if you choose not to shoot back up? Please don't complicate the subject, this is simply an act of putting in another card into the camera.
Again................what would you do if your camera mechanically fails during the confetti shot?
You ignored what happens if camera 1 has a problem with slot 1 you arent aware of and have no backup without realising it (that was my "but" question). If dual cards is minimal in your eyes why arent there 3 slots in a professional camera, just in case, how far do you take that argument, 4 slots, 6 slots?There is no But.
Any "but" is laziness, recklessness and pure unprofessional.
That is the minimal criteria for paid work. There is no but, no excuses. Shooting dual cards is a must, it is due diligence. It is simple, it is easy to do.
Sorry, trying to argue otherwise really shows off your un-professionalism IMO.
As for spare motorcycle…do you know how I get around that? I usually travel down the day before, I have AA recovery which can toll me to any destination in the UK, so in theory, i can get toll to my shoot location.
I am sure the client will understand if i die or fallen ill, but do you think they would understand if you choose not to shoot back up? Please don't complicate the subject, this is simply an act of putting in another card into the camera.
You ignored what happens if camera 1 has a problem with slot 1 you arent aware of and have no backup without realising it (that was my "but" question). If dual cards is minimal in your eyes why arent there 3 slots in a professional camera, just in case, how far do you take that argument, 4 slots, 6 slots?
You ignored my question about what happens when card 1 fails - what does the camera do, would you always be aware.
AA cover, great, you should at least have that as a minimum, they generally take an hour or more to get to you, you'd probably miss the wedding, unless I guess you set off 3 hrs before you need to get to the location, bride not impressed, slags your reputation, you arent sufficiently covered if you dont have another vehilcle IMO - see how silly it can all get?
You ignored my question about having at least 1 decent image.
I'm not complicating it, I'm suggesting you need to get a proper focus on how much arse covering you can do but you are now moving the argument away from your original of "why arent the slots the same speed" to "you must shoot to 2 cards" and no-one least of all me has an argument with that.
Same lens? I'm guessing yes. Both cameras never need a lens swap at some point? Tbh if you have 2 cameras with identical lenses and extra lenses for different shots in your pocket plus flash guns etc you are carrying too much kit because you chose the wrong kit in the first place and now you are so paranoid about card failure or missing the shot because the slots dont write fast enough you have become blind to the solution, proposed by many people, including pro shooters (not me). You complained about not using a 1DX as it was too heaving/expensive yet you tell us (on another thread) that you have done a lot of weddings, the slight (overall) expense of running your business (staying over the night before, regular servicing, off site backup etc) of getting the proper toll (tax deductable, vat refundable) is peanuts. Surely 2 1DX dont weigh as much as the kit you have forced yourself into carrying.I have another one over my other shoulder.
Same lens? I'm guessing yes. Both cameras never need a lens swap at some point? Tbh if you have 2 cameras with identical lenses and extra lenses for different shots in your pocket plus flash guns etc you are carrying too much kit because you chose the wrong kit in the first place and now you are so paranoid about card failure or missing the shot because the slots dont write fast enough you have become blind to the solution, proposed by many people, including pro shooters (not me). You complained about not using a 1DX as it was too heaving/expensive yet you tell us (on another thread) that you have done a lot of weddings, the slight (overall) expense of running your business (staying over the night before, regular servicing, off site backup etc) of getting the proper toll (tax deductable, vat refundable) is peanuts. Surely 2 1DX dont weigh as much as the kit you have forced yourself into carrying.
Nobody has said dont shoot back-up, I reiterate you started the thread with the question about speed of slots not about back-up, you have moved it away from the original question and I tried to answer that question, backup is important of course, there's a limit to how much you can cover all eventualities and if the write speed is so important you need to man-up and get the correct kit instead of whinging and whining that Canon have got it wrong but you have been told that by many people and you arent listening.It's a simple question here. Not about other things, I am talking about memory cards as back up and you are trying to bring all kinds of other aspect into it trying to justify not shooting a back up.
I have another one over my other shoulder.
Raymond Lin said:Now carry both so now walk backwards with both on you. You start the shot or the walk backwards with the longer 35mm, when the buffer fills you quickly swap it over, all the while walking backwards...you swap it over to the 24mm because the couple would’ve have caught up with you and close the distance, if that fills up you swap it again.
Now won’t it be nice if I didn’t have to swap bodies while walking backwards with people surrounding me, legs sticking out, arms waving??? Clearly you can see the hazard and the potential of falling with at least one camera hitting the floor.