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Want to see receipts/screenshots? Feel free to pm meIt looks like a deliberate plug to me. He is a new man on the block so his post is questionable.
Want to see receipts/screenshots? Feel free to pm meIt looks like a deliberate plug to me. He is a new man on the block so his post is questionable.
What if HMRC sent you a bill for £8000 in VAT?
I buy an item from a UK shop that posts to me via royal mail. I'm not the importer. Efinity is.
There's 3 options.
1: You buy the lens of a shop for 2000. Shops often open boxes to let buyers try stuff on. Who knows how "new" the stuff you buy there.
2: buy off an importer like efinity or panamoz for 1400. Comes new and sealed. Warranty has to be dealt by them and can take longer to sort issues.
3: import it yourself for around 1100, pay around 200 import duty.
Importing yourself is still the cheapest option. But I rather deal with importers as I have PayPal as protection and all the usual consumer rights if things go wrong.
Not sure on efinity, but remember panamoz for example has a UK address, listed on their website. So you actually have someone there to go after if things go south.
As per UK law you are the one liable to pay the tax and hence tax dodging by not doing so.I buy an item from a UK shop that posts to me via royal mail. I'm not the importer. Efinity is.
I used eglobal central for the purchase of my Canon RP. Eventually it arrived and it's fine, however the service and comms were shocking. Bizarely there was no battery in the box so had to buy one - I reached out to eglobal but there has been zero response. So it could be risky, however I've never had a camera go faulty on me, so took a risk. I suppose if anything goes wrong down the line, there is always the insurance route. The initially purchase was protected under credit card purchase anyway.
Compared it with what?Has anyone ever compared the serial number label on some imports?
They are a Hong Kong company. That's why their T&Cs only mention Hong Kong law, and their 'Contact Us' address is in Hong Kong:I buy an item from a UK shop that posts to me via royal mail. I'm not the importer. Efinity is.
I wonder if section 75 covers grey imports?
I used to buy all my stuff from my local Sony store until I had an issue with a 70-200. Long story short, a warranty claim ended up costing me £400 and took a month to get the lens back. Never again.@f/2.8 above has a great relationship with his local shop and has benefitted in more ways than one. So have I and e-infinity doesn't come close. LCE got my lens fixed for me under warranty within 3 days. Had it with me on 4th day.
I have had terrible experience with Sony too. Hence I deal with them via. LCE or other shops with good customer service.I used to buy all my stuff from my local Sony store until I had an issue with a 70-200. Long story short, a warranty claim ended up costing me £400 and took a month to get the lens back. Never again.
It would help if they half knew anything about the stuff they sell to be fair. I now use wilkinson cameras as I have one on my doorstep and they've been brilliant.I have had terrible experience with Sony too. Hence I deal with them via. LCE or other shops with good customer service.
Yes Wilkinson have been great to me too. Very quick to sort out issues.It would help if they half knew anything about the stuff they sell to be fair. I now use wilkinson cameras as I have one on my doorstep and they've been brilliant.
Between the varied designs and exif dataCompared it with what?
As per UK law you are the one liable to pay the tax and hence tax dodging by not doing so.
I'm buying an item from a shop with a uk address that posts it to me from the UK. IF someone gets in trouble, its gonna be them. You need to re-check the law.
EVEN IF (will never happen) i had to pay 20% extra on the stuff i buy from importers, I would still be cheaper than the shop stuff and more likely to be sealed. p***es me off how shops just open boxes for you to try lenses and still sell them as "new" and not as "ex display" items.
I'm buying an item from a shop with a uk address that posts it to me from the UK. IF someone gets in trouble, its gonna be them. You need to re-check the law.
EVEN IF (will never happen) i had to pay 20% extra on the stuff i buy from importers, I would still be cheaper than the shop stuff and more likely to be sealed. p***es me off how shops just open boxes for you to try lenses and still sell them as "new" and not as "ex display" items.
I'm buying an item from a shop with a uk address that posts it to me from the UK. IF someone gets in trouble, its gonna be them. You need to re-check the law.
EVEN IF (will never happen) i had to pay 20% extra on the stuff i buy from importers, I would still be cheaper than the shop stuff and more likely to be sealed. p***es me off how shops just open boxes for you to try lenses and still sell them as "new" and not as "ex display" items.
You are wrong and have evaded tax of around 8k plus import duty, it’s irrelevant what you think, it’s fact. Are you running a photography business, does your tax evasion give you an advantage over your competitors?
businesses can claim back VAT for the equipment they use i.e. in this case cameras? (or at least they used to be able to anyway)
my mate use to do it, so he didn't even buy used. His way of saving was waiting for cashback offers in the UK.
I'm not vat registered. So this way is more affordable to me.businesses can claim back VAT for the equipment they use i.e. in this case cameras? (or at least they used to be able to anyway)
my mate use to do it, so he didn't even buy used. His way of saving was waiting for cashback offers in the UK.
I'm buying an item from a shop with a uk address that posts it to me from the UK. IF someone gets in trouble, its gonna be them. You need to re-check the law.
that sticky says "Your responsibilities as an importer "There is a sticky thread about grey imports that explains everything quite well.
https://www.talkphotography.co.uk/t...rey-imports-and-other-assorted-topics.512133/
There is nothing wrong with buying grey imports. As long as you declare them properly then there isn't a problem and it all legit.
that sticky says "Your responsibilities as an importer "
We are not the importer, the shops like efinity are the importers. Technically, they are selling us "used" goods as they are the legal original owners of the gear (with the original receipt from the HK shop, etc)
I dont need to declare anything. I bought it of a shop with prices in £ and the item is shipping to me from UK to UK address (efinity for example). the import side of things, isnt my issue there
https://www.e-infin.com/uk/common/delivery_detailsUnited Kingdom - We expedite our orders from our UK warehouse via DPD, Hermes, Royal Mail or UPS.
I'm just trying to get a little clarity in this. On the E-Infinity website it states:
https://www.e-infin.com/uk/common/delivery_details
The implication, at least to me, is that the company ships from HK or wherever and the item goes into their warehouse in the UK. They then post the item to the UK consumer. This then makes E-Infinity the importer. If the company shipped directly from HK to the consumer then the consumer would be the importer.
As it happens I suspect that that E-Infinity do not have a physical warehouse facility in the UK and that this is bogus information.
I'm just trying to get a little clarity in this. On the E-Infinity website it states:
https://www.e-infin.com/uk/common/delivery_details
The implication, at least to me, is that the company ships from HK or wherever and the item goes into their warehouse in the UK. They then post the item to the UK consumer. This then makes E-Infinity the importer. If the company shipped directly from HK to the consumer then the consumer would be the importer.
As it happens I suspect that that E-Infinity do not have a physical warehouse facility in the UK and that this is bogus information.
I looked at their t&c's too and no mention of you are the importer, expected to find it.
So in theory you are not liable for any tax other than the usual vat which I presume in included in the listed price
First one of the Grey suppliers I have come across that claim to be the importer
Even if they have a warehouse in UK doesn't make a difference. They have made it clear in their contacts and T&C as mentioned above that they are a Hong Kong company. They are simply importing items in your behalf whether they do that via. a warehouse or directly to you doesn't make a difference to the tax man.
If s*** hits the fan and you try claiming that, HMRC will just tell you bought from a Hong Kong company with a contact address in Hong Kong. They have no registered UK business, so you are importer and the contact for paying the dues.
For example if you order the package to your work address, they suddenly don't become the importer. You still are.
The fact that E-Infinity do not explicitly state on their website that the consumer is the importer does not, by implication, mean that they, E-Infinity, are the importer. You would have no legal argument on that basis should it come to that.I looked at their t&c's too and no mention of you are the importer, expected to find it.
So in theory you are not liable for any tax other than the usual vat which I presume in included in the listed price
First one of the Grey suppliers I have come across that claim to be the importer
OK, I understand that.
The fact that E-Infinity do not explicitly state on their website that the consumer is the importer does not, by implication, mean that they, E-Infinity, are the importer. You would have no legal argument on that basis should it come to that.
Don't get cross with me. As I stated, I was after clarity and not putting forward an opinion.No it doesn't!
They can say the sky is green and that grass is blue on their website it doesn't make it true.
Nope.
No it doesn't!
They can say the sky is green and that grass is blue on their website it doesn't make it true.
Nope.
Surely its not up to the customer to undertake a due diligence test on everything they buy
I bought ink cartridges from a company that were sent from Switzerland in separate packages
Presumably some tax advantage to this, company advertises as being in the UK, i'm a customer not an investigator
Don't get cross with me. As I stated, I was after clarity and not putting forward an opinion.
Rightly or wrongly it is up to the customer and in this case also the importer to do the due diligence. Claiming ignorance won't work with HMRC. I refer you to the sticky linked above
Surely its not up to the customer to undertake a due diligence test on everything they buy
I bought ink cartridges from a company that were sent from Switzerland in separate packages
Presumably some tax advantage to this, company advertises as being in the UK, i'm a customer not an investigator
Actually it is. Unless you have been purposely misled, which in the case of e-infin they don't, they just withhold the information unless you ask them, they are not under any legal responsibility to provide the information as they are a Chinese company.
Surely its not up to the customer to undertake a due diligence test on everything they buy
I bought ink cartridges from a company that were sent from Switzerland in separate packages
Presumably some tax advantage to this, company advertises as being in the UK, i'm a customer not an investigator